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"Thwarted by a speckled lad's demise" -- The speckled lad could be Richard Branson? He does look like a redhead, and redheads can have many freckles. They are a speckly bunch. He is also british, so there is the "lad" part. Also, airlines are definitely going down south as far as business is concerned. Especially with Virgin Airlines and Richard branson. here's a pic:
"A watershed moment otherwise" -- even if Muse isn't one of the first one's to do so, bands playing in outerspace will definitely happen at one point.
what I'm lost on though, and the one part I can't fill in is where does the "demise" fit in? Could the "demise" be the fact that the technology and public interest/$$$ isn't around yet? That's what is demising Richard Branson and muse from playing in space? Or the demise of virgin airlines? Branson himself is dwindling out of being the main man there anyhow...
Thoughts?!?!?! I'm excited about this guess.
by george i think you've got it! seriously...this one makes the most sense out of any theory we've heard all day long. i'll have to meet up with you at roo to buy you a beer or share some corn.
I think some of you may be misinterpreting the clue. The second part of the clue is "A watershed moment otherwise." This means the watershed moment didn't occur because it was thwarted. So we are looking for a "trip to space" that didn't happen because of the "speckled lad's demise." Just thought I would add my 2¢.
that's the precise logic i'm trying to use with Muse. they wanted to play in space, and because of circumstances the way they are-- their plan was/is thwarted. Otherwise, had the plan still been good-- it would definitely be a watershed moment.
if you could prove that it's been thwarted and by some speckled lad's demise, you could be on to something. but i think it's something else.
So we are looking for a "trip to space" that didn't happen because of the "speckled lad's demise." Just thought I would add my 2¢.
YES, this is exactly what I've been thinking only worded better than I can manage! Haha.
It wouldn't HAVE to be that, but that was definitely my initial impression - that the trip to space WOULD have been a watershed moment if it hadn't been thwarted. Could be that it didn't happen, or it could be that it somehow just went awry.
So we are looking for a "trip to space" that didn't happen because of the "speckled lad's demise." Just thought I would add my 2¢.
YES, this is exactly what I've been thinking only worded better than I can manage! Haha.
It wouldn't HAVE to be that, but that was definitely my initial impression - that the trip to space WOULD have been a watershed moment if it hadn't been thwarted. Could be that it didn't happen, or it could be that it somehow just went awry.
and it doesn't have to be a literal trip to space.
Wishlist for 2011: Daft Punk, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Arcade Fire, Mumford and Sons.
Festivals for me this year: SXSW 3/11-20 UMF 3/25-27 Coachella 4/14-17 Wakarusa 6/03-06 Bonnaroo 6/9-12 Glastonbury 6/22-26 Lollapalooza 8/5-7 ACL 9/16-18 Voodoo Festival 10/28-31 Fun Fun Fun Fest ?? MAYBE more
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 11, 2011 22:24:56 GMT -5
Right, exactly. I'm loving r for putting those two phrases in quotes because that's exactly how I'm thinking of it - we've got a trip to space and a speckled lad, but either or both could be metaphorical or fictional or anything like that.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 11, 2011 22:27:37 GMT -5
Yeah, if someone can come up with a way that the Muse thing was thwarted by a speckled lad I'll be more inclined to buy that idea. But as it stands so far, I'm filing that one under "the fact that you really really want it doesn't make up for ignoring half of the clue." ;D (no offense intended to anyone, I'm just goofing around)
Right, exactly. I'm loving r for putting those two phrases in quotes because that's exactly how I'm thinking of it - we've got a trip to space and a speckled lad, but either or both could be metaphorical or fictional or anything like that.
So I am finally home and getting caught up on the clue and I am on the same path PP. The clue seems to be a narrative, and I think we need to play with the idea of a "trip to space" and a "speckled lad's demise" - maybe not being taken so literally. I don't see it being a big band and definitely not a headliner. Last year, the first clue was Ingrid Michaelson.
Post by The Wookie Monster on Jan 11, 2011 22:33:08 GMT -5
How about space = a band's rise...as in a speckled band member's demise prevented this band from taking off at first, but are a better band now with the replacement as it was a watershed moment.
Post by snoochielurks on Jan 11, 2011 22:34:50 GMT -5
Phoenix.
Space mission that revealed the probability of water on Mars. Thus "watershed". The speckled lad was JFK whose death "thwarted" the advance of the space race. Thwarted as in put off or delayed.
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The problem with the dead kennedys idea is that JFK's death didn't thwart the space program - we got to the moon by 1970, just like he wanted. I also couldn't find any evidence of a launch that was delayed/cancelled because of his assassination.
And the whole evolution used to get to dark side of the moon is illogical. Lets review...
Clue #1: A trip to space thwarted by a speckled lad's demise. A watershed moment otherwise. A trip to space, or a trip to the moon. A speckled lad, or the man on the moon with craters and all. The speckled lad's demise, or when the moon gets dark.
The trip was thwarted, therefore it never happened. I have no idea what makes anyone think that a speckled lad = a man on the moon. This person's demise being the moon getting dark is also incredibly weak.
It doesn't make much sense any more delby, does it? Well does it? I couldn't hear you delby, does it still make sense? Im waiting for your answer delby...
I would love to see some form of Pink Floyd on the farm, believe me. However, at this point, nothing; this clue included, hints that either of those acts are even probable for 2011. So forgive me for dismissing the Roger Waters and David Gilmore rumors / ideas as wishful thinking, but I would rather everyone not be butthurt when the lineup is released (Like last year)
I don't think David Gilmore will be there. I don't think the clue refers to any member of Pink Floyd at all. I was just saying that the explanation given makes more sense then most of the others. You were the one who got all pissy about it first. Now let me explain.
A trip to space thwarted by a speckled lad's demise. A watershed moment otherwise.
1) A trip to space To travel outside the atmosphere of Earth. 2) Thwarted Thwarted does mean "to oppose successfully," but it can also mean "to cross." 3) by a speckled Speckled means covered in spots. 4) lad A member of the male gender. Boy, guy, dude, Man. 5) demise To die/ cease to exist 6) A watershed moment otherwise. A turning point after which nothing is the same.
Now let's examine how this relates to Dark Side of the Moon/Pink Floyd.
The first two points could be referring to traveling to where a speckled lad met his demise. We traveled into space and crossed by a speckled lad's demise. Next we move on the to the speckled lad. A man covered in spots. The man in the moon is an illusion created by shadows in craters. The craters are the spots on the man in moon. Then we move on to demise. How does the man in the moon die? He ceases to exist when the moon goes dark. That's where we arrive at the Dark Side of the Moon. Now the last part could be referring to how Pink Floyd reached mainstream success with the album and were never the same band afterwards.
I know it's reaching and I don't even believe that any member of Pink Floyd is going to be there, but that is a logical interpretation of the clue. I just found someone else's argument for it being a Pink Floyd member sound, and you attacked me, jhammett. I meant no ill will to you at all, but I was frustrated, and I just couldn't take it anymore. Now let this be over.
Come on, the whole "You'd have to be high for that to make sense" comment was a joke. I dismissed the idea, only because the theory behind it doesn't add up, especially the speckled lad and the demise. I only got "pissy" from this comment: "Do they, jhammett? Do they have an album titled Dark Side of the Moon? No, they don't. I was talking about how her explanation could work for Gilmore because Waters is going to be over seas and it takes so long for his stage to be sat up. Watch yourself, delby's got teeth." So I decided to fight back.
Anywho,
I still believe that McCartney adds up. It could be Bowie, but that just seems way too easy. It could also be a reference to Interstella 5555: The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem, an anime film set to Daft Punk's Discovery album, but it's been a really long time since I have watched it.
How did Richard Branson thwart Muse's trip to space?
Richard Branson represents Virgin Airlines. Because of things going in the economy and because of the technological logistics of an actual concert in space, everyone realizes that the possiblity of it happening sometime rather SOON has been thwarted. Bellamy from Muse is quoted in that article saying that "it would happen in my lifetime but not anytime soon". So thus-- the watershed moment is clearly the fact that at somepoint in the distant future, we'll be able to see a concert in space.
Richard Branson's, our speckled lad's, demise is the fact that he wants to do a concert in space and wants virgin airlines to be succesful and it's just not happening right now.
So here's my version of the clue with my pieces filled in:
"So Muse's trip to space was thwarted by a speckled lad named Richard Bronson representing Virgin Airlines, and his demise is his failing company and unattainable dreams. it WOULD be a watershed moment otherwse, but unfortunately it just ain't happening right now."
Muse has said they want to perform in Branson's shuttle doing a concert in space.
I dig it
we got to Muse quite some time ago and it kinda got ignored, this was a different way to look at it though.....
or the specled lads demise could be Branson losing some money by ALL of his Virgin Megastores closing over the last few years, therefore not having the funding to be able to pull off a Muse show in space
commercial spacetravel could be seen as "a watershed moment".....
not sure where to go from there but virgin records have had deals with bands such as "Genesis", "The Sex Pistols", "The Rolling Stones" and "Simple Minds"......
just thinking out loud, let me know if anyone can do somethin with this
Post by BrokenLight on Jan 11, 2011 22:38:30 GMT -5
i believe you gardenfresh. and for the record i don't like muse but have been saying for months they'd be at bonnaroo this year. it just kinda seems like common sense to me. look at that last tour, the last album, the upcoming grammys. they're this year's version of the kings of leon.
How about space = a band's rise...as in a speckled band member's demise prevented this band from taking off at first, but are a better band now with the replacement as it was a watershed moment.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 11, 2011 22:39:46 GMT -5
Did Kennedy actually have freckles? I have no idea...being Irish it wouldn't be impossible, I just never noticed them in any pictures.
Similarly, I'm not seeing any freckles on this Branson dude either.
There's no alliteration or rhyming or ANYTHING in the clue that would limit or influence word choice. I don't know why Katie/whoever would have said "speckled" if she didn't mean it, y'know?
Post by ecu2bonnaroo on Jan 11, 2011 22:42:35 GMT -5
Big speculation for my first post but I think its Furthur. The trip to space that was thwarted by a speckled lads demise was the Grateful Dead coming to and end with Jerry's death....maybe? Most people agree that the Dead were a watershed moment in music.
Post by rapunzel41 on Jan 11, 2011 22:43:25 GMT -5
My first post to the boards is going to be my guess. So here it goes... Danger Mouse (in some form, probably Broken Bells)!
Danger Mouse and Sparklehorse were going to release Dark Night of the Soul, but the CD almost never got released because of legal issues. Mark Linkous of Sparklehose committed suicide in March of 2010. I'm trying to find the watershed moment in this though, maybe he hooked up with someone who knows U2's people through the recording of Dark Night of the Soul because he's now producing their new album.