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I love how in this post you pointed out how you discovered Tame Impala(an "indie" band) while at the same time bashing the lineup for featuring "indie" bands.
Maybe indie wasn't the right word since there seems to be no real consensus on what that means. I don't see how Tame Impala could be considered indie but maybe that is the source of this semantic derailing. If tame impala is indie, then so are the flaming lips and the psychedelic beatles stuff. there are some (of what i consider) indie bands that i like, like the avett bros, and the decemberists... and i can make an easy distinction between which band would make a better fit for headliner. in fact, i like the decemberists (crane wife) more than the avett bros but i would still say wtf if the decemberists got a headliner spot (as should everyone else). ok, maybe i did bash some of your tastes a little, but being hostile? really? I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root". mumford is a decent band and i listen to them on occasion. they have explored originality to some extent and as a PERSONAL OPINION i find many of these other acts to contribute little to nothing in terms of musical diversity, which is the bedrock of what bonnaroo is. just seems a little heavy on that genre. I would be saying the same thing if we had string cheese, wsp, phish, keller williams, leftover salmon, moe, tea leaf green etc etc. all in the same lineup.
For the 1,000,000 time, the term "indie" has nothing to do with the sound or style of the music.
Also, a lot of people do consider Flaming Lips "indie."
I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root".
I'm ignorant on this topic so can you explain what three chords these bands play and point out some specific songs from both acts that are similar? I don't know much about either but have seen people bring up the "They play the same # of chords as these other bands" and being less knowledgeable about the actual playing of music I think it'd help me if the complaints were a little more specific. So which songs are you referring to that sound the same or use the same chords or whatever?
I think he needs to get his ears checked. The National and the Lumineers sound nothing alike.
ok, maybe i did bash some of your tastes a little, but being hostile? really? I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root".
I have a hard time differentiating between Muse and a bunch of ADHD teens covering Queen (poorly) at a Guitar Center, but I don't go around calling their fans uptight nuns, Fox News Republicans, and plant-eating sissies. Which is how you've ended three of your posts in this topic.
I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root".
I'm ignorant on this topic so can you explain what three chords these bands play and point out some specific songs from both acts that are similar? I don't know much about either but have seen people bring up the "They play the same # of chords as these other bands" and being less knowledgeable about the actual playing of music I think it'd help me if the complaints were a little more specific. So which songs are you referring to that sound the same or use the same chords or whatever?
Edit: Some chord progression are pleasing to the ear and used often in popular music; some people believe that implementing oft-used chord progressions is indicative of a lack of musicianship.
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I'm ignorant on this topic so can you explain what three chords these bands play and point out some specific songs from both acts that are similar? I don't know much about either but have seen people bring up the "They play the same # of chords as these other bands" and being less knowledgeable about the actual playing of music I think it'd help me if the complaints were a little more specific. So which songs are you referring to that sound the same or use the same chords or whatever?
I think he needs to get his ears checked. The National and the Lumineers sound nothing alike.
Really what I'd like to see from people who complain is more specifics. Like it's easy to say "These bands all sound the same" or "They are just copying this act" but if you provide some evidence like videos or song titles then I think that helps make the complaint more valid (at least for the people who haven't heard a ton of songs from all the bands). If they can't back the complaint up with evidence then it usually means the just dislike the band for reasons other than the actual music.
I love how in this post you pointed out how you discovered Tame Impala(an "indie" band) while at the same time bashing the lineup for featuring "indie" bands.
Maybe indie wasn't the right word since there seems to be no real consensus on what that means. I don't see how Tame Impala could be considered indie but maybe that is the source of this semantic derailing. If tame impala is indie, then so are the flaming lips and the psychedelic beatles stuff. there are some (of what i consider) indie bands that i like, like the avett bros, and the decemberists... and i can make an easy distinction between which band would make a better fit for headliner. in fact, i like the decemberists (crane wife) more than the avett bros but i would still say wtf if the decemberists got a headliner spot (as should everyone else). ok, maybe i did bash some of your tastes a little, but being hostile? really? I guess maybe i should have said "I have a hard time differentiating between the national and the lumineers because they sound like a lot of other bands that play three chords and sing with the root". mumford is a decent band and i listen to them on occasion. they have explored originality to some extent and as a PERSONAL OPINION i find many of these other acts to contribute little to nothing in terms of musical diversity, which is the bedrock of what bonnaroo is. just seems a little heavy on that genre. I would be saying the same thing if we had string cheese, wsp, phish, keller williams, leftover salmon, moe, tea leaf green etc etc. all in the same lineup.
Dude seriously? Cut it out with this "3 chord" BS. You're trying to sound all high and mighty like you've mastered music theory, while these bands are just poser beginners (which admittedly some are). Most of these "indie" bands do a lot more than play the same three chords, and even if they do, I'm sure they do it a hell of a lot better than you ever will.
And if you can't tell the difference between the Lumineers and the National, then you in all seriousness need to get your hearing checked.
I think he needs to get his ears checked. The National and the Lumineers sound nothing alike.
Really what I'd like to see from people who complain is more specifics. Like it's easy to say "These bands all sound the same" or "They are just copying this act" but if you provide some evidence like videos or song titles then I think that helps make the complaint more valid (at least for the people who haven't heard a ton of songs from all the bands). If they can't back the complaint up with evidence then it usually means the just dislike the band for reasons other than the actual music.
so you want something like this? a side by side comparison of similarity? link
and if i do this for you, will a point be proven are are we going to delve deeper into semantics? I just want to know what is on the line here. might take me some time to edit songs together because i'm not crazy savvy on that stuff, but i will do it as long as we aren't going to split hairs over insignificant stuff.
Really what I'd like to see from people who complain is more specifics. Like it's easy to say "These bands all sound the same" or "They are just copying this act" but if you provide some evidence like videos or song titles then I think that helps make the complaint more valid (at least for the people who haven't heard a ton of songs from all the bands). If they can't back the complaint up with evidence then it usually means the just dislike the band for reasons other than the actual music.
so you want something like this? a side by side comparison of similarity? link
and if i do this for you, will a point be proven are are we going to delve deeper into semantics? I just want to know what is on the line here. might take me some time to edit songs together because i'm not crazy savvy on that stuff, but i will do it as long as we aren't going to split hairs over insignificant stuff.
I'm not going to lie to you, if you do it we're all just going to tell you they sound nothing alike and that you're a moron. Your time would be better spent playing in traffic.
The Lumineers and The National sound extremely different (while few could miss that catchy Lumineers tune on the radio every 5 minutes, I only recently purchased albums from both the Lumineers and The National and...yeah, very different).
Moreover, this whole "they only play G, F, and D chords" argument is tired, and more or less a red herring. Lots of bands only use a few chords or chord progressions. While it's perhaps true that a band using only the same 3 chords (A, E and D if you're a blues or rock fan) can begin to sound repetitive, literally thousands of different bands and musicians have 'arranged' and 'composed' those same chords, or parts thereof, into music that, to the untrained ear, sounds extremely diverse.
Oh, one more thing: if a band uses only say, 3 chords, to form a song (Ho, Hey by the Lumineers is actually 2 chords if you don't count the break), it doesn't make their music simple, lacking in depth, or bereft of good musicianship. Put another way, the number of chords used per song or album is not directly proportional to quality of music therein.
Really what I'd like to see from people who complain is more specifics. Like it's easy to say "These bands all sound the same" or "They are just copying this act" but if you provide some evidence like videos or song titles then I think that helps make the complaint more valid (at least for the people who haven't heard a ton of songs from all the bands). If they can't back the complaint up with evidence then it usually means the just dislike the band for reasons other than the actual music.
so you want something like this? a side by side comparison of similarity? link
and if i do this for you, will a point be proven are are we going to delve deeper into semantics? I just want to know what is on the line here. might take me some time to edit songs together because i'm not crazy savvy on that stuff, but i will do it as long as we aren't going to split hairs over insignificant stuff.
Really what I'd like to see from people who complain is more specifics. Like it's easy to say "These bands all sound the same" or "They are just copying this act" but if you provide some evidence like videos or song titles then I think that helps make the complaint more valid (at least for the people who haven't heard a ton of songs from all the bands). If they can't back the complaint up with evidence then it usually means the just dislike the band for reasons other than the actual music.
so you want something like this? a side by side comparison of similarity? link
and if i do this for you, will a point be proven are are we going to delve deeper into semantics? I just want to know what is on the line here. might take me some time to edit songs together because i'm not crazy savvy on that stuff, but i will do it as long as we aren't going to split hairs over insignificant stuff.
So your evidence that all indie bands sound the same is to post a Nickelback video? Not sure if you realize this, but I don't think many of us would consider Nickelback "indie." What else ya got, champ?
Cut and paste of course ... Just an interview snippet .... cr****
The Lumineers hail from Denver, Colorado. Their soft-folk sound is impossible to dislike an have been favourably compared to bands such as Mumford & Sons and Of Monsters & Men. Their self-titled debut album peaked at No.11 on the US Billboards back in April, and No.13 in Canada. The lead single, the delightful ‘Ho Hey’ peaked at No.1 on both the American alternative and rock charts and they release their debut album in November, 2012.
This timeline makes no sense. "Their self-titled debut album peaked at No.11 on the US Billboards back in April" but "they release their debut album in November, 2012." Is it being released via TARDIS?
There is nothin wrong with not liking the lumineers or the national. Just dont bash them or their fans. I have just heard of both on Tuesday and my initial reaction is meh. I'm sure there will be something for everyone at all hours. I don't care for Mumford either. But I'm not going to bash all three. I'm just going to find some music I do like. No sweat. I mean a lot of people don't care for petty or zz top. I like those bands.
I've never heard of any these acts prior to the lineup drop. Any of these good?
Zigaboo Modeliste Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Glen Hansard Sam Bush & Del McCoury Porter Robinson Noam Pikelny Walk the Moon Paper Diamond Mike Birbiglia Frank Turner Allen Stone Fotoumata Diawara John Full bright Clockwork Milo Greene Drew Holcomb JD McPherson Trixie Whitley Deap Vally Patrick Watson Nicki Bluhm Aoife O'Donovan Bernhoft
Sam Bush & Del McCoury is, for me anyway, a show I absolutely will not miss. Walk the Moon is pretty cool, and Macklemore...I must admit his stuff is catchy.
I've never heard of any these acts prior to the lineup drop. Any of these good?
Zigaboo Modeliste Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Glen Hansard Sam Bush & Del McCoury Porter Robinson Noam Pikelny Walk the Moon Paper Diamond Mike Birbiglia Frank Turner Allen Stone Fotoumata Diawara John Full bright Clockwork Milo Greene Drew Holcomb JD McPherson Trixie Whitley Deap Vally Patrick Watson Nicki Bluhm Aoife O'Donovan Bernhoft
Zigboo is the drummer for The Meters. They are awesome.
Paper Diamond's music is available for free here soundcloud.com/paperdiamond He is on Pretty Light's label if that gives you an idea what he is like.
Mike Birbiglia is a comedian and I think he is very funny. Some might find his humor corny but that's up to you. He has a movie that he wrote with Ira Glass on Netflix Instant called Sleepwalk With Me.
Sam Bush and Del McCoury are awesome if you like bluegrass. If not, stay away.
You should listen to Macklemore if for no other reason than he is very popular and very divisive. His famous one is called Thrift Shop.
Zigboo is the drummer for The Meters. They are awesome.
Paper Diamond's music is available for free here soundcloud.com/paperdiamond He is on Pretty Light's label if that gives you an idea what he is like.
Mike Birbiglia is a comedian and I think he is very funny. Some might find his humor corny but that's up to you. He has a movie that he wrote with Ira Glass on Netflix Instant called Sleepwalk With Me.
Sam Bush and Del McCoury are awesome if you like bluegrass. If not, stay away.
You should listen to Macklemore if for no other reason than he is very popular and very divisive. His famous one is called Thrift Shop.
He plays a lot of dubstep because the dubstep remixes of his songs are more popular than his original versions lol. I'm not a huge fan of his, and yeah I'd consider his albums progressive house.