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Your last point is why trying to figure out who will be on the lineup has been more of a challenge this year. We're still not 100% sure if any of the previous Crash Line curators stuck around post-acquisition. C3 allowed Shaky Knees to keep it's alternative/indie focus, so maybe BC will remain genre-fluid (they've had rap, alternative, indie, americana, metal, electronic, jam, and pop acts as headliners/sub-headliners/blue stage closers (sub-sub-headliners?/counter-programming?) since moving to Harvard).
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
Your last point is why trying to figure out who will be on the lineup has been more of a challenge this year. We're still not 100% sure if any of the previous Crash Line curators stuck around post-acquisition. C3 allowed Shaky Knees to keep it's alternative/indie focus, so maybe BC will remain genre-fluid (they've had rap, alternative, indie, americana, metal, electronic, jam, and pop acts as headliners/sub-headliners/blue stage closers (sub-sub-headliners?/counter-programming?) since moving to Harvard).
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
considering how I feel about the 22 and 23 lineups I’m not super optimistic hearing this
Your last point is why trying to figure out who will be on the lineup has been more of a challenge this year. We're still not 100% sure if any of the previous Crash Line curators stuck around post-acquisition. C3 allowed Shaky Knees to keep it's alternative/indie focus, so maybe BC will remain genre-fluid (they've had rap, alternative, indie, americana, metal, electronic, jam, and pop acts as headliners/sub-headliners/blue stage closers (sub-sub-headliners?/counter-programming?) since moving to Harvard).
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
this is like when LN bought Bonnaroo and everyone tried to convince themselves that Ashley Capps would still be personally selecting the lineups
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
considering how I feel about the 22 and 23 lineups I’m not super optimistic hearing this
i thought 2022 was really great. sure maybe not the most diverse lineup, but they were trying to appease the people who had held onto 2020 tickets and had to stick with something stylistically similar. 2023 was def not my favorite, probably second-least favorite lineup behind the Travis Scott/Twenty One Pilots year, but i still went all 3 days and had a blast.
if i had to guess, i would think Livenation has the biggest hand in booking headliners and maybe second-line sorta names, because they can make deals with artists to play all 4 or 5 (or whatever it is) of their big festivals in a given year. that's where i think we are going to lose out and end up with Billie Eilish or Post Malone or something i dont really care for. but really, headliners are the least important part of a festival for me. i'm a mile away from the stage and i'm tired and drunk, so as long as it's not somebody awful (i.e., travis scott, twenty one pilots) then i dont think it's that important, as long as the undercard is good
considering how I feel about the 22 and 23 lineups I’m not super optimistic hearing this
i thought 2022 was really great. sure maybe not the most diverse lineup, but they were trying to appease the people who had held onto 2020 tickets and had to stick with something stylistically similar. 2023 was def not my favorite, probably second-least favorite lineup behind the Travis Scott/Twenty One Pilots year, but i still went all 3 days and had a blast.
if i had to guess, i would think Livenation has the biggest hand in booking headliners and maybe second-line sorta names, because they can make deals with artists to play all 4 or 5 (or whatever it is) of their big festivals in a given year. that's where i think we are going to lose out and end up with Billie Eilish or Post Malone or something i dont really care for. but really, headliners are the least important part of a festival for me. i'm a mile away from the stage and i'm tired and drunk, so as long as it's not somebody awful (i.e., travis scott, twenty one pilots) then i dont think it's that important, as long as the undercard is good
go ahead and cross check the undercard last year with all the other LN fests around the country and tell me what you find.
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
this is like when LN bought Bonnaroo and everyone tried to convince themselves that Ashley Capps would still be personally selecting the lineups
idk the bonnaroo history at all, but boston calling is so much smaller. it feels like shaky knees hasn't really changed much over the years, and i'd think/hope that boston calling would be set up to run more like that
considering how I feel about the 22 and 23 lineups I’m not super optimistic hearing this
i thought 2022 was really great. sure maybe not the most diverse lineup, but they were trying to appease the people who had held onto 2020 tickets and had to stick with something stylistically similar. 2023 was def not my favorite, probably second-least favorite lineup behind the Travis Scott/Twenty One Pilots year, but i still went all 3 days and had a blast.
if i had to guess, i would think Livenation has the biggest hand in booking headliners and maybe second-line sorta names, because they can make deals with artists to play all 4 or 5 (or whatever it is) of their big festivals in a given year. that's where i think we are going to lose out and end up with Billie Eilish or Post Malone or something i dont really care for. but really, headliners are the least important part of a festival for me. i'm a mile away from the stage and i'm tired and drunk, so as long as it's not somebody awful (i.e., travis scott, twenty one pilots) then i dont think it's that important, as long as the undercard is good
to me the fest had a pretty consistent booking identity through the 2010’s, I could reliably look at a lineup and see a few names that I genuinely like, high up and especially in the undercard. I think 2019 is the first year the bookings are noticeably worse, and a clear shift in booking strategy by the time 2020 comes around towards bigger headliners and a smaller undercard. Wouldn’t entirely be a problem but as the undercard has gotten smaller the quality has almost fully disappeared for me. Obviously the 2022 headliner chaos hurt the budget, but as of right now I don’t have trust in the booking team to look at 2023 undercard and go “yeah this needs major improvements”
i thought 2022 was really great. sure maybe not the most diverse lineup, but they were trying to appease the people who had held onto 2020 tickets and had to stick with something stylistically similar. 2023 was def not my favorite, probably second-least favorite lineup behind the Travis Scott/Twenty One Pilots year, but i still went all 3 days and had a blast.
if i had to guess, i would think Livenation has the biggest hand in booking headliners and maybe second-line sorta names, because they can make deals with artists to play all 4 or 5 (or whatever it is) of their big festivals in a given year. that's where i think we are going to lose out and end up with Billie Eilish or Post Malone or something i dont really care for. but really, headliners are the least important part of a festival for me. i'm a mile away from the stage and i'm tired and drunk, so as long as it's not somebody awful (i.e., travis scott, twenty one pilots) then i dont think it's that important, as long as the undercard is good
to me the fest had a pretty consistent booking identity through the 2010’s, I could reliably look at a lineup and see a few names that I genuinely like, high up and especially in the undercard. I think 2019 is the first year the bookings are noticeably worse, and a clear shift in booking strategy by the time 2020 comes around towards bigger headliners and a smaller undercard. Wouldn’t entirely be a problem but as the undercard has gotten smaller the quality has almost fully disappeared for me. Obviously the 2022 headliner chaos hurt the budget, but as of right now I don’t have trust in the booking team to look at 2023 undercard and go “yeah this needs major improvements”
I brought the budget component up in the 2023 thread, but this year's Friday lineup, even pre-YYYs dropping out had to be a budget play. Once you got past Niall Horan, the undercard just screamed cheap (personal tastes notwithstanding). As much as I love giving local artists opportunities with the Orange Stage, the 2023 iteration had local artists on the main stages too. That was clearly done for budget reasons. Looking back at the pre-2022 lineups, there were 16 national artists per day on Saturdays and Sundays (Fridays were 12 or 13, but started later), covering 3 stages and the days started almost 2 hours earlier. This year, it was 11 national artists across 3 stages each day, with an additional 5-6 local artists sprinkled between Orange and the other stages. I doubt they would go back to pre-2022 given the popularity of the Orange stage, but you could add a few more national artists and start Saturdays/Sundays earlier while keeping the Orange stage intact.
Your last point is why trying to figure out who will be on the lineup has been more of a challenge this year. We're still not 100% sure if any of the previous Crash Line curators stuck around post-acquisition. C3 allowed Shaky Knees to keep it's alternative/indie focus, so maybe BC will remain genre-fluid (they've had rap, alternative, indie, americana, metal, electronic, jam, and pop acts as headliners/sub-headliners/blue stage closers (sub-sub-headliners?/counter-programming?) since moving to Harvard).
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
Was this the same mutual friend or employee that was excited for the 2023 iteration? Any sense on their opinion of this year??
i thought 2022 was really great. sure maybe not the most diverse lineup, but they were trying to appease the people who had held onto 2020 tickets and had to stick with something stylistically similar. 2023 was def not my favorite, probably second-least favorite lineup behind the Travis Scott/Twenty One Pilots year, but i still went all 3 days and had a blast.
if i had to guess, i would think Livenation has the biggest hand in booking headliners and maybe second-line sorta names, because they can make deals with artists to play all 4 or 5 (or whatever it is) of their big festivals in a given year. that's where i think we are going to lose out and end up with Billie Eilish or Post Malone or something i dont really care for. but really, headliners are the least important part of a festival for me. i'm a mile away from the stage and i'm tired and drunk, so as long as it's not somebody awful (i.e., travis scott, twenty one pilots) then i dont think it's that important, as long as the undercard is good
to me the fest had a pretty consistent booking identity through the 2010’s, I could reliably look at a lineup and see a few names that I genuinely like, high up and especially in the undercard. I think 2019 is the first year the bookings are noticeably worse, and a clear shift in booking strategy by the time 2020 comes around towards bigger headliners and a smaller undercard. Wouldn’t entirely be a problem but as the undercard has gotten smaller the quality has almost fully disappeared for me. Obviously the 2022 headliner chaos hurt the budget, but as of right now I don’t have trust in the booking team to look at 2023 undercard and go “yeah this needs major improvements”
2016 was the major exception, when they went with the Sia/Robyn/Disclosure top line. A lot of people like me bought blind early bird, figuring that they'd get the usual indie rock headliners like The National, Vampire Weekend, My Morning Jacket, Death Cab, etc., and then were thrown for an absolute loop when the lineup dropped.
A possibility? I can see them closing Green or Blue (but they really don't feel like a Red closer. They'd need to either headline or occupy the Gizz spot of a Blue closer that overlaps with the Green headliner).
A possibility? I can see them closing Green or Blue (but they really don't feel like a Red closer. They'd need to either headline or occupy the Gizz spot of a Blue closer that overlaps with the Green headliner).
Innings Festival just released their 2024 lineups. Two weekends in AZ vs 1 and 1 with FL. Another C3 festival, so maybe there's some overlap. Only had Mt. Joy last year, but given this is the first full C3 year, maybe we'll see more.
Quite a few acts that were mentioned up thread - RHCP, Greta Van Fleet, Hozier, Chris Stapleton, Sheryl Crow.
I'd be good with Hozier, Jimmy Eat World and Bully. Maybe 311 for a nostalgia act early in the day.
Saw Cautious Clay and Phantogram at In Between Days, so good there. Plus, Phantogram did not impress me at all. Maybe it was the tiny stage (although The Beths were great on the same stage) or the fact that they kept calling out Boston, despite not being in Boston (I know - closest biggest city, but still), but they didn't seem into their performance.
Saw Hozier and Elle King at Iron Blossom in VA. Hozier was really good, but Elle King was awful and her fake southern accent made her even more ridiculous.
A possibility? I can see them closing Green or Blue (but they really don't feel like a Red closer. They'd need to either headline or occupy the Gizz spot of a Blue closer that overlaps with the Green headliner).
A possibility? I can see them closing Green or Blue (but they really don't feel like a Red closer. They'd need to either headline or occupy the Gizz spot of a Blue closer that overlaps with the Green headliner).
Innings Festival just released their 2024 lineups. Two weekends in AZ vs 1 and 1 with FL. Another C3 festival, so maybe there's some overlap. Only had Mt. Joy last year, but given this is the first full C3 year, maybe we'll see more.
Quite a few acts that were mentioned up thread - RHCP, Greta Van Fleet, Hozier, Chris Stapleton, Sheryl Crow.
I'd be good with Hozier, Jimmy Eat World and Bully. Maybe 311 for a nostalgia act early in the day.
Saw Cautious Clay and Phantogram at In Between Days, so good there. Plus, Phantogram did not impress me at all. Maybe it was the tiny stage (although The Beths were great on the same stage) or the fact that they kept calling out Boston, despite not being in Boston (I know - closest biggest city, but still), but they didn't seem into their performance.
Saw Hozier and Elle King at Iron Blossom in VA. Hozier was really good, but Elle King was awful and her fake southern accent made her even more ridiculous.
Chris Stapleton must be out because he'll be playing at some country music festivals.
I am 99% sure that Crash Line still employs the person who was the lead talent booker for the 2022-2023 festivals. (We have mutual friends. I saw him out at a bar last night, actually.) I am sure Livenation has a say, and maybe a big one, but it seems like the Crash Line guys still have a huge part in booking and operations.
Was this the same mutual friend or employee that was excited for the 2023 iteration? Any sense on their opinion of this year??
I dont know the employee well enough to pry or ask about it, and he definitely is hesitant to talk about it. I think he actively doesn't want people to know he works there because too many people then ask for info/tickets/favors/etc. I didn't get time with the mutual friend of ours to see if he knows anything or what he thinks, it was a loud crowded event. I don't think he'd tell me names, but he'd maybe give me a hint or two in the right situation. He also might not know anything yet. I run into him like once a month or so. That being said, this is also a public forum and i dont want to get anyone in trouble, as i'm sure there are NDAs involved with signings and stuff... so i'll see what i can do.
1/16: L'Impératrice 1/30: Jamie xx 2/1: DJ Seinfeld 2/7: Mild Minds* 3/1: Father John Misty* 3/4: knock2 3/7: Inhaler* 3/19: Confidence Man 3/23: DARKSIDE 5/8: Rüfüs Du Sol
I keep updating this list from page 9. Is there a way to add it to page 1, even though the thread starter (Zack) isn't on the board anymore?
Strong Possibility Tyler Childers Yard Act Hozier Allison Russell Sierra Ferrell
Maybe (based on no Boston dates on announced tours or announced festivals that have shared acts in the past) Indigo de Souza Fleet Foxes Courtney Barnett Greta Van Fleet Mount Kimbie Silversun Pickups The Gaslight Anthem IDLES Jeff Rosenstock Sylvan Esso
Most Likely Out - performing at local venues in late 2023/2024 or international festivals MDW Chelsea Wolfe Crosses Young Fathers Mitski Cherry Glazerr Drop Nineteens Sleater-Kinney Brittany Howard Noname Squid Josh Ritter Big Thief Buck Meek Yeah Yeah Yeahs Sasami Amyl and the Sniffers Future Islands Dinosaur Jr Jane's Addiction Slaughter Beach, Dog Portugal. The Man Grouplove DJ Shadow The Kills HEALTH Arlo Parks The Hotelier Foxing Earl Sweatshirt Angel Du$t The Menzingers Dazy The 1975 Tool Puscifer A Perfect Circle Doja Cat Travis Scott Olivia Rodrigo bar italia Model/Actriz Jason Isbell & the 400 Unit Chris Stapleton Green Day Smashing Pumpkins Rancid Ty Segall Caroline Rose Bombay Bicycle Club Alice Glass Crumb Eartheater Hurray for the Riff Raff
