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Again, the only different between the terms "indie" and "jam" is that with "jam" there is at least a common musical thread through all these groups, and that's the penchant for free-form improvisation. Whether you're talking Umphrey's, Galactic, MMW, or SCI, none of those groups sound remotely the same in terms of the style of music they're grounded in (Umphrey's: Rock/Prog, Galactic: Funk/jazz/rock, MMW: jazz, SCI: lightweight bullsh*t fauxgrass), but they each take their songs and stretch them out, improvise, etc. (Also, MMW isn't really a jamband, but whatever.) Meanwhile, the same common musical thread doesn't really extend in what people term "indie" bands. The National sounds nothing like Animal Collective sounds nothing like the Men sounds nothing like Ariel Pink, and there's no commonality among the sound or approach to the craft. It's merely a denotation for bands in semi-overlapping genres who happen to fall outside the reach of what is called "mainstream."
This is a spot-on explanation.
The kind of info that can only come from someone who has very recently had relations with a woman.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
Bummed about the lineup. It reminds me of two years ago - more than half the lineup are artists I've never heard of. Several of the artists near the top of the billing don't seem big enough to belong there or I've already seen/performed with them (Passion Pit, Of Monsters and Men, The XX, Macklemore).
Paul and Em must have similar guarantees!
I've been three years in a row - sad I'm gonna skip this one. See you guys next year, I hope.
I didn't mean to imply that Jimi* never knew Gibbons, but rather that their relationship only encompassed the very beginning of Gibbons' career. That being said, I have my doubts that Hendrix would have legitimately considered Gibbons the best guitar player in the world, albeit Gibbons' early stuff with Moving Sidewalks is way better than most of the cliche, macho, over-the-top shiz he did with ZZ Top.
But why not? Please tell me more about Jimi's* thought process. I've played with guitarist who've never released an album, but I would still consider them some of the best I've ever heard. It's likely Jimi had never encountered a style quite like Billy's before. It's not too far fetched at all.
Did Hendrix prefer Baby Ruth or Mr. Goodbar? Or was it too early in Mr. Goodbar's career to thoroughly enjoy it's flavor?
Idk, maybe it's just hard for me to imagine Hendrix (who is one of my favorite players) giving that much credit to Gibbons. Not that I don't like Billy Gibbons, I think he's a fantastic guitar player, rather, I don't really care for ZZ Top, but that's beside the point. All I meant to say in my first post was that I'm not sure that we can guarantee that that's something Jimi ever actually said, although my opinion may be partially biased by my own mindset and the way I perceive someone none of us have ever actually met. Obviously, we'll never really know what his exact thoughts were, maybe it's pointless to make assumptions at all (although, I'd like to think that Hendrix preferred Baby Ruth's b/c they're way better than Mr. Goodbars <-----that's a fact).
I have seen many of these bands. Like I said before, I give any band a fair shake. I have seen many of those bands live and i thought Mumford and Sons was one of the most boring, listless shows i have seen. And I'm not even saying there isn't a place for that at Bonnaroo... 12-5 is the perfect time for laying in the grass and enjoying the scenery while listening to downtempo crooning. but getting the what stage at 9pm? i would loved to be proven wrong and hope that they bring an (overly used word, but so apt for what headliners should be) epic show to the table. I just don't see the depth of their catalogue as collectively being powerful or getting 100k people to reach something that is greater than the sum of its parts. There is a time and place for cat stevens and joni mitchell, but would you put them on as the welcome mat for a night of frenzied debauchery? there have been plenty of headliners that could have sat back on their laurels and played the hit/s but met the crowds energy, enthusiasm and excitement with an explosive performance rather than just play. The only reason I am singling out indie music is because it is so prevalent in this lineup. If we had 9 different performers playing lullabies on a harp I would be asking the same thing about them. jam bands have one of a kind jams, rock bands get inside you with crisp, visceral sound, EDM concerts connects your eyes to your ears with amazing light shows.... as for "forsaken"... well if I had my druthers: King Crimson, Lettuce, Genesis, soundgarden, Muse, and Black Crowes... just to name a few who are currently touring. I'm not here to argue musical taste with you, but there is an objectivity to a performance. I would never listen to Beyonce in my car, but after that halftime show i would love to see the production live. The point of my original post was just pointing out how i feel as a veteran of Bonnaroo: that our/my demographic is being taken over by a younger crowd that doesn't get it. It's like for 7 years we had this badass orgy and everyone loved every minute of it and now the orgy is being taken over by nuns or people who never had an orgasm. instead of carnal rapture and animalistic hedonism we are holding hands and giving sensual massages. thats all i'm sayin'
You mention that jam bands do this, rock bands do this, edm does this, and so on but you are just painting artist with this broad brush like artist within the same genre play the same way. There are bad rock bands and good ones, there are band jam bands and good ones, there are horrible EDM acts and good ones. It is very unfair and inaccruate to just say that a band is going to be one way simply because of the genre of music they play. I dont particularly like jam bands for the most part but I find Phish and WSP to be relatively boring while I find MMJ to be more tolerable and I actually enjoy Umphreys and STS9 because all those bands are different.
Indie rock is a form of rock music and it is pretty broad. To make an assumption that they dont put on a good live show indicates that you havent seen many, if any of the bands you think are indie. No way could you have seen Portugal. the Man and think they just gently strum their instruments.
I guess my main complaint with your post is grouping all these bands together that have different sounds and automatically assuming they put on a lame live show. Some bands are live lame and some arent. It has nothing to do with genre. Funny you would mention Black Crowes because I saw them in 2006 open for Petty and they came out, played every song verbatim to the album version, didnt talk to the crowd one time and left the stage. It was very much like listening to a CD. Bonnaroo didnt foresake those bands because either they never tried to book them or they are unavailable like Muse being in Europe.
I think many of these indie bands are lacking musical depth and originality. they play GCD and start every song with "heeeeeey ooooooohhhhooo". I can understand WSP and DMB getting headliner spots.... I don't particularly like their music or their shows, but they can rock a line array system. But i'm going to stop there. I don't want to get into a my music is better than yours kind of argument. I am aware that I am in the minority (and that is my whole point) of people who aren't pumped about these indie bands and I think it is great that you have so much to look forward to like I did in 2006/7. PLUR and all that. Just can't help but feel like there is a world of bacon out there and you are like "nah dude, this kale is totes mcgotes".
I think many of these indie bands are lacking musical depth and originality. they play GCD and start every song with "heeeeeey ooooooohhhhooo". I can understand WSP and DMB getting headliner spots.... I don't particularly like their music or their shows, but they can rock a line array system. But i'm going to stop there. I don't want to get into a my music is better than yours kind of argument. I am aware that I am in the minority (and that is my whole point) of people who aren't pumped about these indie bands and I think it is great that you have so much to look forward to like I did in 2006/7. PLUR and all that. Just can't help but feel like there is a world of bacon out there and you are like "nah dude, this kale is totes mcgotes".
All of your posts have basically read like, "I don't want to talk sh*t, but everything you people like is f*cking awful compared to what I like. Different strokes, but you guys are wrong. I like steak au poivre, and you cretins gobble down sun bleached turds." And the whole time you seem blissfully unaware of how hostile you're being.
I think many of these indie bands are lacking musical depth and originality. they play GCD and start every song with "heeeeeey ooooooohhhhooo". I can understand WSP and DMB getting headliner spots.... I don't particularly like their music or their shows, but they can rock a line array system. But i'm going to stop there. I don't want to get into a my music is better than yours kind of argument. I am aware that I am in the minority (and that is my whole point) of people who aren't pumped about these indie bands and I think it is great that you have so much to look forward to like I did in 2006/7. PLUR and all that. Just can't help but feel like there is a world of bacon out there and you are like "nah dude, this kale is totes mcgotes".
All of your posts have basically read like, "I don't want to talk sh*t, but everything you people like is f*cking awful compared to what I like. Different strokes, but you guys are wrong. I like steak au poivre, and you cretins gobble down sun bleached turds." And the whole time you seem blissfully unaware of how hostile you're being.
his/her posts actually read ''i don't know how or why festivals get booked the way they do.''
i admit I was initially upset about the lineup. It was a combination of not knowing much about the undercard and not being able to let 2006 go (greatest lineup ever).
I have since done a 180. Found some new bands I am pumped about, like Tame Impala. BTW John Fullbright is a great lazy morning show. He might be the love child of Arlo Guthrie and Willy Nelson (check out "flower song").
My only objection about this year's lineup is all the Indie rock. I'm not saying you have poor taste for liking M&S, or PTM... but it is just so generic and blah. Don't get me wrong, they have some worthwhile songs... but what do they bring to a live show? what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listening to their CD in your car? I'm not being an ahole here, i am genuinely wondering what the appeal is. At least the Avett Bros put on a show. The Bonnaroo lineup this year just seems like 7-8 Indie Bands that only differ by which way they part their hair or what color their fedora is.
I'm not bitching about it. I just can't help but feel like I am getting bumped out of my demographic by people who are ecstatic about this music and forsaking other bands that actually put on great shows and don't just stand there in a sweater gently strumming a mandolin. It is like talking to your average Fox News watching republican about Ron Paul... you aren't getting it because you have been so inundated with mediocrity. My 2cents
I love how in this post you pointed out how you discovered Tame Impala(an "indie" band) while at the same time bashing the lineup for featuring "indie" bands.
There is a crappy modern genre of music called indie, which includes bands like Foster the People, fun, and Young the Giant. Then there is actually indie music with no unifying sound.
Post by canexplain on Feb 22, 2013 18:16:56 GMT -5
Cut and paste of course ... Just an interview snippet .... cr****
The Lumineers hail from Denver, Colorado. Their soft-folk sound is impossible to dislike an have been favourably compared to bands such as Mumford & Sons and Of Monsters & Men. Their self-titled debut album peaked at No.11 on the US Billboards back in April, and No.13 in Canada. The lead single, the delightful ‘Ho Hey’ peaked at No.1 on both the American alternative and rock charts and they release their debut album in November, 2012.
Post by canexplain on Feb 22, 2013 18:21:56 GMT -5
If one takes Wiki as the new Britannica: Independent music (often shortened to indie music or indie) is music produced independently from major commercial record labels or their subsidiaries, a process that may include an autonomous, Do-It-Yourself approach to recording and publishing. The term indie is sometimes also used to describe a genre (such as indie rock or indie pop); as a genre term, "indie" may include music that is not independently produced, and most independent music artists do not fall into a single, defined musical style or genre and usually create music that can be categorized into other genres.
Cut and paste of course ... Just an interview snippet .... cr****
The Lumineers hail from Denver, Colorado. Their soft-folk sound is impossible to dislike an have been favourably compared to bands such as Mumford & Sons and Of Monsters & Men. Their self-titled debut album peaked at No.11 on the US Billboards back in April, and No.13 in Canada. The lead single, the delightful ‘Ho Hey’ peaked at No.1 on both the American alternative and rock charts and they release their debut album in November, 2012.
This timeline makes no sense. "Their self-titled debut album peaked at No.11 on the US Billboards back in April" but "they release their debut album in November, 2012." Is it being released via TARDIS?
i admit I was initially upset about the lineup. It was a combination of not knowing much about the undercard and not being able to let 2006 go (greatest lineup ever).
I have since done a 180. Found some new bands I am pumped about, like Tame Impala. BTW John Fullbright is a great lazy morning show. He might be the love child of Arlo Guthrie and Willy Nelson (check out "flower song").
My only objection about this year's lineup is all the Indie rock. I'm not saying you have poor taste for liking M&S, or PTM... but it is just so generic and blah. Don't get me wrong, they have some worthwhile songs... but what do they bring to a live show? what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listening to their CD in your car? I'm not being an ahole here, i am genuinely wondering what the appeal is. At least the Avett Bros put on a show. The Bonnaroo lineup this year just seems like 7-8 Indie Bands that only differ by which way they part their hair or what color their fedora is.
I'm not bitching about it. I just can't help but feel like I am getting bumped out of my demographic by people who are ecstatic about this music and forsaking other bands that actually put on great shows and don't just stand there in a sweater gently strumming a mandolin. It is like talking to your average Fox News watching republican about Ron Paul... you aren't getting it because you have been so inundated with mediocrity. My 2cents
I love how in this post you pointed out how you discovered Tame Impala(an "indie" band) while at the same time bashing the lineup for featuring "indie" bands.
Maybe indie wasn't the right word since there seems to be no real consensus on what that means. I don't see how Tame Impala could be considered indie but maybe that is the source of this semantic derailing. If tame impala is indie, then so are the flaming lips and the psychedelic beatles stuff. there are some (of what i consider) indie bands that i like, like the avett bros, and the decemberists... and i can make an easy distinction between which band would make a better fit for headliner. in fact, i like the decemberists (crane wife) more than the avett bros but i would still say wtf if the decemberists got a headliner spot (as should everyone else). ok, maybe i did bash some of your tastes a little, but being hostile? really? I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root". mumford is a decent band and i listen to them on occasion. they have explored originality to some extent and as a PERSONAL OPINION i find many of these other acts to contribute little to nothing in terms of musical diversity, which is the bedrock of what bonnaroo is. just seems a little heavy on that genre. I would be saying the same thing if we had string cheese, wsp, phish, keller williams, leftover salmon, moe, tea leaf green etc etc. all in the same lineup.
I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root".
I'm ignorant on this topic so can you explain what three chords these bands play and point out some specific songs from both acts that are similar? I don't know much about either but have seen people bring up the "They play the same # of chords as these other bands" and being less knowledgeable about the actual playing of music I think it'd help me if the complaints were a little more specific. So which songs are you referring to that sound the same or use the same chords or whatever?