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Post by abefroman1 on May 16, 2024 19:42:08 GMT -5
Blood Brothers were a staple of my high school, saw them open for Glassjaw in 2002 and then headline couple other times. Wish they were playing Lawrence KS like they always did, hopefully they keep going into 2025
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Transparency of cost has been the biggest issue in ticketing, imo. People have almost NO IDEA what to expect in terms of prices and then go in to on sales and panic buy. Having a general sense of the range of tickets beforehands will likely be helpful though may not completely account for dynamic pricing.
Yeah, I would love it if ticket prices were announced in advance of sales. Also, the Observatory in San Diego has switched to showing all-in pricing, which I really like. Like I bought tickets to see Pond and was pleasantly surprised when I clicked the $35 price and they didn't tack on a bunch of fees when it came time to check out.
Blood Brothers were a staple of my high school, saw them open for Glassjaw in 2002 and then headline couple other times. Wish they were playing Lawrence KS like they always did, hopefully they keep going into 2025
I totally had a similar line of thought where I could hold off and go to a southeast show in 2025, but like Botch last year, I never got to see them on the original go around, and if they just play these shows, I'd stay mad at myself for a while.
Blood Brothers were a staple of my high school, saw them open for Glassjaw in 2002 and then headline couple other times. Wish they were playing Lawrence KS like they always did, hopefully they keep going into 2025
I totally had a similar line of thought where I could hold off and go to a southeast show in 2025, but like Botch last year, I never got to see them on the original go around, and if they just play these shows, I'd stay mad at myself for a while.
Yeah I did the same for Jawbreaker in 2022 so I don't blame you. They haven't officially re-broken up like Botch but never come closer than the Chicago show I went to, so glad I went. I really should have done the same with Botch but the fact they released a new single made it seem like they'd be around for more US tours
Transparency of cost has been the biggest issue in ticketing, imo. People have almost NO IDEA what to expect in terms of prices and then go in to on sales and panic buy. Having a general sense of the range of tickets beforehands will likely be helpful though may not completely account for dynamic pricing.
Yeah, I would love it if ticket prices were announced in advance of sales. Also, the Observatory in San Diego has switched to showing all-in pricing, which I really like. Like I bought tickets to see Pond and was pleasantly surprised when I clicked the $35 price and they didn't tack on a bunch of fees when it came time to check out.
Well they used to have prices listed for everything and then took it away when they didnt want to scare anyone off. Its still not gonna scare anyone off anyway. All in pricing has just been slowly integrated into listings so that it seems LN is doing something positve.
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Strange that the Boston show at an AEG-owned venue was announced three days before they play a C3/LiveNation festival that's practically within walking distance of the venue.
Post by wheattoast1 on May 22, 2024 10:16:44 GMT -5
Reaching out here- if anyone today got an email from the Killers newsletter with a pre-sale code and you aren't going to use it for a club show in Boston, please DM me! I will very much use it and will be deeply appreciative of it, idk why sometimes I don't get their emails anymore lol
Reaching out here- if anyone today got an email from the Killers newsletter with a pre-sale code and you aren't going to use it for a club show in Boston, please DM me! I will very much use it and will be deeply appreciative of it, idk why sometimes I don't get their emails anymore lol
I don't know why people think that Live Nation and TM being broken up will someone cause ticket prices to revert back to like $40 for arena shows. Demand + touring costs + resale market still is the driving force.
I don't know why people think that Live Nation and TM being broken up will someone cause ticket prices to revert back to like $40 for arena shows. Demand + touring costs + resale market still is the driving force.
Breaking up LN/TM, and reducing their stranglehold over the industry, would help reduce ticket prices on the margins in a number of ways: - More primary ticketing competition = lower ticket fees - Less "dynamic" and "platinum" pricing - some other sites do it, but none on the scale of TM - Possibly lower cost structures to book/play venues if big bad wolf TM/LN doesn't control such a vast share of venues anymore
So, no, it can't get rid of the general economic trends, but it would definitely help a bit.
I don't know why people think that Live Nation and TM being broken up will someone cause ticket prices to revert back to like $40 for arena shows. Demand + touring costs + resale market still is the driving force.
Breaking up LN/TM, and reducing their stranglehold over the industry, would help reduce ticket prices on the margins in a number of ways: - More primary ticketing competition = lower ticket fees - Less "dynamic" and "platinum" pricing - some other sites do it, but none on the scale of TM - Possibly lower cost structures to book/play venues if big bad wolf TM/LN doesn't control such a vast share of venues anymore
So, no, it can't get rid of the general economic trends, but it would definitely help a bit.
I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
I don't know why people think that Live Nation and TM being broken up will someone cause ticket prices to revert back to like $40 for arena shows. Demand + touring costs + resale market still is the driving force.
Demand - LiveNation as a promoter controls the number of shows an artist is booked for which directly affects demand.
Touring costs - ticket prices have dramatically outpaced inflation
Resale market - Ticketmaster profits off the resale market so stands to benefit either from higher prices to thwart it or from selling into it
Breaking up LN/TM, and reducing their stranglehold over the industry, would help reduce ticket prices on the margins in a number of ways: - More primary ticketing competition = lower ticket fees - Less "dynamic" and "platinum" pricing - some other sites do it, but none on the scale of TM - Possibly lower cost structures to book/play venues if big bad wolf TM/LN doesn't control such a vast share of venues anymore
So, no, it can't get rid of the general economic trends, but it would definitely help a bit.
I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
Smaller venues that were under the LN/TM thumb can get out of their contracts and partner with other services and make things more attractive for artists coming through. Neutral venues are few and far between but if you can get the small places back to who they were before it would change a bit. In La we lost about half a dozen formerly indie venues to LN cause of dumb shit. Would be great to have them back and to not be on the TM platform for sales. And venues can just sell direct again? The Hollywood Bowl has their own ticketing system now and it works fairly well. If they didnt have the LN partnership anymore they could just book their lease events and price it even better and have no dynamic or platinum pricing. The damn Greek actually has to use diff ticketing services when it comes to who is promoting a show at the venue. Its not unheard of at all. Lets kneecap these guys and see what happens. I think the one thing theyll probably want to stress later on is security cause they have to keep the platform safe from getting hacked.
Anyway, Rapino should make face to face meetings and burner phones a fucking thing.
Breaking up LN/TM, and reducing their stranglehold over the industry, would help reduce ticket prices on the margins in a number of ways: - More primary ticketing competition = lower ticket fees - Less "dynamic" and "platinum" pricing - some other sites do it, but none on the scale of TM - Possibly lower cost structures to book/play venues if big bad wolf TM/LN doesn't control such a vast share of venues anymore
So, no, it can't get rid of the general economic trends, but it would definitely help a bit.
I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
You're right about ticketing. When AEG does a show at Boston's TD Garden, it's sold through TM, not AXS. The Garden does work with multiple promoters (not even counting NBA, NHL, WWE, and the rest of it), and primary sales are through Ticketmaster. The only exception I can think of is when Jim Irsay appeared there last year with his celebrity band and free ticket distribution was handled through Eventbrite.
I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
You're right about ticketing. When AEG does a show at Boston's TD Garden, it's sold through TM, not AXS. The Garden does work with multiple promoters (not even counting NBA, NHL, WWE, and the rest of it), and primary sales are through Ticketmaster. The only exception I can think of is when Jim Irsay appeared there last year with his celebrity band and free ticket distribution was handled through Eventbrite.
Cause thats who they have a contract with for sales. And thats usually the norm for now. Staples Center will switch platforms depending on the promoter. If Live Nation has a show there itll be sold on Tm. If its Aeg/Gv then its Axs. Greek is the same. Hollywood Bowl uses their own ticketing if the La Phil puts on the show or the rare time a lease events wants to use it. Leases normally use Ticketmaster since LN is the one booking the show. It just depends. When these venues contracts come up with TM then itll be interesting if by that point a break up had happened and its a free for all. When AEG finally got Axs going it took a while for all of the Gv venues to switch to Axs because they had to let the TM contracts run out and slowly but surely they all switched over. Except the Glasshouse who just changed to Dice after having been with Eventbrite for a while and before that Ticketfly.
Breaking up LN/TM, and reducing their stranglehold over the industry, would help reduce ticket prices on the margins in a number of ways: - More primary ticketing competition = lower ticket fees - Less "dynamic" and "platinum" pricing - some other sites do it, but none on the scale of TM - Possibly lower cost structures to book/play venues if big bad wolf TM/LN doesn't control such a vast share of venues anymore
So, no, it can't get rid of the general economic trends, but it would definitely help a bit.
I don't know....ticket fees are dependent on the platform and their business needs. If anything, it might drive ticket fees UP as that will mean multiple ticketing agencies trying to win exclusivity with venues which means said venue might take the highest bid which cost is then passed to consumer. Dynamic/Platinum pricing exist on multiple platforms aside from Ticketmaster such as AXS. That aspect of ticketing is controlled by artists and promoters so as long as they opt in, it'll demand.
To your third point, not sure how a certain promoter controlling or not controlling a venue so that could be one positive. I still doubt it will impact major cities as most venues won't want to work with multiple promoters/ticketing agencies and likely still go with one if there is a payment upfront and/or to only have one working relationship.
In Europe venues work with multiple ticket agencies and consumers don't pay the same level of ridiculous fees we do here and that's with a higher level of inflation there. Breaking up monopolies is always a good thing and if Live Nation is broken up it will be net win for consumers, smaller artists and venues.
