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^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh so not true. Although Phish is certainly the only band that ever and will ever hold its own fest. where no other band but them play and draw in 70K + they certainly were not the ones to prove economic viability for a large scale festival. I mean I have been going to music festivals since 1985 (US Fest) and granted most do not approach the 80K level, (although that one did) but they still have shown economic viability on a smaller scale. What about these huge (mostly metal) fests they throw in Europe? They certainly make money every year. So, yes, in some ways Phish has continually proven that 80k+ freaks can get together for a weekend camp and have fun and the band can make $ but other large scale fests have proven this can happen way before Phish did. Maybe "roo and many other fests. were enevitable with the demise of Phish but I like to think that things were going that way anyway.
I personally have hit many many more music fests before 2002 than after..(my son was born in '02 and that put a damper on my festy participation) including Phish fests Lemonwheel Big Cypress
but also fests like... (all before 2000)
High Sierra (4x) Telluride Bluegrass (2x) Merle fest (1x) winterhawk (3x) Strawberry (2x) Rockygrass (5x) Laguna Seca Days (1x) Rocks fest (2x) wOODSTOCK '94, '99 although economically viable total disaster otherwise, I'm sure you've all heard the stories Jazz fest (2x) I am sure I am forgetting a few and I certanly left out a few smaller ones that I've been to as well but you get the point and most of these fest are still going on today. So while I give credit to Phish I can't go with the statement that they were the first to prove that a large scale festy could make money. And the "without Trey, Roo wouldn't exist" statement is a bit pretentious and I can not give lots of credit to. Although I agree with the roots of the fest being grounded in bands like Phish, Dead, Panic, ABB
I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right---P.T. Barnum "As I was walking up the stairs I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish to God he'd go away."
Well all the ones you mentioned were either not camping, or much smaller than Bonnaroo. Glastonbury did do it first however the logistics in Europe are very different than those in the US. I started seeing the Dead in 93-94, and to my knowledge there was nothing else like it out there. After that I felt the same way about Phish. I still feel those two bands are what created an environment that made mega-fests like Bonnaroo possible in the US.
I was at woodstock 94, and thank god not at 99, but I do not really count either of them. Both lost money, and if anything delayed the evolution of the mega fest it was those two ill-themed adventures.
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Well all the ones you mentioned were either not camping, or much smaller than Bonnaroo. Glastonbury did do it first however the logistics in Europe are very different than those in the US. I started seeing the Dead in 93-94, and to my knowledge there was nothing else like it out there. After that I felt the same way about Phish. I still feel those two bands are what created an environment that made mega-fests like Bonnaroo possible in the US.
I was at woodstock 94, and thank god not at 99, but I do not really count either of them. Both lost money, and if anything delayed the evolution of the mega fest it was those two ill-themed adventures.
Every single one of the fests I mentioned are camping fests. aside from Jazz fest. And I already stated that they , for the most part, are smaller than 'roo. Rocks fest is actually bigger(90-100K). Irregardless the concept and principle is the same, and the point was to show that there have certainly been successful fests. going on long before Phish had any kind of fanbase at all. Showing that they did not create the festival scene in any way.
As for Glastonbury how are the logistics any different here than over there? On another note you may not realise or not want to (its not my thing but...) there are huge country music fests that go on, in this country, that are far larger than 'roo and were taking place way before any of the 'majors' of today esp. 'roo itself.
'93-'94 ?? are you kidding me?? maybe I am confused...nothing out there like what?? a Deadshow? a Phish show? or just music fests. in general? Of course there was and never will be anything like a Dead show, Phish tries to come close but falls a little short. Both groups should be respected for what they have done for the music community at large indeed. But in no way did either one of these groups create the mega-fest. Frankly the mega-fest is pretty much the opposite of what they both created as they both had their own traveling circus and did not do other fests with dozens of other bands. As far as music fests. go they have been going on since the mid-sixties in various incarnations and sizes with their conception attributed more to promotors like Bill Graham than any one musical group.
Oh believe me I only put Woodstock up as an example of a 'mega'-fest which preceded 'roo and any of Phish's fests. I am well aware of the negative impact they both had to fests. overall. I have many horror stories of behind the scenes and in front of scene goings-on that would make you sick. I and friends of mine lost lots of money vending the '99 one (other friends of mine in fact lost their business because of that horribly run fest) '94 was a little better we made a little money.
I think I know what your trying to say, Believe me having seen the Dead 170x and Phish 60x they are certainly both at the top of my favorite list and as stated have done a lot for the advancement of the industry in general. But to say that they are the reason for these festivals existence is plain pretentious and arrogant.
I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right---P.T. Barnum "As I was walking up the stairs I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish to God he'd go away."
Post by neighborhooodcreep on Feb 25, 2009 1:26:39 GMT -5
This is copied from Spike's "9 bands with the worst fans"
Phish fans came in at #2 for the worst fans
-------------------------------------------- I’m gonna have to start out by saying that this band is one of the most overrated acts in the history of music. The fact that people follow this band all around the world so they can catch every single note Phish creates is simply unbelievable.
On of my biggest problems with their fans is the fact that they’re mostly rich white kids from New England trying to grow dreadlocks and live the so-called "hippie lifestyle." Do me a favor and take a count of all the Range Rovers in the parking lot the next time you catch one of their shows. On second thought, skip the show.
The other thing that drives me insane is the way the fans act like Phish is the only important/relevant band on the planet. They are literally some of the most close-minded people when it comes to music. All they do is completely dedicate themselves to Phish and no one else. How many more times do you really need to listen to “Bounce Around the Room?” Answer: Zero.
They also act like they care about the well-being of the world, when all they really do is eat mushrooms, smoke weed, and drive around the U.S. following Phish. Way to start the revolution, f***ers.
Juggernaut.. it was a slight misuse of words.. I didn't mean it was solely created by and for Trey, but the biggies that were involved, Trey being a part of that.. sorry for the confusion.
This is copied from Spike's "9 bands with the worst fans"
Phish fans came in at #2 for the worst fans
-------------------------------------------- I’m gonna have to start out by saying that this band is one of the most overrated acts in the history of music. The fact that people follow this band all around the world so they can catch every single note Phish creates is simply unbelievable.
On of my biggest problems with their fans is the fact that they’re mostly rich white kids from New England trying to grow dreadlocks and live the so-called "hippie lifestyle." Do me a favor and take a count of all the Range Rovers in the parking lot the next time you catch one of their shows. On second thought, skip the show.
The other thing that drives me insane is the way the fans act like Phish is the only important/relevant band on the planet. They are literally some of the most close-minded people when it comes to music. All they do is completely dedicate themselves to Phish and no one else. How many more times do you really need to listen to “Bounce Around the Room?” Answer: Zero.
They also act like they care about the well-being of the world, when all they really do is eat mushrooms, smoke weed, and drive around the U.S. following Phish. Way to start the revolution, f***ers.
Instead of dirt and poison, we have rather chosen to fill our hives with honey and wax; thus furnishing mankind with the two noblest of things, which are sweetness and light.
I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right---P.T. Barnum "As I was walking up the stairs I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish to God he'd go away."
phish at bonnaroo is going to be a LOT of fun. i think the people who say their 'roo performances won't be highly attended are foolish. and Phish late-night? this could very well be a set that goes down in their long, storied history.
Post by drgreenthumb19 on Mar 2, 2009 2:07:50 GMT -5
ha its funny that you say there wont be a lot of phish fans there... at least 90% of the people at bonnaroo are phish fans man... cause like mmj, they are a perfect bonnaroo band.. ha i cant wait to get my face melted by trey.. TWICE!
OP of this thread is friggin ignorant as all hell.
I could make up some crazy claims about Radiohead (whom I like as well as Phish) too.
to diss Phish on a Roo message board.. well, it kind of goes to show how far the message of Roo has strayed over the years. That festival was essentially created by and for Trey Anastasio...
furthermore, it's okay to not like Phish they are a very acquired taste, but show some friggin respect to the band that helped create this scene, and the guy who helped create Roo.
Without Trey, Roo wouldn't exist, plain and simple.
exactly...now can we get this over with.
I'm not a huge die hard Phish fan but I think they are an amazing band and the biggest reason I will be attending Roo this year.
I pretty much dont like people that can't respect others opinions...Phish fan or not.