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Post by Auston City Limits on Feb 22, 2013 10:44:53 GMT -5
These people who say all indie bands sound the same have clearly never listened to any of the albums by any of these bands. PTM, Mumford, Passion Pit, and National all sound completely different from each other for example
I'm not so knowledgeable on Indie, but I think it indicates a grassroots approach independent of major labels and corporate influences.
That says nothing about the music, though. Jam bands are united by an interest in improvisation, extended soloing, and displays of musicianship. That directly relates to how the music sounds and is experienced.
Rock went mainstream so then there was alternative. Alternative went mainstream so then there was indie. Indie went mainstream so then there was ________.
I'm not so knowledgeable on Indie, but I think it indicates a grassroots approach independent of major labels and corporate influences.
That says nothing about the music, though. Jam bands are united by an interest in improvisation, extended soloing, and displays of musicianship. That directly relates to how the music sounds and is experienced.
That's my point. An indie band or a jam band does denote certain ways about how they approach their performances but doesn't indicate anything about genre. There are jam bands that play rock(Gov't Mule), funk(Galactic), bluegrass(Yonder Mountain), etc. The same can be said about indie bands.
That says nothing about the music, though. Jam bands are united by an interest in improvisation, extended soloing, and displays of musicianship. That directly relates to how the music sounds and is experienced.
That's my point. An indie band or a jam band does denote certain ways about how they approach their performances but doesn't indicate anything about genre. There are jam bands that play rock(Gov't Mule), funk(Galactic), bluegrass(Yonder Mountain), etc. The same can be said about indie bands.
Again, I would say that indie says absolutely nothing about how a band approaches performances, while jam does, but we can agree to disagree on that. I originally thought you were supporting that makelovenotwarts loon and his "too much indie" nonsense, but I get that you're just saying neither term means much.
So, because a band is indie rock, they do not put on a great show and it is no different than listening to a CD? You're painting a broad brush over a lot of bands with no real basis for it. How many of the "indie bands" on the line-up have you seen live or even listen to other than a song or three?
You asked, "what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listen to their CD in your car?" Couldnt you ask that question about any music act on the planet? Why single out indie rock like it is somehow unique? Does playing indie rock somehow magically make you sound alike on both albums and live?
I havent seen Mumford and Sons live but I have watched some live performances on Youtube and I watched their Showtime special and it appears to me that they put on amazing show. They play with energy and seem to really enjoy being on stage. On top of that, they are amazing muscians which if you enjoy music, that should be a treat to watch. I most certainly wouldnt call how they play their instruments as gentle strumming. I am not sure how say the Avett Brothers put on a show and them imply that M&S is somehow boring. I've watched performances of both and they seem to play with similar energy.
I assume that PTM is Portugal. the Man? I have seen them live and they put on an amazing show. I saw them last year and it was one of the best shows I have seen in the last 2 or 3 years. Their live versions of their songs are better than their album versions, they performed a couple of covers and they were only suppose to play for like 90 minutes and kept playing for over 2 hours and had the venue rocking the entire time.
I assume by indie bands that you are talking about M&S, the Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men, Edward Sharpe, Portugal. the Man and some others? I am not sure how you can say that the only difference between them is the way they dress. They all have different sounds and Portugal. the Man is definitely much different than the other four. They dont play folk at all and I would call them alternative or psychedelic rock versus indie rock.
What bands are you talking about that have been "forsaken"? Can you provide some examples? What makes their shows so great and the indie bands you mention, boring?
I have seen many of these bands. Like I said before, I give any band a fair shake. I have seen many of those bands live and i thought Mumford and Sons was one of the most boring, listless shows i have seen. And I'm not even saying there isn't a place for that at Bonnaroo... 12-5 is the perfect time for laying in the grass and enjoying the scenery while listening to downtempo crooning. but getting the what stage at 9pm? i would loved to be proven wrong and hope that they bring an (overly used word, but so apt for what headliners should be) epic show to the table. I just don't see the depth of their catalogue as collectively being powerful or getting 100k people to reach something that is greater than the sum of its parts. There is a time and place for cat stevens and joni mitchell, but would you put them on as the welcome mat for a night of frenzied debauchery? there have been plenty of headliners that could have sat back on their laurels and played the hit/s but met the crowds energy, enthusiasm and excitement with an explosive performance rather than just play. The only reason I am singling out indie music is because it is so prevalent in this lineup. If we had 9 different performers playing lullabies on a harp I would be asking the same thing about them. jam bands have one of a kind jams, rock bands get inside you with crisp, visceral sound, EDM concerts connects your eyes to your ears with amazing light shows.... as for "forsaken"... well if I had my druthers: King Crimson, Lettuce, Genesis, soundgarden, Muse, and Black Crowes... just to name a few who are currently touring. I'm not here to argue musical taste with you, but there is an objectivity to a performance. I would never listen to Beyonce in my car, but after that halftime show i would love to see the production live. The point of my original post was just pointing out how i feel as a veteran of Bonnaroo: that our/my demographic is being taken over by a younger crowd that doesn't get it. It's like for 7 years we had this badass orgy and everyone loved every minute of it and now the orgy is being taken over by nuns or people who never had an orgasm. instead of carnal rapture and animalistic hedonism we are holding hands and giving sensual massages. thats all i'm sayin'
You mention that jam bands do this, rock bands do this, edm does this, and so on but you are just painting artist with this broad brush like artist within the same genre play the same way. There are bad rock bands and good ones, there are band jam bands and good ones, there are horrible EDM acts and good ones. It is very unfair and inaccruate to just say that a band is going to be one way simply because of the genre of music they play. I dont particularly like jam bands for the most part but I find Phish and WSP to be relatively boring while I find MMJ to be more tolerable and I actually enjoy Umphreys and STS9 because all those bands are different.
Indie rock is a form of rock music and it is pretty broad. To make an assumption that they dont put on a good live show indicates that you havent seen many, if any of the bands you think are indie. No way could you have seen Portugal. the Man and think they just gently strum their instruments.
I guess my main complaint with your post is grouping all these bands together that have different sounds and automatically assuming they put on a lame live show. Some bands are live lame and some arent. It has nothing to do with genre. Funny you would mention Black Crowes because I saw them in 2006 open for Petty and they came out, played every song verbatim to the album version, didnt talk to the crowd one time and left the stage. It was very much like listening to a CD. Bonnaroo didnt foresake those bands because either they never tried to book them or they are unavailable like Muse being in Europe.
Turtles are, actually quite sexy, if you think about it. I’m getting an erection just thinking about turtles. No, not a stripper named turtles, that’s not funny. Actual turtles.
—?Thom Yorke
Dude, it's already odd enough that you recently decided to adopt Stefon for your avatar but can you please stop posting variations of this joke every day or so? Diminishing returns.
Sorry, thought we had a thing going.
Sorry. I was being pretty bitchy last night. I shouldn't have taken it out on you.
No, no. You've got it all wrong. Bonnaroo can book any band that's ever played, ever, they just choose not to. Things like whether a band is committed elsewhere at the time of the festival (either on its own tour or at a competing festival event), or if that band isn't even actively playing music really have no bearing on if they play or not. It's all the mad geniuses at AC/Superfly booking or not booking bands to make you upset. They could have booked a top ten of David Bowie, Daft Punk, Furthur with special guests Phish, Muse, the Rolling Stones (acoustic Solar Stage set), Jay-Z featuring the Roots with special guests Phish, Jim James Directs the New York Symphony Orchestra, the Talking Heads, The Original Clash featuring Re-Animated Corpses of Dead People, plus sh*tty bands like Soundgarden and the Black Crowes for some reason. They could have done that, because money and planez and time travel and corpse re-animation technology. But they didn't just to piss you people off.
If the Capp Dogg was still around he'd tell you people how it is, but the SPINELESS FACISTS that run this board gave him the boot.
It always cracks me up when people say, "I cant believe they didnt book so and so!". People completely ignore all the logistics that go into booking bands such as availablity, their current status (touring versus inactive versus recording), the cost, and other factors. It never ends.
Turtles are, actually quite sexy, if you think about it. I’m getting an erection just thinking about turtles. No, not a stripper named turtles, that’s not funny. Actual turtles.
—?Thom Yorke
I hate to burst your bubble, but that quote is inaccurate. It's constantly thrown around/modified with various guitarists names in it. If Hendrix ever said something like that (which is questionable) signs show he likely said it about Rory Gallagher. Not to mention ZZ Top's debut album didn't come out until almost a year after Jimi died (RIP). (side note: I hope Hendrix had enough self confidence to know he was better than Billy Gibbons)
BTW, your avatar is awesome.
Hey, new guy. Jimmy definitely knew Gibbons. Not from ZZ Top, it was from his first band Moving Sidewalks who opened for one of his American tours. Hendrix even gave Billy a Stratocaster. He was well aware of Billy's existence and his playing. So yeah, Quack your bubble. Do more research.
BTW, thanks.
I didn't mean to imply that Jimi* never knew Gibbons, but rather that their relationship only encompassed the very beginning of Gibbons' career. That being said, I have my doubts that Hendrix would have legitimately considered Gibbons the best guitar player in the world, albeit Gibbons' early stuff with Moving Sidewalks is way better than most of the cliche, macho, over-the-top shit he did with ZZ Top.
Hey, new guy. Jimmy definitely knew Gibbons. Not from ZZ Top, it was from his first band Moving Sidewalks who opened for one of his American tours. Hendrix even gave Billy a Stratocaster. He was well aware of Billy's existence and his playing. So yeah, Quack your bubble. Do more research.
BTW, thanks.
I didn't mean to imply that Jimi* never knew Gibbons, but rather that their relationship only encompassed the very beginning of Gibbons' career. That being said, I have my doubts that Hendrix would have legitimately considered Gibbons the best guitar player in the world, albeit Gibbons' early stuff with Moving Sidewalks is way better than most of the cliche, macho, over-the-top shiz he did with ZZ Top.
But why not? Please tell me more about Jimi's* thought process. I've played with guitarist who've never released an album, but I would still consider them some of the best I've ever heard. It's likely Jimi had never encountered a style quite like Billy's before. It's not too far fetched at all.
Did Hendrix prefer Baby Ruth or Mr. Goodbar? Or was it too early in Mr. Goodbar's career to thoroughly enjoy it's flavor?
Post by frankblack on Feb 22, 2013 14:41:12 GMT -5
zz top is what we're bitching about now? who cares? complaining about an act that isn't going to play unopposed is like kicking your girl on the side because she's on her period.
zz top is what we're bitching about now? who cares? complaining about an act that isn't going to play unopposed is like kicking your girl on the side because she's on her period.