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I know. Maybe it feels like that because it was seriously so random, and tragic. Kids.. Why did he have to kill so many kids? WTF is wrong with people? It's mind-boggling, really.
Post by crazykittensmile on Jul 20, 2012 12:29:03 GMT -5
Truly horrible.
I worry about copycats, too. I've never heard of a theatre shooting before, and it may be just enough to spark some thoughts in the minds of other sick people. Let's hope not.
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Jul 20, 2012 12:30:22 GMT -5
I don't know why I keep reading different accounts of the story. Every time I make it halfway through and then want to throw up when a witness mentions making eye contact with a borderline lifeless girl outside the theater. Completely sickening.
As terrible as I feel for the victims, I can't even imagine being one of the survivors. The images would just be haunting.
I was so disheartened this morning after hearing the news. This mass murder coupled with several random acts of violence in my city over the past month have me in a state of sadness and confusion.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 12:58:23 GMT -5
Terrible story. Truly messed up and this guy is evil. What makes me even more angry/upset is the right wing gun nuts who are calling this an attack on their religious beliefs and that there should have been people in the audience who had guns to defend themselves.
Terrible story. Truly messed up and this guy is evil. What makes me even more angry/upset is the right wing gun nuts who are calling this an attack on their religious beliefs and that there should have been people in the audience who had guns to defend themselves.
The religious aspect I am not going to touch, but the gun argument is another thing. I think it comes out of a psychological need to make yourself feel safe. With a tragedy like this, it's pretty common for someone to try to put themselves in that situation. Would you run? Would you hide? Would you protect others? There is a certain sense of comfort that comes from the idea that, if put in the same situation, you would be the person that would save everyone or, at the very least, be able to protect yourself/whoever you are with. Is that an accurate portrayal? No. You can't really say what kind of response you would have. This point came up on a local newspaper's comments section that in a dark, crowded room with people screaming and running around with tear gas filling the air, your accuracy with a firearm is pretty much nil. You'd be just as likely to hit nothing or one of the other patrons, but it helps insulate people who are reading about it from the abject horror of the situation by thinking that they would be able to take control in a situation that is out of your control.
The way this jerkstore smiles in his mugshots makes me want to break all his teeth.
It says to me "Now I'm famous forever". Like the guy who shot Lennon.
Put him in a hole to rot and never say his name again. Unfortunately he will get exactly what I suspect he wanted. This is sickening, my thoughts go out to the victims and their families. quack this guy.
I make it a point to try and not remember the names of murderers. I'll remember their crimes but fuck their names.
Terrible story. Truly messed up and this guy is evil. What makes me even more angry/upset is the right wing gun nuts who are calling this an attack on their religious beliefs and that there should have been people in the audience who had guns to defend themselves.
The religious aspect I am not going to touch, but the gun argument is another thing.
Yea the only reason I bring that into it is because the politician who said those things in an article I read connected the two.
I agree with you and that news report.....in a dark room with tear gas and panicked people I don't think another few people with guns would help. Probably cause more damage and unintended injuries.
This story made me sick when I heard about it. I find it sadly ironic that it happened to a room full of people waiting to watch a somewhat violent action movie. After not having tv for almost 10 years now and having never been a fan of violent movies or games, it seriously shocks me when I happen to see the level of violence in run of the mill movies and television shows these days. Of course I'm not blaming that for the reason this happened, but it's a scientifically proven fact that violent shows and video games desensitize people. I don't think it's that far of a stretch to see some sort of connection between the entertainment that our society saturates itself with and the way people behave.
~All the accumulated knowledge, experience, and suffering of mankind is inside you. You must build a huge bonfire within you. Then you will become an individual. There is no other way.
~~~U.G. Krishnamurti
"I don't know whose water this is, but I'm drinkin it so F you."~~~Dale
"He is a wook in sheep's clothing."~~~Popsicle Sarah
"You know the feeling when you're in too deep, and when you make it out, the taste - so sweet." ~~DMB
I don't think it's that far of a stretch to see some sort of connection between the entertainment that our society saturates itself with and the way people behave.
Not that far of a stretch and that could probably be applied to any time in history. Like when they used to have slaves fighting lions in gladiator days and young children would be cheering for death.
I don't think this thread should turn into an argument about political issues, but since others are posting there thoughts, I will post mine. I feel like people are responsible for their own actions, and don't put much into violence on tv, video games, and music arguments. The people that do these things are truly sick in the head. This isn't a result of playing too much Call of Duty. I also agree that people having guns on them wouldn't have played much of a role in protecting anyone, but I don't think gun control would've prevented it from happening either. Like I said I'm not starting an argument, just posting my opinions on the issues being brought up. This is an awful tragedy and I hope this mans days spent in prison are full if agonizing pain.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:23:35 GMT -5
I agree pretty much pmo.
A facebook friend commented on this story and I agree with him. Here's what he said:
This story has absolutely nothing to do with guns. It has to do with a sick person causing terror for a bunch of people trying to enjoy themselves. He could of done the same damage with a spiked bat or a claw hammer and some throwing knives. Guns are not the issue, sick fucks are the issue here.
Now obviously, he may not have been able to do the exact same damage with knives or bats but the point remains that people who are messed up in the head and want to hurt/kill a bunch of people will find a way to do it. It's sad.
Not that this matters, but I don't think that smiling photo is his mugshot. I believe it's from his student ID because it always says "Courtesy of: University of Colorado" at the bottom of it.
I feel like people are responsible for their own actions, and don't put much into violence on tv, video games, and music arguments. The people that do these things are truly sick in the head. This isn't a result of playing too much Call of Duty. .
That's why i specifically said I wasn't blaming his actions on those things. Obviously he was 'sick in the head' but that doesn't really tell us anything meaningful. I guess I just don't find stuff like this terribly surprising given the environment we create.
~All the accumulated knowledge, experience, and suffering of mankind is inside you. You must build a huge bonfire within you. Then you will become an individual. There is no other way.
~~~U.G. Krishnamurti
"I don't know whose water this is, but I'm drinkin it so F you."~~~Dale
"He is a wook in sheep's clothing."~~~Popsicle Sarah
"You know the feeling when you're in too deep, and when you make it out, the taste - so sweet." ~~DMB
It is a tragedy. And my heart goes out to all those involved. Seriously though, we need to examine ourselves as a nation and our policies that allow this non-sense to happen. Why are average Joe's allowed to go buy automatic weapons, grenades, bulletproof vests and tear gas? Is that freedom? What's the quacking point of owning those things? How many times do we have to see this happen before we wake up? There are way too many disturbed people out there and it's too easy for them to get extremely deadly weapons. Bottom line.
Ultimately, you can't limit violent entertainment merely from those who it might cause the greatest harm to, so you're left with an all-or-nothing situation.
I guess I'm just too much of a rainbows and kittens flower child, but I just don't really understand why we would want to equate violence with entertainment in the first place.
~All the accumulated knowledge, experience, and suffering of mankind is inside you. You must build a huge bonfire within you. Then you will become an individual. There is no other way.
~~~U.G. Krishnamurti
"I don't know whose water this is, but I'm drinkin it so F you."~~~Dale
"He is a wook in sheep's clothing."~~~Popsicle Sarah
"You know the feeling when you're in too deep, and when you make it out, the taste - so sweet." ~~DMB
It is way easier to acquire guns illegally than legally. My point is people that want to do these things, are going to find ways to do them. Regardless of what laws are in place or what's on tv. That will be my final response in this thread, but would be happy to discuss in pm or another thread.
a person who does something like this is very, very sick.
but to say that violence on tv, movies and video games does not effect the way our society is, is just ignorant IMO. i teach preK and i see how it effects these 4 yr olds. it is certainly in the way they play, the way the talk, the way the think.
i personally will probably not ever have kids, but if i do i will be WAY more likely to let them see sex in entertainment (which is a natural part of life) than violence (which most people don't go around chopping heads off or beating people up).
Ultimately, you can't limit violent entertainment merely from those who it might cause the greatest harm to, so you're left with an all-or-nothing situation.
I guess I'm just too much of a rainbows and kittens flower child, but I just don't really understand why we would want to equate violence with entertainment in the first place.
Violence is a real life thing. Entertainment for the most part is reflection of real life. If there was absolutely no violence in entertainment (like movies, TV shows, and games) then all entertainment would feel like a lie to me. I don't think entertainment should be violence free (but I also don't think every form of entertainment has to have violence in it).
One of the best examples of TV entertainment is The Wire which definitely had some violence in it. If there was no violence in that show about a realistic look into the lives of cops and gangsters then I think it would be pretty boring.
It is a tragedy. And my heart goes out to all those involved. Seriously though, we need to examine ourselves as a nation and our policies that allow this non-sense to happen. Why are average Joe's allowed to go buy automatic weapons, grenades, bulletproof vests and tear gas? Is that freedom? What's the quacking point of owning those things? How many times do we have to see this happen before we wake up? There are way too many disturbed people out there and it's too easy for them to get extremely deadly weapons. Bottom line.
I think the issue goes so much deeper than something that can be fixed with a change in gun/weapon policies. I agree that we need to examine ourselves as a nation. You can't really expect to have senseless violence, aggression, and paranoia happening on a worldscale, governmental level and think that somehow the same things aren't going to happen on a smaller level.
~All the accumulated knowledge, experience, and suffering of mankind is inside you. You must build a huge bonfire within you. Then you will become an individual. There is no other way.
~~~U.G. Krishnamurti
"I don't know whose water this is, but I'm drinkin it so F you."~~~Dale
"He is a wook in sheep's clothing."~~~Popsicle Sarah
"You know the feeling when you're in too deep, and when you make it out, the taste - so sweet." ~~DMB
Post by awolfthedoor on Jul 20, 2012 14:47:40 GMT -5
My thoughts: 1) There's a violent culture in America that predates video games, violent movies, or anything else you want to blame this on. 2) Absolute gun control has not been shown to curb gun violence. 3) Crazy people do crazy things. This is a sad reflection on the mental health services and the social acceptability of getting help in this country.
It is a tragedy. And my heart goes out to all those involved. Seriously though, we need to examine ourselves as a nation and our policies that allow this non-sense to happen. Why are average Joe's allowed to go buy automatic weapons, grenades, bulletproof vests and tear gas?
This is what's most glaring to me. Like, what goes through the mind of the person selling a bulletproof vest to a civilian? Aren't you basically acknowledging that this person is admitting to themselves that they might get shot? Doesn't that concern you?
My thoughts: 1) There's a violent culture in America that predates video games, violent movies, or anything else you want to blame this on. 2) Absolute gun control has not been shown to curb gun violence. 3) Crazy people do crazy things. This is a sad reflection on the mental health services and the social acceptability of getting help in this country.
Well said man, agreed completely on all fronts.
Also, everyone should look up what Marilyn Manson said after Columbine.
I guess I'm just too much of a rainbows and kittens flower child, but I just don't really understand why we would want to equate violence with entertainment in the first place.
Violence is a real life thing. Entertainment for the most part is reflection of real life. If there was absolutely no violence in entertainment (like movies, TV shows, and games) then all entertainment would feel like a lie to me. I don't think entertainment should be violence free (but I also don't think every form of entertainment has to have violence in it).
One of the best examples of TV entertainment is The Wire which definitely had some violence in it. If there was no violence in that show about a realistic look into the lives of cops and gangsters then I think it would be pretty boring.
Defecation is a part of real life too but I don't really have the desire to see it on the big screen. To each his own I suppose, but it is a proven fact that violence in entertainment desensitizes people. I just can't believe that it doesn't have an impact on the millions of people watching that stuff hours a day. In my idealistic vision it would just be nice if people could make an effort to raise the mass consciousness into something a little more evolved. But people don't actually want peace.
~All the accumulated knowledge, experience, and suffering of mankind is inside you. You must build a huge bonfire within you. Then you will become an individual. There is no other way.
~~~U.G. Krishnamurti
"I don't know whose water this is, but I'm drinkin it so F you."~~~Dale
"He is a wook in sheep's clothing."~~~Popsicle Sarah
"You know the feeling when you're in too deep, and when you make it out, the taste - so sweet." ~~DMB