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Sanchez does hold them back but they would be almost automatic superbowl champs with top 10-15 QB. Good WRs bail him out a lot and defense that holds team to under 14 points doesn't hurt either
Common misconception. Sanchez is not what's holding the Jets back. His QB rating in the playoffs is well into the mid 90's.
Thats an extremely misleading stat. Sure he has a mid 90s rating, but he averages less than 200 yds a game and only about 7 yds/a in the playoffs. And 9 tds over 6 games isn't great. He has a high rating because he doesn't throw it enough to make many mistakes and a great part of his completions come from check downs.
I don't think he is a horrible quarterback, but the Jets would be a lot more dangerous with someone else taking the snaps.
Post by RadioSpirit on Aug 10, 2011 2:45:26 GMT -5
I imagine I could name around 20 quarterbacks better than Sanchez, easily. I could do more, but after that it might get debatable. Luckily for the Jets, they don't really need him, although imagining them with somebody in the range of Matt Ryan or Schaub is scary.
No, but I am going to the game that you are going to in Buffalo.
nice!!
maybe we can try and plan some sort of meet up prior to kick-off.
i'll be arriving in buffalo on 10/8/11 sometime in the afternoon.
I'll be staying in Niagara all weekend (Canadian Thanksgiving) but we usually head over to the games super early, so a pre-kickoff meet up should be entirely possible.
although imagining them with somebody in the range of Matt Ryan or Schaub is scary.
It's funny that you say that, cause I've always thought of Sanchez as Matt Ryan 2.0. Both are protected by coaching, a running game, and their defense, and neither throws deep well or all that often. However, Ryan has definitely been better, and is good at limiting his mistakes.
Obviously they both started their rookie years and are still in their mid 20's, so they're each going to improve to varying degrees. However people have that "All they do is win" attitude about them which is silly because there are several quarterbacks (esp. in Sanchez's case) who would take the team farther than where they've already been.
Post by RadioSpirit on Aug 10, 2011 11:58:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Matt Ryan might not take a lot of chances deep, but that's about the only bad thing I can say about him. I live in Georgia now (but I don't consider myself a Falcons fan), so I see a lot of Ryan's games. He's got the QB mindset down. He almost always gets the job done. The Falcons were very good last season, and Matt Ryan is very responsible for that. Also, as far as "Garrard, Orton, and Hasselbeck" go, Hasselbeck is old now, so it's unfair to use him. In his prime, he was far superior to Sanchez, and it's not like Orton is no good either. What he did with McDaniel's offense last year was spectacular.
Thats an extremely misleading stat. Sure he has a mid 90s rating, but he averages less than 200 yds a game and only about 7 yds/a in the playoffs. And 9 tds over 6 games isn't great. He has a high rating because he doesn't throw it enough to make many mistakes and a great part of his completions come from check downs.
I don't think he is a horrible quarterback, but the Jets would be a lot more dangerous with someone else taking the snaps.
I actually write part-time for a Jets blog, and one of my assignments was to watch, log, and analyze every pass Sanchez threw for the entire season (including playoffs).
He has glaring weaknesses in his game (he throws a screen pass 500mph at the receiver's feet 9 times out of 10, he misreads defenses multiple times a game still, and so on), but his good definitely outweighs his bad. And by the end of last he was playing quite well.
His receivers made him look worse, not better. The Jets were one of the worst teams when it came to dropped passes (and that's with Edwards only dropping 1 pass last year).
There are dozens of factors that go into Sanchez's playoff numbers, but don't let them fool you. The Jets playoff gameplan is simple: eat up as much clock as possible while keeping it close (or winning) and then turn Sanchez loose in the 2nd half.
He led a comeback, last-minute drive to beat Peyton in Indy. He went into New England and spanked the Pats. He nearly brought the Jets back against the best defense in the league after his team dug itself a 24-0 hole.
Point being, I am very comfortable and confident in Sanchez as the QB of this team moving forward. He's still only 24, has as many road playoff wins as any QB in history, and was not the single reason for a loss last year (compared to the NE and Buffalo disasters his rookie year). And the common misconception that the team wins in spite of him is off, as he only had 3 wins with bad-to-mediocre QB ratings, and one was the Vikings game (monsoon) and one was the Broncos game (led last-second winning drive).
But Matt Ryan is a top 7 QB, Sanchez, if he has a good season, will be entering the top 1/2 of QBs in the league. There's no debate there.
1. Peyton Manning 2. Tom Brady 3. Phillip Rivers 4. Drew Brees 5. Michael Vick 6. Tony Romo 7. Matt Ryan 8. Ben Rothlesburger (spelled wrong) 9. Eli Manning 10. Aaron Rodgers 11. Jay Cutler 12. Joe Flacco 13. Josh Freeman 14. Matt Schaub 15. Sam Bradford (better IMO) 16. Matthew Stafford (when healthy) 17. Matt Cassel
Those are not in order btw. I could see Sanchez getting to 16 or 17 if they were in order. He might get into the top half after this year. He is not now though and all of the QBs above could also get better.
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But Matt Ryan is a top 7 QB, Sanchez, if he has a good season, will be entering the top 1/2 of QBs in the league. There's no debate there.
This is fair. If Sanchez has a good season, he could enter the Top 1/2. I agree with this. Also, The Jets as a whole play better in the playoffs. They were absolutely destroyed by the Patriots in that regular season game, and then managed to beat them in the playoffs. 2 seasons ago, they got into the playoffs on a fluke, after being mediocre at best all season, and then went to the Championship game.
1. Peyton Manning 2. Tom Brady 3. Phillip Rivers 4. Drew Brees 5. Michael Vick 6. Tony Romo 7. Matt Ryan 8. Ben Rothlesburger (spelled wrong) 9. Eli Manning 10. Aaron Rodgers 11. Jay Cutler 12. Joe Flacco 13. Josh Freeman 14. Matt Schaub 15. Sam Bradford (better IMO) 16. Matthew Stafford (when healthy) 17. Matt Cassel
I'd even add Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and Kyle Orton to this list. And a couple of recent retirees (Favre, Palmer, Warner). But the Jets staff has said they're going to really let Sanchez loose this season and "give him the keys" to the offense, so this will be a definining season for him.
1. Peyton Manning 2. Tom Brady 3. Phillip Rivers 4. Drew Brees 5. Michael Vick 6. Tony Romo 7. Matt Ryan 8. Ben Rothlesburger (spelled wrong) 9. Eli Manning 10. Aaron Rodgers 11. Jay Cutler 12. Joe Flacco 13. Josh Freeman 14. Matt Schaub 15. Sam Bradford (better IMO) 16. Matthew Stafford (when healthy) 17. Matt Cassel
Those are not in order btw. I could see Sanchez getting to 16 or 17 if they were in order. He might get into the top half after this year. He is not now though and all of the QBs above could also get better.
He's got the QB mindset down. He almost always gets the job done. .
This. What the fuck does that first part even mean? It's stuff like that people will say when a quarterback is overrated because intangibles can't really be "disputed" (not singling you out or anything, you hear that kind of stuff everywhere. Especially from analysts on T.V.).
He's obviously a good quarterback, and will most assuredly improve, but there are 8-12 guys I'd rather have leading a 4th quarter comeback where you have to move the ball 50-80 yards in just a couple minutes. Though he'll at least have a legit deep threat this year in Jones so we'll see how that goes.
Post by RadioSpirit on Aug 10, 2011 17:48:09 GMT -5
No, that's fair. I was referring to how calm and collected he always is. You never see Matt Ryan look flustered or get nervous like Flaaco or Sanchez are prone to do. His confidence is impressive. I'd argue that Ryan is the reason they're so good in the Georgia Dome. I should have elaborated more on that. I'd agree with there being at least 8 guys out there I'd rather have, but 12 is pushing it.
And NoD, I almost put Fitzpatrick on there, but I'd say he needs another season (like Sanchez) to impress me.
Sometimes certain players do have intangibles that benefit them as a QB. Sanchez, for whatever reason, steps into pressure situations and plays better. The only big-time game that was bad was the Monday Night Massacre in Foxboro (where literally every player had their asses handed to them). I think he had something like 6 or 7 comeback wins last year. He'll benefit from a top 5 defense, top 5 o-line and a loaded backfield, but it's time for him to take over the offense for good. The coaches say they will, so it's time for Sanchez's show-me season.
Hey glennron what's it like to have your favorite team win a super bowl?
After the Superbowl this year, I drunkenly proclaimed "This is the best day of my life!" After thinking about it a while, it was honestly hard to come up with something that tops it. I mean, I guess college graduation, but I still don't have a job in my field so I don't think I can't count that yet.
Still trying to figure out of I like sports too much or my life is just that uninteresting. Probably both.
Post by noeysasquatch on Aug 11, 2011 11:51:37 GMT -5
The Eagles signed Steve Smith which I think is a good move to make a strong receiving crops stronger. However if the Eagles are worried Maclin's illness will cause him to miss the season opener, is Smith really the best solution since he is coming off an injury himself and may not be ready for the opener? Smith said he think he will be ready to play, but when he tried out for the Giants Coughlin didnt think he would be ready till midseason. Guess I'll have to wait and see how it plays out. Fingers crossed that they are both healthy
Maclin will most likely be ready. With Vick, Jackson, Maclin, and Smith the Eagles might have the best passing game in the league. All of those WR could be number 1 WR on some teams. Plus Smith plays in the slot a lot. Having Jackson run deep routes with Smith in the slot will be dangerous. Then you Maclin one of the most versatile WR out there. Right now I don't know how teams will be able to contain this offense. I know the O-Line could be better but blitzing this team will put Jackson, Maclin, and Smith in one on one situations and no team wants to mess with that.
Smith said he think he will be ready to play, but when he tried out for the Giants Coughlin didnt think he would be ready till midseason. Guess I'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
I think Coughlin was just trying to gain a little leverage with contract negotiations by making other teams think he wasn't quite healthy enough, but I guess we will see.
Also, not really sure why Ravens passed on Cotchery, unless they are going to go after Lee Evans, but it pisses me off that the Steelers have him now. Although, he will just be a number 3 there.
Cotchery's back is in shambles. He has two herniated discs. He thought he was a starter (Jets had him #3 on the depth chart) and felt he could earn more than the $1.8 mil he was slated to earn with the Jets.
Apparently the Jets GM knows what he's doing (yet again).
Post by Mista Don't Play on Aug 11, 2011 15:54:12 GMT -5
He's been pretty reliable in the past, he was never projected to be a superstar. He would be the number three behind Edwards and Holmes, that has little to do with him and more to do with the quality of those guys, same with Ward and Wallace. I don't think you can really credit the Jets GM with anything until it is proven that Cotchery's back is shot and that Plaxico isn't a bust.
He's been pretty reliable in the past, he was never projected to be a superstar. He would be the number three behind Edwards and Holmes, that has little to do with him and more to do with the quality of those guys, same with Ward and Wallace. I don't think you can really credit the Jets GM with anything until it is proven that Cotchery's back is shot and that Plaxico isn't a bust.
Plaxico is a gamble but the Jets got Derrick Mason who is one of the most consistent receivers in the game. With the exception of last year, Mason always received 1000+ yards. So a very tall receiver like Plaxico can really be a good possession wideout in that 3rd spot. He's listed as the number 2 guy, which might show he is really having a good camp. The "oh Leno i'm out of jail and need to make $" effect. Refer to Vick. Cotchery in that mix of things doesn't seem like a good match. I think it's a good move on the Jets. As far as the Ravens not going after any receivers after losing Mason seems odd to me not to mention losing Heap and Wilson. With the exception of signing Ricky Williams, the Ravens are not making alot of sense to me.
What's not a good move, the Giants losing Smith to the Eagles. Mannigham-Nicks-Smith was a great receiver corps, now he's gone to a division rival. Maclin-Jackson-Smith along with Celek at tight end and the platoon of McCoy-Brown. That's awful lot of targets for Vick. And oh yeah, he can run. This second part wasn't directed to you approo, I just went on a football rant.
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If by "good camp" you mean "at camp", then yes. He hasn't done any team drills (he snuck in for a few plays one day but that was it) because he rolled his ankle running routes with Holmes the day before he could start practicing.
But you're right about him being a great possession receiver option. If it takes time to get his football legs back he can always rely on his natural separation at 6'5 with long arms and a 30"-32" vertical.
Cotchery would have been able to tough it out as a #3, but he wouldn't have been reliable as a starter early on because of his back. Last year he kept getting injuries due to compensating for his back pain. I love the guy, he's a professional and all-around good person, but he's simply not healthy enough to be effective.
I LOVE the Mason signing, couldn't believe the Ravens cut him to be honest.
Smith had microfracture surgery less than a year ago, I just can't see him making the early impact the Eagles are saying he will. I mean, there are exceptions to the rule (like Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Beltran) but usually it takes at least a full year to recover from that surgery.