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This is the usual millennial response. You grow up being told that you're a special little flower, you get participation trophies just for showing up, and then find yourself on college campuses where wide-ranging discussion and differing opinions are actually discouraged for fear that someone might be "triggered".
You assume that anyone who disagrees with you must be trolling, because you can't possibly imagine that anyone else could have a different opinion than the consensus view to which you cling.
sang's old dude.
Fuck you. But yea this guy definitely doesn't know who he's talking to. Fuck a participation trophy.
This is the usual millennial response. You grow up being told that you're a special little flower, you get participation trophies just for showing up, and then find yourself on college campuses where wide-ranging discussion and differing opinions are actually discouraged for fear that someone might be "triggered".
You assume that anyone who disagrees with you must be trolling, because you can't possibly imagine that anyone else could have a different opinion than the consensus view to which you cling.
Millennials weren't the ones buying participation trophies to hand out to everyone.
I hate the participation trophy argument. Better that than getting yelled at every time you didn't win like they did back in my day which evolved into you not being able to deal with failure as an adult regardless of whether it's your fault.
Anyone with aspirations in the arts & entertainment needs to have a very thick skin to deal with rejection and disappointment. They also need to remember that there are an almost infinite number of ways to put your art in front of people, both online and offline, and you need to seek out opportunities and not expect some particular person to elevate you with their patronage.
You don’t understand what emotional abuse is, and that you don’t need to hit someone to control them.
Who the hell enters the entertainment field thinking that they've got one path, and one path only to make it? It's a given, going in, that the support of any particular person or company may come and go and that you need to seek out whatever viable path is available to you, even if that means starting your own venue by approaching coffeehouses and bars and seeing if they're open to doing something. Every scene starts somewhere.
However wrong RA's behavior may have been, it's ridiculous to give him responsibility for being their unquestioningly supportive patron forever, regardless of their relationship status. (Sheesh, look at Sonic Youth and Richard & Linda Thompson. When the romantic relationship ends, the artistic relationship often ends, too.)
You don’t understand what emotional abuse is, and that you don’t need to hit someone to control them.
Who the hell enters the entertainment field thinking that they've got one path, and one path only to make it? It's a given, going in, that the support of any particular person or company may come and go and that you need to seek out whatever viable path is available to you, even if that means starting your own venue by approaching coffeehouses and bars and seeing if they're open to doing something. Every scene starts somewhere.
However wrong RA's behavior may have been, it's ridiculous to give him responsibility for being their unquestioningly supportive patron forever, regardless of their relationship status. (Sheesh, look at Sonic Youth and Richard & Linda Thompson. When the romantic relationship ends, the artistic relationship often ends, too.)
Who the hell spends this much time defending a serial abuser?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Feb 19, 2019 11:26:11 GMT -5
Who the hell enters the entertainment field thinking that they've got one path, and one path only to make it?
Nobody is claiming that. You're making something up to support your argument. Every artist involved in this story were already doing their own thing and that's how Ryan Adams first heard about them. He didn't pluck them from the street randomly.
it's ridiculous to give him responsibility for being their unquestioningly supportive patron forever, regardless of their relationship status.
Again, nobody is even saying that. You're making up an argument so you can point out how ridiculous it is but NOBODY is saying that they should have been working together forever after breaking up.
Also, this point still ignores the other women who didn't date him and were harrassed/had opportunities pulled because they wouldn't give him what he wanted. That's what is fucked up. Offering something on the condition that he gets to fuck you. Then if you don't comply he pulls the opportunity.
Damn. I came to this thread right when the news broke, saw that everyone was in consensus that RA was indeed an abuser and that that couldn’t be defended, and left the thread feeling good about the world.
Then, today, I decided to pop back in and see this shitstorm. Good grief.
My personal favorite was the thick skin pre-requisite argument. Because yes, women should totally be able to endure manipulation, or even sexual harassment (e.g., a man exposing himself), and still come out of that confident that this industry will treat them right. How deep one’s passion is doesn’t exempt them from experiencing emotional trauma.
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And I thought tw12's Boston Calling takes were bad...
I was on page 9, saw his name pop up, then about four more pages after this.
I just assume it's all terrible.
I skimmed most of it, I think the jist is don't give a millennial lady your letter jacket or you'll have to threaten suicide and pursue one of 10,000 other career paths in your chosen field.
someone obviously hasn't found the sacred chaos patterns that dominate the work or decoded maynard's references to the ancient wisdom of Paramenides' ontology.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 31, 2019 13:07:45 GMT -5
Yeah apparently he wrote some explanation post talking about the truth and learning and all deep shit. But then his former manager or agent or someone leaked the texts where he's demanding he be back out in the spotlight and its a shitty look