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QB's can help out WR's WAY more than a WR can help out a QB.
Exhibit A: Arizona Cardinals.
Larry Fitz is the best WR in football, it's not even close. For him to have ANY production while leaping three defenders and one-handing circus catches is remarkable. His Qb's are insultingly bad, and I actually feel so bad for Fitz having to spend his prime years with those clowns.
Exhibit B:
Deion Branch. He was in New England, tore it up, got a huge contract in Seattle before everyone realizing "oh sh*t, this guy sucks and only looked good because a future HOF QB was throwing passes to him? Crap, we need to get him outta here.
Well you are correct, the QB can't be a complete idiot, at least has to get the ball with in arms reach and I would hope a QB at the Pro level could sit in the pocket and throw a pass to a WR and get it with arms reach. Not sure if Kolb can do that, not sure Cards line is that good either. and what in the hell is he doing leaping over three defenders? If he is triple covered, who are we not throwing to or why are we not running the ball? I will go back and say Chris Carter and Randy Moss made Cullpepper and Randall Cunningham looks like gods when they played for the Vikings.
Branch's contract was for about 6 mil a year. Is that a huge contract for a WR coming off a career year? I don't know, I'm honestly asking.
And I think Branch's success was less Brady and more the system. Remember when Cassell tore it up for New England?
At the time, Branch signed an elite-level contract, which also shows you how team's valuation of WR's has progressed with the growth of pass-first offenses.
Cassel definitely benefit from the system because he had timing pre-established with most of his receivers, but the offense was not quite as formidable (they were the lowest offensive rank from 2007 until now in Cassel's season, same goes for point differential). He was solid, but he did have a better season in KC than he did in New England, so he might just be a taller Mark Sanchez whose year-to-year play (or game-to-game) is impossible to understand.
As for Marky Mark? He takes 4 sacks, but only 1 INT. He sails 5 passes at least 5 feet over the receivers head on third down, though. I wish I could bet on such things.
Let me clear about this, the Cutler-related story I previously touched on was that the Broncos asked for David Harris and a sh*tload of picks in a trade for Cutler, which is obviously insane considering what he was actually traded for.
PMO is referring to some drunk comments I made (I'm assuming) where I said I'd rather have Mark start, called Cutler a p*ssy, or some dumb stuff like that. Cutler is a better QB than Mark, but I hate him so I wouldn't want his sulky, spoiled, d*ckheaded self on my favorite team.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Nov 5, 2012 16:59:26 GMT -5
The only starting QBs in the NFL I would rather have Mark Sanchez than right now are Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, whoever the Chiefs throw out there and whoever the Cardinals throw out there. And Cassel and Kolb are both close
Let me clear about this, the Cutler-related story I previously touched on was that the Broncos asked for David Harris and a sh*tload of picks in a trade for Cutler, which is obviously insane considering what he was actually traded for.
PMO is referring to some drunk comments I made (I'm assuming) where I said I'd rather have Mark start, called Cutler a p*ssy, or some dumb stuff like that. Cutler is a better QB than Mark, but I hate him so I wouldn't want his sulky, spoiled, d*ckheaded self on my favorite team.
I still remember when the Broncos wanted David Harris, a 1st rounder and another blue-chip player for Cutler. Thank God they didn't make that trade. As much as Sanchez can be maddeningly inconsistent and has a penchant for the uber-retardo play...at least he's not a summers breeze like Hay Cutler.
Drunk by 3 in the afternoon on a Thursday. A true pro.
I'll admit that Cutler is no Peyton Manning when it comes to personality, but that description was a little delusional. Cutler is an extremely tough NFL player, with a rocket arm, who is a passionate competitor that hates to lose. Sometimes he forces the ball into coverages that he shouldn't and he also needs to learn when to get out of the pocket and throw the ball away. He doesn't play the media game all to well, so in turn the media knocks him way more than they do other players for showing that emotion. Case in point, The Green Bay game the same day this statement was made, where Cutler was ripped apart for getting on his offensive line, but no one said a peep about Rodgers reaming his wide receiver a new one. Cutler is a polarizing figure no doubt, but all I care about is my favorite team winning football games. I'd much rather have a controversial winner than a likable loser.
I still remember when the Broncos wanted David Harris, a 1st rounder and another blue-chip player for Cutler. Thank God they didn't make that trade. As much as Sanchez can be maddeningly inconsistent and has a penchant for the uber-retardo play...at least he's not a summers breeze like Hay Cutler.
Drunk by 3 in the afternoon on a Thursday. A true pro.
I'll admit that Cutler is no Peyton Manning when it comes to personality, but that description was a little delusional. Cutler is an extremely tough NFL player, with a rocket arm, who is a passionate competitor that hates to lose. Sometimes he forces the ball into coverages that he shouldn't and he also needs to learn when to get out of the pocket and throw the ball away. He doesn't play the media game all to well, so in turn the media knocks him way more than they do other players for showing that emotion. Case in point, The Green Bay game the same day this statement was made, where Cutler was ripped apart for getting on his offensive line, but no one said a peep about Rodgers reaming his wide receiver a new one. Cutler is a polarizing figure no doubt, but all I care about is my favorite team winning football games. I'd much rather have a controversial winner than a likable loser.
Oh, so I wasn't drunk, just saying I'd rather not have a huge, monumental douchebag as my QB? Fair enough, I'll stand by that comment, then.
Friend is in a bar in Chicago during the off-season. He goes to the bathroom and sees Jay Cutler, hat on backwards, taking a piss at the urinal. So the guy starts going to the bathroom and says, “Hey, I’m a huge fan, also went to Vanderbilt… ”
Jay throws his head back, still pissing, eyes half-closed because he’s drunk, interrupts him with, “DOOOONNNNTTTTTT CAAAAAARRRREEEEEE.”
So now I can’t stop yelling, “DOOOOONNNNTTTTT CAAAARRRREEEEE.”
That's not douchey, that's hilarious. He was drunk, and he was taking a piss, and some idiot walks up to him and wants to have a conversation. What would you do in that situation if you were drunk?
That's not douchey, that's hilarious. He was drunk, and he was taking a piss, and some idiot walks up to him and wants to have a conversation. What would you do in that situation if you were drunk?
What would I do if someone took the time to tell me they were a huge fan since my days in college? As Jay Cutler? I'd buy the guy a beer since those come along about as often as Haley's Comet.
I get he's your QB and you're going to defend him, but the guy is a complete and total *sshole. And not in a funny way like Juggs or someone like that. In the "I'd laugh if someone hit you in the face with a brick" way.
That's not douchey, that's hilarious. He was drunk, and he was taking a piss, and some idiot walks up to him and wants to have a conversation. What would you do in that situation if you were drunk?
What would I do if someone took the time to tell me they were a huge fan since my days in college? As Jay Cutler? I'd buy the guy a beer since those come along about as often as Haley's Comet.
I get he's your QB and you're going to defend him, but the guy is a complete and total *sshole. And not in a funny way like Juggs or someone like that. In the "I'd laugh if someone hit you in the face with a brick" way.
As someone who says completely ridiculous stuff when drunk (see my title), I would have to agree with pmo on that particular story. It's funny. Overall though, Cutler does seem a little douchey with his rants/pouting.
Alright. Valid opinion. I didn't get in this to defend his personality. I probably wouldn't be buds with the guy. I just was wondering if you still are holding firm on your position from 2 months ago.
What would I do if someone took the time to tell me they were a huge fan since my days in college? As Jay Cutler? I'd buy the guy a beer since those come along about as often as Haley's Comet.
I get he's your QB and you're going to defend him, but the guy is a complete and total *sshole. And not in a funny way like Juggs or someone like that. In the "I'd laugh if someone hit you in the face with a brick" way.
As someone who says completely ridiculous stuff when drunk (see my title), I would have to agree with pmo on that particular story. It's funny. Overall though, Cutler does seem a little douchey with his rants/pouting.
Okay, picture Dave 15 years ago skips into the University of Tenn. pisser after Peyton throws a helacious beatdown of U of F. You tell him how great it is to meet him, how you're from TN, whatever. And then he looks at you and says "Kid, I don't care," before jingling his peckerwood and waltzing out of the bathroom.
Alright. Valid opinion. I didn't get in this to defend his personality. I probably wouldn't be buds with the guy. I just was wondering if you still are holding firm on your position from 2 months ago.
I know, and I already said I think Cutler is better I just dislike him a great deal so I'd stick with Sanchez, cut him in the offseason, and call and see if Vinny Testeverde felt like lacing 'em up again for a year.