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I'm gonna get flamed for this I know. But does anyone else not like Jack White? I mean, he's a great songwriter, but his live guitar playing makes me cringe... Or did I just catch him on a bad day (Roo '08) and watch bad vids on Youtube? I want to like him, but I just don't.
You are not alone.
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great musician, and I love his attitude towards music, and his creativity. The fact that he wants to be apart of several different bands, and not just do the White Stripes thing is cool (Raconteurs are pretty awesome). I also like what he's doing with his record store here in Nashville trying to get the word out on bands most haven't heard yet. I just don't think he's that great of a guitar player. His fans act like he's Hendrix, Stevie Ray, and Jesus rolled into one. Some were claiming him to be the best guitar player at Bonnaroo last year, when Jeff Beck would make him look like a rookie. I hope he's on the farm this year, because I would definately check him out again, but I haven't been impressed with the few shows so far
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I'd never Leno a person for their opinion of a band or artist.
There are many White Stripes songs that I don't like but many that I love. I'm kind of bummed I never got to see them live. The Raconteurs were great live in '08 and I can' think of one of their songs I dislike. I missed Dead Weather in '10 because I HAD to get to Jeff Beck in time.
I think it's hard to like ALL of Jack White's music because it so diverse. But I respect the hell out of his musical sense and creativity regardless of which band he's leading. I just don't think of him as "just a kick-ass guitar player". His Cold Mountain tracks are beautiful and soulful.
Post by RadioSpirit on Mar 18, 2011 22:00:56 GMT -5
I think a lot of people mistake "Greatest" and "Best".
Jeff Beck would shred circles around Jack, and I think anyone who knows their way around a guitar would agree. But technical proficiency is only one element of greatness. I think many people would say Clapton and Page are both higher on the "All Time Greatest Guitarist" List than Beck, even though I would say Beck is the better instrumentalist of the three.
A lot of it has to do with creativity and accomplishments. Beck never acheived as much as the other two did, Clapton with Cream, Derek & the Dominos, solo, etc. and Page with Zeppelin. Both of them found very unique approaches, and both accomplished a lot, and had a huge impact on music while pushing it forward.
Jack White isn't an amazingly proficient guitarrist. He's no Bombassa, or Steve Vai, Satriani, or Malmsteen, but he doesn't try to be. He's accomplished so much with his original style in The White Stripes, bringing great rock music to this generation, and even after TWS, he continues to build on his legacy, to the point where he definitely deserves a place among the "Greatest Guitarists".
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I think a lot of people mistake "Greatest" and "Best".
Jeff Beck would shred circles around Jack, and I think anyone who knows their way around a guitar would agree. But technical proficiency is only one element of greatness. I think many people would say Clapton and Page are both higher on the "All Time Greatest Guitarist" List than Beck, even though I would say Beck is the better instrumentalist of the three.
A lot of it has to do with creativity and accomplishments. Beck never acheived as much as the other two did, Clapton with Cream, Derek & the Dominos, solo, etc. and Page with Zeppelin. Both of them found very unique approaches, and both accomplished a lot, and had a huge impact on music while pushing it forward.
Jack White isn't an amazingly proficient guitarrist. He's no Bombassa, or Steve Vai, Satriani, or Malmsteen, but he doesn't try to be. He's accomplished so much with his original style in The White Stripes, bringing great rock music to this generation, and even after TWS, he continues to build on his legacy, to the point where he definitely deserves a place among the "Greatest Guitarists".
Yeah, but unfortunately not all JW fans have the same good sense as you do...
Keep in mind that The Yardbirds were a pretty big deal and were definitely quite influential, so Beck isn't just a straight instrumentalist, he's done his time.
Post by RadioSpirit on Mar 19, 2011 15:49:26 GMT -5
Oh, I know. Jeff Beck is certainly one of the greats as well, I fully respect the Yardbirds, and even the Jeff Beck Group. Just saying that it doesn't quite equal up to what Clapton, Page, and arguably White have acheived. Thus, he's the Best of all of them, but the least "Great"
Pitchfork: Where else are you planning on taking the Third Man Rolling Record Store?
Jack White: We want to send it out all the time. We want to send it to Bonnaroo, to car shows, state fairs, to Coachella. We just want to send it everywhere. I went to a couple of hot rod car shows with my son a couple months ago, and it was like, if you had a truck here selling records, if I were here, I'd go up and check it out.
Post by jonnylangs on Mar 22, 2011 10:21:04 GMT -5
I went to Third Man Records in Nashville yesterday, and while we were waiting in line, someone asked the store manager if the Rolling Record Store would be at Bonnaroo. The manager said that they were still trying to work out the logistics of it, but chances seemed pretty good that they would be there.
I think a lot of people mistake "Greatest" and "Best".
Jeff Beck would shred circles around Jack, and I think anyone who knows their way around a guitar would agree. But technical proficiency is only one element of greatness. I think many people would say Clapton and Page are both higher on the "All Time Greatest Guitarist" List than Beck, even though I would say Beck is the better instrumentalist of the three.
A lot of it has to do with creativity and accomplishments. Beck never acheived as much as the other two did, Clapton with Cream, Derek & the Dominos, solo, etc. and Page with Zeppelin. Both of them found very unique approaches, and both accomplished a lot, and had a huge impact on music while pushing it forward.
Jack White isn't an amazingly proficient guitarrist. He's no Bombassa, or Steve Vai, Satriani, or Malmsteen, but he doesn't try to be. He's accomplished so much with his original style in The White Stripes, bringing great rock music to this generation, and even after TWS, he continues to build on his legacy, to the point where he definitely deserves a place among the "Greatest Guitarists".
Sorry, but greatest and best are the same in my book, and for guitar, Jack White is nowhere in sight of that list.
When you say someone is "one of the 10 greatest guitarists of all time", you are implying that he or she is a great guitarist, not a great lyricist, or singer, or producer; you are including them in a group based on their guitar playing, not for any other reason.
IMO, The top ten guitarists of all time looks something like: 1. Stevie Ray Vaughan 2. Eric Clapton 3. Jeff Back 4. BB King 5. Carlos Santana 6. Jimi Hendrix 7. Duane Allman 8. Darrell Abbot 9. Robert Johnson 10. Jimmy Page
That is not my favorite of all time list (which is completely different), but rather, IMO, a list of the most skillful guitarists I have had the opportunity to listen to.
Post by ryanhashton on Mar 22, 2011 12:58:42 GMT -5
cmon now people this isnt a discussion about the greatest guitarists. its about jack white. i think hes goin to be there. roo posted the pic of him showing up at sxsw. i doubt that he will be performing with karen elson, loretta lynn and wanda jackson, but i think he will be performing with at least one of them. who knows, he might just play 3 different sets. its possible
cmon now people this isnt a discussion about the greatest guitarists. its about jack white. i think hes goin to be there. roo posted the pic of him showing up at sxsw. i doubt that he will be performing with karen elson, loretta lynn and wanda jackson, but i think he will be performing with at least one of them. who knows, he might just play 3 different sets. its possible
I think he'd play with Loretta and Wanda..........probably not Karen.
I think a lot of people mistake "Greatest" and "Best".
Jeff Beck would shred circles around Jack, and I think anyone who knows their way around a guitar would agree. But technical proficiency is only one element of greatness. I think many people would say Clapton and Page are both higher on the "All Time Greatest Guitarist" List than Beck, even though I would say Beck is the better instrumentalist of the three.
A lot of it has to do with creativity and accomplishments. Beck never acheived as much as the other two did, Clapton with Cream, Derek & the Dominos, solo, etc. and Page with Zeppelin. Both of them found very unique approaches, and both accomplished a lot, and had a huge impact on music while pushing it forward.
Jack White isn't an amazingly proficient guitarrist. He's no Bombassa, or Steve Vai, Satriani, or Malmsteen, but he doesn't try to be. He's accomplished so much with his original style in The White Stripes, bringing great rock music to this generation, and even after TWS, he continues to build on his legacy, to the point where he definitely deserves a place among the "Greatest Guitarists".
Sorry, but greatest and best are the same in my book, and for guitar, Jack White is nowhere in sight of that list.
When you say someone is "one of the 10 greatest guitarists of all time", you are implying that he or she is a great guitarist, not a great lyricist, or singer, or producer; you are including them in a group based on their guitar playing, not for any other reason.
IMO, The top ten guitarists of all time looks something like: 1. Stevie Ray Vaughan 2. Eric Clapton 3. Jeff Back 4. BB King 5. Carlos Santana 6. Jimi Hendrix 7. Duane Allman 8. Darrell Abbot 9. Robert Johnson 10. Jimmy Page
That is not my favorite of all time list (which is completely different), but rather, IMO, a list of the most skillful guitarists I have had the opportunity to listen to.
I personally can't stand JW and have even performed with guitarist far more "skilled" then he will ever be. But the guy is an innovator and has paved the way for artists like The Black Keys to get the fvck out of the garage and for that I respect...kudos on putting SRV up top where he belongs and remembering to add my man dimebag!
(No Randy Rhoads or Steve Vai....? I'd say they are a tad bit "skilled"... wouldn't you...? Shame, Shame for that....)
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cmon now people this isnt a discussion about the greatest guitarists. its about jack white. i think hes goin to be there. roo posted the pic of him showing up at sxsw. i doubt that he will be performing with karen elson, loretta lynn and wanda jackson, but i think he will be performing with at least one of them. who knows, he might just play 3 different sets. its possible
Gotta agree that this has the potential to hijack this thread. I have no problem discussing great guitarists but maybe that's a Which Stage topic.
I know if Jack White needs a ticket I'd be happy to help him out.
I personally can't stand JW and have even performed with guitarist far more "skilled" then he will ever be. But the guy is an innovator and has paved the way for artists like The Black Keys to get the fvck out of the garage and for that I respect...kudos on putting SRV up top where he belongs and remembering to add my man dimebag!
(No Randy Rhoads or Steve Vai....? I'd say they are a tad bit "skilled"... wouldn't you...? Shame, Shame for that....)
That was my top ten list. Steve Vai would be somewhere around 13th, and Randy Rhoads would be around 17th (just behind Zack Wilde)
Also, Dino Cazares deserves to be mentioned somewhere, I have no idea how he palm mutes that fast.
Back onto the subject of Jack White, I used to hate him, based on how wildly popular the white stripes were (i don't like the white stripes), but now I don't hate him. I kinda liked the Raconteurs, and the new Dead Weather has sorta grown on me, in a strange way. Though, people around here seem to think he is god, and disagreeing with them will just cause an pointless argument. Will he be at bonnaroo? I hope he is, and I hope he conflicts with buffalo springfield... that would thin the crowd at Buffalo Springfield out some.
Sorry, but greatest and best are the same in my book, and for guitar, Jack White is nowhere in sight of that list.
When you say someone is "one of the 10 greatest guitarists of all time", you are implying that he or she is a great guitarist, not a great lyricist, or singer, or producer; you are including them in a group based on their guitar playing, not for any other reason.
IMO, The top ten guitarists of all time looks something like: 1. Stevie Ray Vaughan 2. Eric Clapton 3. Jeff Back 4. BB King 5. Carlos Santana 6. Jimi Hendrix 7. Duane Allman 8. Darrell Abbot 9. Robert Johnson 10. Jimmy Page
That is not my favorite of all time list (which is completely different), but rather, IMO, a list of the most skillful guitarists I have had the opportunity to listen to.
I disagree. First of all with your list, which is all kinds of f*cked up, but I would also argue that most people who list "Greats" aren't just talking about technical skill...even you! Your list is not a list of best players, I mean, Robert Johnson? The guy played blues in the 30's, I'm sure I could find dozens of people on the street that are more technically skilled than him, but Robet Johnson is far greater than they are, just based on the music that he created with that guitar. I mean, Malmsteen and those other guitar virtuosos could shred circles around BB King. They're faster, and could do things that would make his head spins. But there's a reason nobody cares about them, while BB King is heralded, and that's because the music is far more important than "skill". Skill certainly plays a part (just ask Neil Peart, world's greatest drummer), but that's not the definition of "great" and I think your list shows that!
OK, Robert Johnson practically invented the blues guitar sound, an IN MY OPINION, BB King perfected it. Yes, Malmsteen and Petrucci are both high on the list, but I list BB King so high because his guitar by itself is beautiful and soulful. IN MY OPINION, neither Malmsteen, nor Petrucci can play on their own and be truly amazing.
If you argue that Robert Johnson shouldnt be on the list, just consider what blue and rock music would be like without him. Yes, true innovation should always be rewarded, just not as much as technical mastery.
And BTW, IMO, both Danny Carey, and Mike Portnoy could handle Neil Peart, any day of the week.
Post by I LOVE SPICY PIE on Mar 22, 2011 21:57:55 GMT -5
I thought I should come here to defend myself. You praise Robert Johnson for inventing the blues guitar sound and BB King's guitar playing as beautiful and soulful. Your list then, is not based on guitar playing skill but intangibles and other accomplishments.
Post by RadioSpirit on Mar 22, 2011 22:14:23 GMT -5
^Exactly. What Jack said.
He did help invent the Blues sound. That has nothing to do with how well he plays the guitar though. BB King did help perfect it. Neither of those things has anything to do with raw guitar talent though. It's musical creativity. Which is why both are Greater than Malmsteen and Petrucci. To be honest, I think we agree.
You listed a bunch of the greatest guitarists ever, and their greatness isn't based on how fast they can play, or how flawless the play their tunes live. It's based on what they contributed to music through their instrument, the guitar. It's what they used that guitar to create.
Even Eric Clapton has said that Beck is a better guitarist them him, yet he's #2 on your list, because of what he created with that guitar, in addition to how well he plays it. There are prodigies all over Youtube that can play super-complex chord progressions a blinding speeds. They can probably do stuff that some of the guys on your list can't, but none of them will ever be mentioned on a Greatests List
Jack White is far from the most technical guitarist. But technical skill isn't the only way to judge a guitar player. Like a lot of you all said, he is very innovative and very creative. His tone and his style is completely original and unique. Nobody else sounds like him. And nobody has revived the blues like Jack White, since Stevie Ray Vaughan. Long Live the blues, and thanks to Jack White for putting a spark back into the blues. I like how someone managed to fit Dimebag in their top ten. That's cool, I like Dime, but he's far from being in the top 10. I completely disagree with putting SRV before Hendrix. SRV was great, but he got a lot of his style from Albert King and Hendrix. Hendrix's playing was much more original and unique, and his style was much more diverse.
IF Jack White and The Rolling Record Store are confirmed, my next concern would be where and when? Does anyone know if they announced where they were going to be at SXSW or did they just kinda show up randomly and put on a surprise show? If I somehow managed to miss it, I think I would have to punish myself to a year of only eating Jell-o.
Also, I hope he brings Seasick Steve! Dude is seriously rad.
IF Jack White and The Rolling Record Store are confirmed, my next concern would be where and when? Does anyone know if they announced where they were going to be at SXSW or did they just kinda show up randomly and put on a surprise show? If I somehow managed to miss it, I think I would have to punish myself to a year of only eating Jell-o.
Also, I hope he brings Seasick Steve! Dude is seriously rad.
Did I hear Seasick Steve? Hell ya! What makes you think he would bring him? And ya, Jack just showed up at sxsw. It was a surprise show
IF Jack White and The Rolling Record Store are confirmed, my next concern would be where and when? Does anyone know if they announced where they were going to be at SXSW or did they just kinda show up randomly and put on a surprise show? If I somehow managed to miss it, I think I would have to punish myself to a year of only eating Jell-o.
Also, I hope he brings Seasick Steve! Dude is seriously rad.
Did I hear Seasick Steve? Hell ya! What makes you think he would bring him? And ya, Jack just showed up at sxsw. It was a surprise show
Well Seasick Steve was at SXSW with Jack White because he was recently signed onto TMR for a one record deal kind of thing. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
Post by thesonofthesunsson on Apr 10, 2011 20:00:57 GMT -5
Sorry, but greatest and best are the same in my book, and for guitar, Jack White is nowhere in sight of that list.
When you say someone is "one of the 10 greatest guitarists of all time", you are implying that he or she is a great guitarist, not a great lyricist, or singer, or producer; you are including them in a group based on their guitar playing, not for any other reason.
IMO, The top ten guitarists of all time looks something like: 1. Stevie Ray Vaughan 2. Eric Clapton 3. Jeff Back 4. BB King 5. Carlos Santana 6. Jimi Hendrix 7. Duane Allman 8. Darrell Abbot 9. Robert Johnson 10. Jimmy Page
That is not my favorite of all time list (which is completely different), but rather, IMO, a list of the most skillful guitarists I have had the opportunity to listen to.
I disagree. First of all with your list, which is all kinds of f*cked up, but I would also argue that most people who list "Greats" aren't just talking about technical skill...even you! Your list is not a list of best players, I mean, Robert Johnson? The guy played blues in the 30's, I'm sure I could find dozens of people on the street that are more technically skilled than him, but Robet Johnson is far greater than they are, just based on the music that he created with that guitar. I mean, Malmsteen and those other guitar virtuosos could shred circles around BB King. They're faster, and could do things that would make his head spins. But there's a reason nobody cares about them, while BB King is heralded, and that's because the music is far more important than "skill". Skill certainly plays a part (just ask Neil Peart, world's greatest drummer), but that's not the definition of "great" and I think your list shows that! ---------------------------- gonna have to go with the spirit of radio here, in my book it's not about how many notes in a scale you can hit in fifteen seconds. It's all about vision when it comes to playing. It's about how you put your talent together. It's about the emotions you can bring out of someone when they are listening, not trying to show people something they will never be able to do or understand in their lifetime because it suits your ego. Relatability is an underrated factor here. What would you really want to listen to if you had one listen? Not trying to trash any artists here because maybe that's really your favorite and there is nothing wrong with that. Just food for thought in the end.
Post by thesonofthesunsson on Apr 10, 2011 20:04:40 GMT -5
but as for the real topic of this thread has anybody thought about the fact that Wanda Jackson, Loretta L., and his wife are there? Does anyone think there could possibly be a collaboration/guest showing? before you jump all over me that was a heavy dose of sarcasm...