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Post by magnoliabread on May 2, 2007 14:37:32 GMT -5
It gets me down - - all this thinking about categorizing people. :/
Hurts my brain trying to figure it out, not knowing where I would fit in, how good people would be judged otherwise, etc.
Seriously, I'd think that Bonnaroo fans (*seemingly musically diverse & open-minded in general), would be the least likely to think like this. *I realize this is a stereotype, also, but at least it's a positive one!
That said, I lol-ed at Dan's comment about Toby Keith. But, in a case like that, it would be the artist, not the fans, that would keep me away.
I doubt you will see a mosh pit pop up - I think someone else may have mentioned it - but Maynard will ask them to stop.
stuckinutero said it best - Coachella and Bonnaroo are two different festivals. I was amazed when I looked at pictures from Coachella this year. Everyone is dressed so nice and they are so clean, even their campsites are nice grass, flat with chalk outlines to show them where they should camp.
I just don't see things being any different then they were last year - alot of Radiohead's fans are way different then your typical "jamband" crowd also - and there was no problem. Not all Toolheads are screaming, raging idiots. (me for example - I am pretty laidback and like all music - but LOVE Tool)
that is one reason i actually brought it up ... i have been to coachella two times and compaired to the roo, it is like disneyland ... where you camp is the polo fields of nice plush grass all trimed .. you get all the so kali people dressed to the max ... but it was different this year ... so i guess time will tell .. actually here is my comment about coachella and i think there is some truth to it ...
Let me put my slant on this and then you can tell me to f off …. Maybe it is just the times we are in … I saw ratm a number of times, back in the day when they were even more radical … tool also, and I am going to catch them next month at the roo … I don’t expect any trouble, but then bonnaroo is totally different then Coachella .. it may not be so much metal heads/tool/ratm people as I said but the climate of America now … we have not been this divided as a people since the late 60’s … people are on edge because of the war … it’s a total us vs. them attitude now, and if you don’t agree with “us” then it’s a fight …. The laze faire attitude of the last 15 years is giving way to the radical thoughts and actions of some of the people … I am not even saying that is bad, but it is more pervasive then it has been in a generation … (I was at the riots of ws99 but I consider that an aberration because of the heat and the location) .. so just a thought .. cr***** lets hope i am wrong about the "climate change"
If this is true, then I can't wait to see what happens when Wayne Coyne from the Flaming Lips goes on his f**k Bush rant!
Anyways, I strongly feel that Tool will help make this one of the best Bonnaroo's ever!!!!!!!!! And I'm not even a devoted fan. But damn I can't wait to see this show for the first time ever at Bonnaroo!! ;D
"Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience and rebellion that progress has been made." Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900), The Soul of Man Under Socialism
"You're either on the bus or off the bus." Ken Kesey
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson
ive been listening to more tool lately - to get in the mood. I still feel they have a dark slant that is different than just about every other band at roo. "i want to watch things die...from a distance" is not a lyric you're going to hear from Ratdog, for instance.
i've been wondering about the Police impact, but i think thier fans are not likely to grab a tent and schlep ass to Tennessee. I think that crowd will be well-represented in VIP though...and I don't know if that's really a bad thing
Post by poopzilla33 on May 2, 2007 14:42:48 GMT -5
tools music is deffintly different, which is cool; i like diversity. if you're not into tool enoguh to think they'll ruin roo just don't see them. theres plenty of other thigns to do
I know this has probably been said, but the whole point to TOOL's music is completely different than Rage. Tool tries to make people think, they don't want assholes in their crowd, they don't like when people mosh to their music.
ive been listening to more tool lately - to get in the mood. I still feel they have a dark slant that is different than just about every other band at roo. "i want to watch things die...from a distance" is not a lyric you're going to hear from Ratdog, for instance.
Which is a comment on society vicariously living life through their tv set.
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
By George Varga and Helen Gao UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS
August 6, 2006
More than a dozen concertgoers were sent to area hospitals last night after a crowd disturbance at Street Scene 2006, a large music festival held in the parking lot of Qualcomm Stadium.
The melee happened during the headlining performance by Los Angeles rock band Tool.
There were few details on the incident, but witnesses reported seeing a stream of fans being carried out on stretchers.
“We've had quite a few injuries,” said San Diego fire Battalion Chief Chris Brainard, shortly before midnight. “We have probably 15 patients transferred to area hospitals and we're still making determinations on (the condition of) others.”
Brainard attributed the injuries to the thousands of fans packed near the front of Street Scene's Zaranda Stage, where Tool began its performance at 10:36 last night.
Advertisement The crush of fans grew so great that midway through the band's second song, lead singer Maynard James Keenan stopped singing and said: “Step back so you don't get trampled. It's just rock.”
Keenan repeatedly implored the crowd to step back, even before a uniformed city official conferred with him on stage.
“If you all take a few steps back we can keep playing,” Keenan told the audience at 10:52. The crowd moved back.
A few minutes later, Keenan said: “Look out for your brothers and sisters. No one has to die in rock 'n' roll.”
He and his band then played on, concluding their performance at midnight.
Last night was not the first time that excited Street Scene fans have been hurt. In 2004, a Friday night show featuring the band AFI drew such a large crowd that a metal barrier near the front of the stage collapsed.
Fans piled up and some were transported to local trauma centers. Fifteen more people were treated on site, but none of the injuries were life-threatening.
Street Scene, which began in 1984, drew more than 37,000 people last night. The two-day festival drew an estimated 70,000 people, according to a preliminary estimate.
Besides Tool, other headliners included Snoop Dogg and The Yeah Yeah Yeahs.
After two decades, Street Scene outgrew its downtown venue. Last year it moved to the Qualcomm Stadium parking lot in Mission Valley, which has 2.5 million square feet of space to accommodate its multiple stages.
The Street Scene package in today's Arts section was completed 90 minutes before Tool's performance began.
And the only way Tool can ruin Bonnaroo, would be not showing up.
Every band has a small percentage of fans that are not like the vast majority, Tool's vast majority are NOT "metalheads". Usually the only time there is a problem with the crowd going nuts, is when Tool is playing a festival with a crowd of people that are not the typical Tool fan. Bonnaroo would be the exception as the crowd is not angry European youth trying to rebel against society...
I am a fan of alot of Metal, and if I want to listen to something along those lines, Tool is not even a consideration.
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
No, but they will melt some acid-tripping faces, that's for sure. the Spectacle of the Tool show will be one of the most mind-bending things that the Roo has seen to date. I get to see them in 2 weeks indoors too. I'll report back on the show.
Post by jambandfan83 on May 2, 2007 15:00:47 GMT -5
i also do not think it will be an issue. the same thing was said last year about radiohead and radiohead fans, and it obviously didn't play out in any sort of negative way.
I have to say that when I first heard that Tool was a headliner, I had to do some research because I never heard of the band (ok, I'm 45 yrs old and don't get out all that much) Anyway, when I told my friends about Tool playing, their initial reaction was to say that it might bring in the "rowdy crowd." Since then I have listened to some Tool material and it isn't my cup of tea either. I don't think Tool will do anything to the Roo vibe and while they are playing, me and my buds will either be at the Troo Lounge or resting for the late night festivities which is where the real fun begins anyway. That's at least three open spots for the rest of you to fit a bit more comfortably...
By George Varga and Helen Gao UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS
August 6, 2006
More than a dozen concertgoers were sent to area hospitals last night after a crowd disturbance at Street Scene 2006, a large music festival held in the parking lot of Qualcomm Stadium.
The melee happened during the headlining performance by Los Angeles rock band Tool.
There were few details on the incident, but witnesses reported seeing a stream of fans being carried out on stretchers.
“We've had quite a few injuries,” said San Diego fire Battalion Chief Chris Brainard, shortly before midnight. “We have probably 15 patients transferred to area hospitals and we're still making determinations on (the condition of) others.”
Brainard attributed the injuries to the thousands of fans packed near the front of Street Scene's Zaranda Stage, where Tool began its performance at 10:36 last night.
Advertisement The crush of fans grew so great that midway through the band's second song, lead singer Maynard James Keenan stopped singing and said: “Step back so you don't get trampled. It's just rock.”
Keenan repeatedly implored the crowd to step back, even before a uniformed city official conferred with him on stage.
“If you all take a few steps back we can keep playing,” Keenan told the audience at 10:52. The crowd moved back.
A few minutes later, Keenan said: “Look out for your brothers and sisters. No one has to die in rock 'n' roll.”
He and his band then played on, concluding their performance at midnight.
Last night was not the first time that excited Street Scene fans have been hurt. In 2004, a Friday night show featuring the band AFI drew such a large crowd that a metal barrier near the front of the stage collapsed.
Fans piled up and some were transported to local trauma centers. Fifteen more people were treated on site, but none of the injuries were life-threatening.
Street Scene, which began in 1984, drew more than 37,000 people last night. The two-day festival drew an estimated 70,000 people, according to a preliminary estimate.
Besides Tool, other headliners included Snoop Dogg and The Yeah Yeah Yeahs.
After two decades, Street Scene outgrew its downtown venue. Last year it moved to the Qualcomm Stadium parking lot in Mission Valley, which has 2.5 million square feet of space to accommodate its multiple stages.
The Street Scene package in today's Arts section was completed 90 minutes before Tool's performance began.
The point of this was???? Maynard tried to get them to back up and the article goes on to say that it happened at the same festival for AFI (of all bands)
Post by AintNoFreedom on May 2, 2007 15:17:49 GMT -5
Ok, first off... I LOVE RATM, but I'd say in general, I'm pretty laid back. So to say that their fans could ruin 'Roo is a little offensive. It must be said that Coachella is a much more "Hollywood" or "white hat" type of festival. No worries of their crowd being the same as 'Roo in my mind. But, to me this fear of Tool is just the typical "if they're not jam bands... they don't belong headlining 'Roo" type of complex.
People will get over it... Tool will bring it... and you will fall to your knees and praise them.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by masshysteria on May 2, 2007 15:27:48 GMT -5
I have also heard that Tool prefers to have seats everywhere for their shows so people are not as capable of moshing. Of course this is not going to affect roo since there are no seats, but Tool does not want that atmosphere anymore. They want the audience to feel, taste, see the music now, not just fans "rocking out" to their harder parts.
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
Post by mindexpansi0n on May 2, 2007 15:30:00 GMT -5
Yes, there will be a *few* sterotypical tool fans in black baseball caps turned backwards and wearing armbands and calling everyone "bra" while they walk in groups with their high school pre-frat brother buddies... but honestly, I don't think they will have much of a dent in the atmosphere at Bonnaroo. I do like Tool - especially their psychedelic rock vibe... not so big on screaming and bumping into people - I'm excited about their show, should be fun.
tools music is deffintly different, which is cool; i like diversity. if you're not into tool enoguh to think they'll ruin roo just don't see them. theres plenty of other thigns to do
well in the end i think all will be well and fine. but tool deinitely takes the isssue to a different arena then dave and radiohead. i agree that most asshats wont deal with roo for tool. but again this year its not just tool. clutch is in their too. and maybe some smaller acts im not familiar with. and we saw the type of weeners that ween can draw. throw in dierks bently, the white stripes, fountains of wayne, etc.. and in my opinion this has the potential to completely change the roo crowd, in what is for me, a negative way. maybe, maybe not. we will see. personally if rage was together and playing shows at the top of their game id much rather see them at roo. but i am excited for tool. not my normal listening preference but it should be a great show. the biggest threat i see to tool having a negative effect on the roo vibe is if maynard takes off on a rant bashing hippies like he as atleast once in the past at a fest.
if string cheese or a keller williams incident is a friday latenight, along with sts9, i think tool could end up having the smallest friday headliner crowd in roo history. i want to see tool because im sure its an experience. but a good spot for kwi or sci would be more important to me. in the end i think roo will be the same great time it always is. but i think we will notice that it is just another big step away from roo traditon and towards whatever kind of giant profit machine they are trying to create. oh well its all a small concern when ya think about all the positives of roo. im not going to waste too much time this year worrying about the tiny possibility of some tiny negatives. i assure you that our positive vibes will far out weigh any negative vibes brought by asshats. roo is a big place and if the vibes no good where im at ill move 75 feet and find the good vibes im looking for.
Post by herbalicious on May 2, 2007 15:42:59 GMT -5
^^agreed, my friends and I are planning on watching maybe an hour of tool then heading over to the cheese/sts9 tent to get a good spot...I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones with that idea. that's the great thing about roo, if one band isn't your cup of tea there's always other options.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on May 2, 2007 15:46:51 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
we saw the type of weeners that ween can draw.
I can assure you the Ween forumers you had a run in with will not be at Bonnaroo, for Ween or anyone else. They are more interested in F-ing w/ people in cyberspace than in real life. Anyway, this is Ween's 3rd apperance at Roo, and I don't recall the last two being plagued by malicious pranksters.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by melikecheese on May 2, 2007 15:48:34 GMT -5
I am on the fence with this issue, part of me says don't judge bands fan, dont stereotype, but its only human. The other half of me worries that Tool will draw some fans that don't share that love of life and people attitude that most Roo goers seem to have. (sorry but the friends I have who are big Tool fans are typically metal fans and really not the nicest friendliest people) Regardless I think the best thing I can do is have an open mind and not judge the situation or the fans of any band. I cannot predict the future so I will let the future tell me how it will go down. I think all we can do is wait and see what happens. If everyone is nice to the Tool fans and treats them with respect I believe they will show everyone the same respect as well.
Post by destination5250 on May 2, 2007 15:49:13 GMT -5
my friends and I are planning on watching maybe an hour of tool then heading over to the cheese/sts9 tent to get a good spot...I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones with that idea.
thats if you can get out of the trance that Tool is going to put everybody in.
Post by masshysteria on May 2, 2007 15:57:39 GMT -5
But one thing you cannot deny is the talent that they have, the vision they have as a band, and the fact that they are not a mainstream band yet have tons of respect from everyone in the industry. I would love to see Maynard or any of the members of tool stick around and jam with someone else, but I do not for see that happening. But here is a good question. Would you veteran rooers rather see A Perfect Circle or Tool at roo?
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
I can assure you the Ween forumers you had a run in with will not be at Bonnaroo, for Ween or anyone else. They are more interested in F-ing w/ people in cyberspace than in real life. Anyway, this is Ween's 3rd apperance at Roo, and I don't recall the last two being plagued by malicious pranksters.
i agree. i saw them at allgood and had no problems at all. but some of them will be there. and if they combine with the other bands "some of thems' it could make the perfect storm. unlikely but possible. if ever there was a chance for fights, destruction, and fires at roo this year would have to be the most likely to have it happen. but again its not very likely. id put it much closer to impossible then possible. but it could happen
a) Tool is not metal. They have never been metal. I know that a lot of you folks haven't been immersed in heavy metal, but just so you guys know...Tool's music does not in anyway cross the threshhold of "metal".
b) Anyone who has seen a Tool-headlined show can tell you just what it will be like. There will be no moshing. It is a completely different type of show than that. Besides, Tool only has at most TWO songs that are moshable at all, and one of them I'm absolutely positive that they wont play. You really don't have anything to worry about. Really.
c) If you're worried about moshing and stuff like that, You might want to focus on Clutch rather than Tool. There still may not be much moshing at all, but I can definitely see a pit occuring at some point during Clutch's set.
d) Moshing isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. If you're in a pit with real, experienced moshers (rather than fans that would be at a nu-metal or metalcore show) you really have nothing to worry about with regard to violence. Its just a fun time. Some people like to dance by themselves, some other people like to dance in groups...well, some other people like to do a more aggressive type of dancing (No, I'm not talking about hardcore dancing, still talking about moshing here). It's all just in how you let the music come through you. I prefer to dance to some bands, but other bands are just ment for moshing. It's not evil, its not dangerous (if you know what you're doing), its just different.
e) Just relax, and when they come on, try and enjoy it. I know there won't be any problems. If meathead people who caused trouble and liked Tool had enough extra money laying around, don't you think they'd probably go see Tool on their own tour, rather than on a festival that costs 6 times as much, and includes a bunch of bands that they probably wouldnt like? I mean, you usually don't see the "trouble starting" crowd of people being into stuff like Widespread Panic, The Flaming Lips, String Cheese Incident, Ben Harper, Wilco, etc. So I think they would definitely explore other options before spending $250+ to come to a festival for one or two bands that they like.
I am on the fence with this issue, part of me says don't judge bands fan, dont stereotype, but its only human. The other half of me worries that Tool will draw some fans that don't share that love of life and people attitude that most Roo goers seem to have. (sorry but the friends I have who are big Tool fans are typically metal fans and really not the nicest friendliest people)
i also agree with this. i dont invite all of my friends to go to fests. only the ones that i think are into the vibe and want to be apart of it. i have friends that listen to tool and a bunch of other stuff like tool and they like to get drunk and act like assholes. its fine to deal with every few weeks at a party but its another thing to have that at a festival. so i dont invite them. just wouldnt fit the vibe. on the other hand alot of my friends that are great epopel that are all about the vibe also enjoy tool. so im not saying all tool fans by anymeans.
Well thx for all your comments …. That is why I asked …. I think a lot of people misinterpreted why I was asking though … I saw tool the first time almost 15 years ago when they toured with ratm … seems like they were at lolla then .. tygerlady and myself have seen a perfect circle a couple of times, so we have seen variations of tool also … I guess I should really have not said metal, but hard rock back then and prog (sort of) now … fans of elp and yes might argue with that … my question came out of the trouble that they did have at Coachella and how it affected some of the people there … as questioned earlier, I thought there wasn’t too much trouble but for Coachella, it was noticeable … a couple of tents set on fire, some arrests of their fans, police helicopters flying over saying “if you are in your tent, don’t come out or you will be arrested” at 400 in the morning … it was just unusual for there … tool in the past had that same sort of following to a degree that rage does .. yes their fans have changed some, but some have not, and it would depend on what they play (most likely not some of their earliest stuff) … will they ruin it for me, of course not … I have been going to concerts longer then the majority of the people here on the board have been born, and been called a hippie longer then even some of your parents have been born (I think the first time was in 67 when I got back from Japan and went thru the summer of love in the bay) … I have never had a bad time at a festival, and I can count on my hands the number of bad concerts’ I have went to out of over a 1,000 probably … metal or hard rock, jammy or jazz, doesn’t matter …, tygerlady and myself will hit up ozz fest this year, and we have gone to a few vans warp tours … its all good music to me … even the “redneck” location .. hey I lived in Nashville, Smyrna, and Murfreesbourgh sp for over 7 years so I know the south and Tennessee especially (and back then, hippies did get looked down on and hassled) … and to compare last years ranting about will Radiohead ruin the roo, is a pretty lame comparison to say the least … so I was just posing a question that I thought might be a little thought provoking and timely … maybe say more the hummmm “what is your favorite cereal” peace and good karma to all of you and see you at the roo … cr****
