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i admit I was initially upset about the lineup. It was a combination of not knowing much about the undercard and not being able to let 2006 go (greatest lineup ever).
I have since done a 180. Found some new bands I am pumped about, like Tame Impala. BTW John Fullbright is a great lazy morning show. He might be the love child of Arlo Guthrie and Willy Nelson (check out "flower song").
My only objection about this year's lineup is all the Indie rock. I'm not saying you have poor taste for liking M&S, or PTM... but it is just so generic and blah. Don't get me wrong, they have some worthwhile songs... but what do they bring to a live show? what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listening to their CD in your car? I'm not being an ahole here, i am genuinely wondering what the appeal is. At least the Avett Bros put on a show. The Bonnaroo lineup this year just seems like 7-8 Indie Bands that only differ by which way they part their hair or what color their fedora is.
I'm not bitching about it. I just can't help but feel like I am getting bumped out of my demographic by people who are ecstatic about this music and forsaking other bands that actually put on great shows and don't just stand there in a sweater gently strumming a mandolin. It is like talking to your average Fox News watching republican about Ron Paul... you aren't getting it because you have been so inundated with mediocrity. My 2cents
Strongly agreed on your Ron Paul point, but I don't consider Mumford & Sons to be indie rock. Besides, there are much worse things on top 40 radio than them. It's never a bad thing when the masses flock to something that is at least decent.
I give bands a fair shake. I was at Mumfords show last year and fell asleep. I can go on and on about how wrong i was about Jay-Z, because it was such a phenomenal show. Can you please explain to this old man what is so appealing about 4 Mr. Rogers not moving at all on stage?
I don't like Mumford, either. But I REALLY don't like the suggestion that everyone who enjoys non-jam bands is comparable to a Fox News Republican.
Post by iforgotmyname3 on Feb 21, 2013 22:47:32 GMT -5
If the Bonnaroo lineup adds count for any type of evidence at all, it seems that Bjork is billed too high. I'd bump her down a couple at least. I mean I understand she's a big world act and all, but I think Wilco and Pretty Lights should be ahead at least. I think it would make the "wtf, Bjork?' people feel better and the "hell yeah Bjork!" people fine with that.
If the Bonnaroo lineup adds count for any type of evidence at all, it seems that Bjork is billed too high. I'd bump her down a couple at least. I mean I understand she's a big world act and all, but I think Wilco and Pretty Lights should be ahead at least. I think it would make the "wtf, Bjork?' people feel better and the "hell yeah Bjork!" people fine with that.
I think she is billed properly, but the add count did convince me that she's not getting a LN What. It will be LN Which Stage on whichever night Pretty Lights isn't.
Also the answer to the question in the thread "greatest guitar player at bonnaroo" can simply be answered by Jimi Hemdrix himself.
An interviewer once asked Hendrix, "what's it like to be the greatest guitar player in the world?" His answer: "Go ask Billy Gibbons".
I hate to burst your bubble, but that quote is inaccurate. It's constantly thrown around/modified with various guitarists names in it. If Hendrix ever said something like that (which is questionable) signs show he likely said it about Rory Gallagher. Not to mention ZZ Top's debut album didn't come out until almost a year after Jimi died (RIP). (side note: I hope Hendrix had enough self confidence to know he was better than Billy Gibbons)
I give bands a fair shake. I was at Mumfords show last year and fell asleep. I can go on and on about how wrong i was about Jay-Z, because it was such a phenomenal show. Can you please explain to this old man what is so appealing about 4 Mr. Rogers not moving at all on stage?
Is moving around a bunch on stage now required for a good live show?
Tennessee's hottest music festival is Bonnaroo! Nightlife designer Ashley Capps is back with the all new lineup that answers the question, “HUHHH?"
Don’t look for security staff, there isn’t one. Instead, Centeroo is guarded by ten jacked homeless guys in old fashioned bathing suits.And inside is just sick: ice sculpture, winos, Gurmfs (German Smurfs), a teddy ruxpin wearing mascara, an old lady with kitten play-hair, and on the yet-to-be-announced EDM stage, none other than DJ Baby Bok Choy… He’s a giant 300 lbs Chinese baby who wears tinted aviator glasses and he spins records with his little ravioli hands.
Dude, it's already odd enough that you recently decided to adopt Stefon for your avatar but can you please stop posting variations of this joke every day or so? Diminishing returns.
I give bands a fair shake. I was at Mumfords show last year and fell asleep. I can go on and on about how wrong i was about Jay-Z, because it was such a phenomenal show. Can you please explain to this old man what is so appealing about 4 Mr. Rogers not moving at all on stage?
Is moving around a bunch on stage now required for a good live show?
no, it isn't. Richard D James sits in a recliner, but he puts on a good show. Just something that makes it better than listening to the CD in your car. Yeah the music is the most important thing, but this is Bonnaroo. the bar is being raised. I don't expect everyone to do what Beck did, or what flaming lips does, but put on some sort of show.
I give bands a fair shake. I was at Mumfords show last year and fell asleep. I can go on and on about how wrong i was about Jay-Z, because it was such a phenomenal show. Can you please explain to this old man what is so appealing about 4 Mr. Rogers not moving at all on stage?
Is moving around a bunch on stage now required for a good live show?
Just when you thought Lady GaGa couldn’t get any weirder she’s only gone and announced that she fancies having a load of dead people on stage with her.
The oddball has contacted body-preserving scientist Gunther Von Hagens in the hope of blagging him into letting her borrow a couple of his corpses because she’s so fascinated by his Body Worlds exhibition.
ZZ Top Late Night in the Alice Cooper slot. Suck it world!!
I think you're right, but I hope you're wrong. I'd like to see ZZTop again and a late night slot will have to many conflicts. I'm still sad I had to miss Superjam last year because of the conflict with Alice.
Late night or during the day, I see them conflicting with someone I want to see the way the line-up looks like this year.
I just hope we get Billy Gibbons sitting in with Gov't Mule.
Warren Haynes loves collaborating with people. In '07 late night alone he played with michael franti, bob weir, john paul jones, and Luther dickinson. And had lewis black come tell a joke. I could easily see Billy Gibbons sitting in for a few tunes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Billy Gibbons sat in on Broke Down On The Brazos in the studio.
I think you're on to something!
Which brings me to a separate question... Has Mule ever played the main stage? Roo always seems to make an effort to get Roo vets on the main stage eventually... I could see Mule, Trombone Shorty, Preservation Hall, and the National all up there this year.
If the Bonnaroo lineup adds count for any type of evidence at all, it seems that Bjork is billed too high. I'd bump her down a couple at least. I mean I understand she's a big world act and all, but I think Wilco and Pretty Lights should be ahead at least. I think it would make the "wtf, Bjork?' people feel better and the "hell yeah Bjork!" people fine with that.
I think she is billed properly, but the add count did convince me that she's not getting a LN What. It will be LN Which Stage on whichever night Pretty Lights isn't.
I agree she is properly billed. The thing that makes her a big grab is that she doesn't tour that often and really doesn't play that states that often. If you look at where she has played the last 10 years and change you will notice that. I also think she can go either way as far the stages go. I think it depends more on her setup and if it is in her contract to play the Which stage,
Warren Haynes loves collaborating with people. In '07 late night alone he played with michael franti, bob weir, john paul jones, and Luther dickinson. And had lewis black come tell a joke. I could easily see Billy Gibbons sitting in for a few tunes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Billy Gibbons sat in on Broke Down On The Brazos in the studio.
I think you're on to something!
Which brings me to a separate question... Has Mule ever played the main stage? Roo always seems to make an effort to get Roo vets on the main stage eventually... I could see Mule, Trombone Shorty, Preservation Hall, and the National all up there this year.
From a Warren Haynes interview with Billboard: That was the last song we wrote and recorded for the CD, and when we listened back to it we thought, "Wow, it's kinda got an old school, early-ZZ Top vibe about it." We sent him the track and he loved it. I flew to L.A. and sat in a room with Billy, and we overdubbed our guitars at the same time because I wanted us to be staring each other in the face when we did it. He was so amazing and added so much to the track that it's hard to think of it without him now.
My only objection about this year's lineup is all the Indie rock. I'm not saying you have poor taste for liking M&S, or PTM... but it is just so generic and blah. Don't get me wrong, they have some worthwhile songs... but what do they bring to a live show? what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listening to their CD in your car? I'm not being an ahole here, i am genuinely wondering what the appeal is. At least the Avett Bros put on a show. The Bonnaroo lineup this year just seems like 7-8 Indie Bands that only differ by which way they part their hair or what color their fedora is.
I'm not bitching about it. I just can't help but feel like I am getting bumped out of my demographic by people who are ecstatic about this music and forsaking other bands that actually put on great shows and don't just stand there in a sweater gently strumming a mandolin. It is like talking to your average Fox News watching republican about Ron Paul... you aren't getting it because you have been so inundated with mediocrity. My 2cents
So, because a band is indie rock, they do not put on a great show and it is no different than listening to a CD? You're painting a broad brush over a lot of bands with no real basis for it. How many of the "indie bands" on the line-up have you seen live or even listen to other than a song or three?
You asked, "what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listen to their CD in your car?" Couldnt you ask that question about any music act on the planet? Why single out indie rock like it is somehow unique? Does playing indie rock somehow magically make you sound alike on both albums and live?
I havent seen Mumford and Sons live but I have watched some live performances on Youtube and I watched their Showtime special and it appears to me that they put on amazing show. They play with energy and seem to really enjoy being on stage. On top of that, they are amazing muscians which if you enjoy music, that should be a treat to watch. I most certainly wouldnt call how they play their instruments as gentle strumming. I am not sure how say the Avett Brothers put on a show and them imply that M&S is somehow boring. I've watched performances of both and they seem to play with similar energy.
I assume that PTM is Portugal. the Man? I have seen them live and they put on an amazing show. I saw them last year and it was one of the best shows I have seen in the last 2 or 3 years. Their live versions of their songs are better than their album versions, they performed a couple of covers and they were only suppose to play for like 90 minutes and kept playing for over 2 hours and had the venue rocking the entire time.
I assume by indie bands that you are talking about M&S, the Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men, Edward Sharpe, Portugal. the Man and some others? I am not sure how you can say that the only difference between them is the way they dress. They all have different sounds and Portugal. the Man is definitely much different than the other four. They dont play folk at all and I would call them alternative or psychedelic rock versus indie rock.
What bands are you talking about that have been "forsaken"? Can you provide some examples? What makes their shows so great and the indie bands you mention, boring?
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Also the answer to the question in the thread "greatest guitar player at bonnaroo" can simply be answered by Jimi Hemdrix himself.
An interviewer once asked Hendrix, "what's it like to be the greatest guitar player in the world?" His answer: "Go ask Billy Gibbons".
I hate to burst your bubble, but that quote is inaccurate. It's constantly thrown around/modified with various guitarists names in it. If Hendrix ever said something like that (which is questionable) signs show he likely said it about Rory Gallagher. Not to mention ZZ Top's debut album didn't come out until almost a year after Jimi died (RIP). (side note: I hope Hendrix had enough self confidence to know he was better than Billy Gibbons)
BTW, your avatar is awesome.
Actually man, Billy Gibbons was in a band before ZZ Top called Moving Sidewalks. They opened for Jimi and The Doors too I think. Gibbons did an interview where the guy asked him about his time with Hendrix and he actually had some pretty cool stories to tell. If my memory serves me well Hendrix gave him a pink strat or something too. I'm not saying this exact quote is true, but Jimi definitely backed Billy Gibbons as a guitar player.
i admit I was initially upset about the lineup. It was a combination of not knowing much about the undercard and not being able to let 2006 go (greatest lineup ever).
I have since done a 180. Found some new bands I am pumped about, like Tame Impala. BTW John Fullbright is a great lazy morning show. He might be the love child of Arlo Guthrie and Willy Nelson (check out "flower song").
My only objection about this year's lineup is all the Indie rock. I'm not saying you have poor taste for liking M&S, or PTM... but it is just so generic and blah. Don't get me wrong, they have some worthwhile songs... but what do they bring to a live show? what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listening to their CD in your car? I'm not being an ahole here, i am genuinely wondering what the appeal is. At least the Avett Bros put on a show. The Bonnaroo lineup this year just seems like 7-8 Indie Bands that only differ by which way they part their hair or what color their fedora is.
I'm not bitching about it. I just can't help but feel like I am getting bumped out of my demographic by people who are ecstatic about this music and forsaking other bands that actually put on great shows and don't just stand there in a sweater gently strumming a mandolin. It is like talking to your average Fox News watching republican about Ron Paul... you aren't getting it because you have been so inundated with mediocrity. My 2cents
Alright I'm going to try to be somewhat civil, but this comment really irked me. How do you know all indie bands sound exactly the same live as they do in studio? I can assure you that that could not be further from the truth. I have seen dozens, maybe hundreds of these "indie" bands, and I can tell you that many, probably most of them sound different live. Yeah, some of them suck live. But you know what, a lot of classic rock acts suck live, a lot of rappers suck live, a lot of country singers suck live. And a lot of them in each category are fantastic live. Why is it different for "indie" bands?
I've left plenty indie shows with my mind absolutely blown. There's also something about seeing a band live that just cannot compare to listening to them on CD. I'm a big The National fan. I"m guessing (I have not seen them live so it's only a guess) that their live show is pretty similar to their studio sound. But once I'm in that crowd, singing along with people who love the band just as much as me, I couldn't give a rat's a*s if they supposedly sounded like the CD. There's nothing better than seeing a band you love on stage and being part of that magic (as long as the band doesn't completely suck live, of course).
Also the answer to the question in the thread "greatest guitar player at bonnaroo" can simply be answered by Jimi Hemdrix himself.
An interviewer once asked Hendrix, "what's it like to be the greatest guitar player in the world?" His answer: "Go ask Billy Gibbons".
I hate to burst your bubble, but that quote is inaccurate. It's constantly thrown around/modified with various guitarists names in it. If Hendrix ever said something like that (which is questionable) signs show he likely said it about Rory Gallagher. Not to mention ZZ Top's debut album didn't come out until almost a year after Jimi died (RIP). (side note: I hope Hendrix had enough self confidence to know he was better than Billy Gibbons)
BTW, your avatar is awesome.
Hey, new guy. Jimmy definitely knew Gibbons. Not from ZZ Top, it was from his first band Moving Sidewalks who opened for one of his American tours. Hendrix even gave Billy a Stratocaster. He was well aware of Billy's existence and his playing. So yeah, Quack your bubble. Do more research.
BTW, thanks.
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I think she is billed properly, but the add count did convince me that she's not getting a LN What. It will be LN Which Stage on whichever night Pretty Lights isn't.
I agree she is properly billed. The thing that makes her a big grab is that she doesn't tour that often and really doesn't play that states that often. If you look at where she has played the last 10 years and change you will notice that. I also think she can go either way as far the stages go. I think it depends more on her setup and if it is in her contract to play the Which stage,
I guess I've been out of the loop for years about this, but until this lineup release I did not know she was so divisive between people. I've seen as many people excited as I have people express bewilderment at her being on the lineup. If this ends up being late night, and we think it will, the schedulers will need to have a crowd pleasing act going on somewhere for the casuals who do not like her. I'll be at Bjork, by the way, pending no Kendrick Lamar conflict or something like that.
My only objection about this year's lineup is all the Indie rock. I'm not saying you have poor taste for liking M&S, or PTM... but it is just so generic and blah. Don't get me wrong, they have some worthwhile songs... but what do they bring to a live show? what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listening to their CD in your car? I'm not being an ahole here, i am genuinely wondering what the appeal is. At least the Avett Bros put on a show. The Bonnaroo lineup this year just seems like 7-8 Indie Bands that only differ by which way they part their hair or what color their fedora is.
I'm not bitching about it. I just can't help but feel like I am getting bumped out of my demographic by people who are ecstatic about this music and forsaking other bands that actually put on great shows and don't just stand there in a sweater gently strumming a mandolin. It is like talking to your average Fox News watching republican about Ron Paul... you aren't getting it because you have been so inundated with mediocrity. My 2cents
So, because a band is indie rock, they do not put on a great show and it is no different than listening to a CD? You're painting a broad brush over a lot of bands with no real basis for it. How many of the "indie bands" on the line-up have you seen live or even listen to other than a song or three?
You asked, "what are you gaining by seeing them live as opposed to listen to their CD in your car?" Couldnt you ask that question about any music act on the planet? Why single out indie rock like it is somehow unique? Does playing indie rock somehow magically make you sound alike on both albums and live?
I havent seen Mumford and Sons live but I have watched some live performances on Youtube and I watched their Showtime special and it appears to me that they put on amazing show. They play with energy and seem to really enjoy being on stage. On top of that, they are amazing muscians which if you enjoy music, that should be a treat to watch. I most certainly wouldnt call how they play their instruments as gentle strumming. I am not sure how say the Avett Brothers put on a show and them imply that M&S is somehow boring. I've watched performances of both and they seem to play with similar energy.
I assume that PTM is Portugal. the Man? I have seen them live and they put on an amazing show. I saw them last year and it was one of the best shows I have seen in the last 2 or 3 years. Their live versions of their songs are better than their album versions, they performed a couple of covers and they were only suppose to play for like 90 minutes and kept playing for over 2 hours and had the venue rocking the entire time.
I assume by indie bands that you are talking about M&S, the Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men, Edward Sharpe, Portugal. the Man and some others? I am not sure how you can say that the only difference between them is the way they dress. They all have different sounds and Portugal. the Man is definitely much different than the other four. They dont play folk at all and I would call them alternative or psychedelic rock versus indie rock.
What bands are you talking about that have been "forsaken"? Can you provide some examples? What makes their shows so great and the indie bands you mention, boring?
I have seen many of these bands. Like I said before, I give any band a fair shake. I have seen many of those bands live and i thought Mumford and Sons was one of the most boring, listless shows i have seen. And I'm not even saying there isn't a place for that at Bonnaroo... 12-5 is the perfect time for laying in the grass and enjoying the scenery while listening to downtempo crooning. but getting the what stage at 9pm? i would loved to be proven wrong and hope that they bring an (overly used word, but so apt for what headliners should be) epic show to the table. I just don't see the depth of their catalogue as collectively being powerful or getting 100k people to reach something that is greater than the sum of its parts. There is a time and place for cat stevens and joni mitchell, but would you put them on as the welcome mat for a night of frenzied debauchery? there have been plenty of headliners that could have sat back on their laurels and played the hit/s but met the crowds energy, enthusiasm and excitement with an explosive performance rather than just play. The only reason I am singling out indie music is because it is so prevalent in this lineup. If we had 9 different performers playing lullabies on a harp I would be asking the same thing about them. jam bands have one of a kind jams, rock bands get inside you with crisp, visceral sound, EDM concerts connects your eyes to your ears with amazing light shows.... as for "forsaken"... well if I had my druthers: King Crimson, Lettuce, Genesis, soundgarden, Muse, and Black Crowes... just to name a few who are currently touring. I'm not here to argue musical taste with you, but there is an objectivity to a performance. I would never listen to Beyonce in my car, but after that halftime show i would love to see the production live. The point of my original post was just pointing out how i feel as a veteran of Bonnaroo: that our/my demographic is being taken over by a younger crowd that doesn't get it. It's like for 7 years we had this badass orgy and everyone loved every minute of it and now the orgy is being taken over by nuns or people who never had an orgasm. instead of carnal rapture and animalistic hedonism we are holding hands and giving sensual massages. thats all i'm sayin'
Warren Haynes loves collaborating with people. In '07 late night alone he played with michael franti, bob weir, john paul jones, and Luther dickinson. And had lewis black come tell a joke. I could easily see Billy Gibbons sitting in for a few tunes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Billy Gibbons sat in on Broke Down On The Brazos in the studio.
I think you're on to something!
Which brings me to a separate question... Has Mule ever played the main stage? Roo always seems to make an effort to get Roo vets on the main stage eventually... I could see Mule, Trombone Shorty, Preservation Hall, and the National all up there this year.
I hope Mule is LN against Bjork or something big myself.
Which brings me to a separate question... Has Mule ever played the main stage? Roo always seems to make an effort to get Roo vets on the main stage eventually... I could see Mule, Trombone Shorty, Preservation Hall, and the National all up there this year.
I'm pretty sure The Mule did a daytime What Stage show in 2005.
Tennessee's hottest music festival is Bonnaroo! Nightlife designer Ashley Capps is back with the all new lineup that answers the question, “HUHHH?"
Don’t look for security staff, there isn’t one. Instead, Centeroo is guarded by ten jacked homeless guys in old fashioned bathing suits.And inside is just sick: ice sculpture, winos, Gurmfs (German Smurfs), a teddy ruxpin wearing mascara, an old lady with kitten play-hair, and on the yet-to-be-announced EDM stage, none other than DJ Baby Bok Choy… He’s a giant 300 lbs Chinese baby who wears tinted aviator glasses and he spins records with his little ravioli hands.
Dude, it's already odd enough that you recently decided to adopt Stefon for your avatar but can you please stop posting variations of this joke every day or so? Diminishing returns.
I hate to burst your bubble, but that quote is inaccurate. It's constantly thrown around/modified with various guitarists names in it. If Hendrix ever said something like that (which is questionable) signs show he likely said it about Rory Gallagher. Not to mention ZZ Top's debut album didn't come out until almost a year after Jimi died (RIP). (side note: I hope Hendrix had enough self confidence to know he was better than Billy Gibbons)
BTW, your avatar is awesome.
Actually man, Billy Gibbons was in a band before ZZ Top called Moving Sidewalks. They opened for Jimi and The Doors too I think. Gibbons did an interview where the guy asked him about his time with Hendrix and he actually had some pretty cool stories to tell. If my memory serves me well Hendrix gave him a pink strat or something too. I'm not saying this exact quote is true, but Jimi definitely backed Billy Gibbons as a guitar player.
I've been researching this and there is a lot of conflicting information. Essentially Hendryx was asked by weenie Cavett once and Johnny Carson another time some form of the question "Who's your favorite guitar player?". Hendryx answered Gibbons to Cavett. Some say he told Carson it was Phil Keaggy, some say it was it was Gibbons. The facts are hazy, but Hendryx definitely liked Gibbons.
Edit: The word filter changed Cavett's first name. It is the same as former VP Cheney.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Billy Gibbons sat in on Broke Down On The Brazos in the studio.
I think you're on to something!
Which brings me to a separate question... Has Mule ever played the main stage? Roo always seems to make an effort to get Roo vets on the main stage eventually... I could see Mule, Trombone Shorty, Preservation Hall, and the National all up there this year.
From a Warren Haynes interview with Billboard: That was the last song we wrote and recorded for the CD, and when we listened back to it we thought, "Wow, it's kinda got an old school, early-ZZ Top vibe about it." We sent him the track and he loved it. I flew to L.A. and sat in a room with Billy, and we overdubbed our guitars at the same time because I wanted us to be staring each other in the face when we did it. He was so amazing and added so much to the track that it's hard to think of it without him now.
and I don't think they've played the What. They were on the which in the mid -afternoon in '09.
Yes Gibbons did play on The Mule's last CD, that's why I suggested a sit-in. Gibbons also sat in one night with The Allman Bros at the Beacon. Gov't Mule played the What stage 2004, 2005, and I think 2002. In addition, Warren played a solo acoustic show on the What stage in 2003. It was released on CD. I'm hoping for a Late night tent show so they can stretch it out the way they did in 2007.
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