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I'm never going to think of Mitch taking the early flight home from San Diego and a couple of nude people jumped out of his bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show, ready to double-team his girlfriend the same way again.
The only kind of person that would still be defending RA so hard after all the evidence shown is someone that wants to justify his behavior because they do the same kind of things.
That's offensive AF. My skin in the game, so to speak, is that I'm sick and tired of multiple standards applied to male behavior depending upon how close to the archetypal All-American male a particular individual happens to be.
You don't need to be a criminal to be angry about the way that people of color are disproportionately incarcerated in the U.S. You don't need to be abusive to women to think that there's something inherently unjust about the way that public outrage and prosecutorial fervor around #MeToo is so selective.
This has to be a strong contender for worst thing that has ever been written on this site. Holy shit
I'm never going to think of Mitch taking the early flight home from San Diego and a couple of nude people jumped out of his bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show, ready to double-team his girlfriend the same way again.
You don't need to be abusive to women to think that there's something inherently unjust about the way that public outrage and prosecutorial fervor around #MeToo is so selective.
This is some powerful divorced dad energy going on right now.
That's offensive AF. My skin in the game, so to speak, is that I'm sick and tired of multiple standards applied to male behavior depending upon how close to the archetypal All-American male a particular individual happens to be.
You don't need to be a criminal to be angry about the way that people of color are disproportionately incarcerated in the U.S. You don't need to be abusive to women to think that there's something inherently unjust about the way that public outrage and prosecutorial fervor around #MeToo is so selective.
He sexually groomed a child. He used the threat of suicide to isolate and control his partners. He made professional offers to women but then later made those offers dependent on sex. Many women are now coming out saying he used the same isolation and control tactics with them. What more is there to consider? Why is this not worthy of an exposé?
These types of control are standard parts of what's considered domestic violence. It's not some new millennial thing. I'll admit I used to only conceive of DV as physical violence between partners. I just didn't think about it much. Then I heard stories/dated a DV counselor/educated myself. It's pretty horrific once you learn the scope. I'd suggest you try expand your horizons too. Maybe start here: www.thehotline.org/is-this-abuse/abuse-defined/
If you had bothered to read the entire thread, you would have noticed that I thoroughly condemned the video sexting with an underage girl and I'm fine with letting the wheels of justice turn and any resulting legal consequences. But like the editor of the Jacksonville, NC newspaper, I've got problems with the grab-bag nature of the article which served to present a broad spectrum of bad behavior ranging from very troubling to mild relationship disagreements and paint it all as equally disturbing.
You write "He made professional offers to women but then later made those offers dependent on sex." I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But everyone, and I mean everyone, does less for and with an ex than they do for and with someone with whom they're presently involved. Not everyone can handle the "working with exes" thing as well as Fleetwood Mac did for so many years. Absent an employer/employee or contractual relationship, musicians are free to work with whomever they want to.
To me, most of his bad behavior (apart from the troubling thing with the underage girl) speaks to insecurity, addiction, and possibly mental illness. I'm not saying he's a good guy, but disagreements with Mandy Moore over her career during their marriage hardly belong in this article and are hardly any of our concern.
Now that a man has confirmed I am comfortable believing the allegations. No disrespect intended but these millennial women are overly sensitive and don't appreciate a man's attention probably because they lesbian.
He sexually groomed a child. He used the threat of suicide to isolate and control his partners. He made professional offers to women but then later made those offers dependent on sex. Many women are now coming out saying he used the same isolation and control tactics with them. What more is there to consider? Why is this not worthy of an exposé?
These types of control are standard parts of what's considered domestic violence. It's not some new millennial thing. I'll admit I used to only conceive of DV as physical violence between partners. I just didn't think about it much. Then I heard stories/dated a DV counselor/educated myself. It's pretty horrific once you learn the scope. I'd suggest you try expand your horizons too. Maybe start here: www.thehotline.org/is-this-abuse/abuse-defined/
If you had bothered to read the entire thread, you would have noticed that I thoroughly condemned the video sexting with an underage girl and I'm fine with letting the wheels of justice turn and any resulting legal consequences. But like the editor of the Jacksonville, NC newspaper, I've got problems with the grab-bag nature of the article which served to present a broad spectrum of bad behavior ranging from very troubling to mild relationship disagreements and paint it all as equally disturbing.
You write "He made professional offers to women but then later made those offers dependent on sex." I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But everyone, and I mean everyone, does less for and with an ex than they do for and with someone with whom they're presently involved. Not everyone can handle the "working with exes" thing as well as Fleetwood Mac did for so many years. Absent an employer/employee or contractual relationship, musicians are free to work with whomever they want to.
To me, most of his bad behavior (apart from the troubling thing with the underage girl) speaks to insecurity, addiction, and possibly mental illness. I'm not saying he's a good guy, but disagreements with Mandy Moore over her career during their marriage hardly belong in this article and are hardly any of our concern.
She quit making music because of him. A couple of others said the same thing. He discouraged them and turned them off of the music industry so much that they quit.
If you had bothered to read the entire thread, you would have noticed that I thoroughly condemned the video sexting with an underage girl and I'm fine with letting the wheels of justice turn and any resulting legal consequences. But like the editor of the Jacksonville, NC newspaper, I've got problems with the grab-bag nature of the article which served to present a broad spectrum of bad behavior ranging from very troubling to mild relationship disagreements and paint it all as equally disturbing.
You write "He made professional offers to women but then later made those offers dependent on sex." I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But everyone, and I mean everyone, does less for and with an ex than they do for and with someone with whom they're presently involved. Not everyone can handle the "working with exes" thing as well as Fleetwood Mac did for so many years. Absent an employer/employee or contractual relationship, musicians are free to work with whomever they want to.
To me, most of his bad behavior (apart from the troubling thing with the underage girl) speaks to insecurity, addiction, and possibly mental illness. I'm not saying he's a good guy, but disagreements with Mandy Moore over her career during their marriage hardly belong in this article and are hardly any of our concern.
She quit making music because of him. A couple of others said the same thing. He discouraged them and turned them off of the music industry so much that they quit.
If you had bothered to read the entire thread, you would have noticed that I thoroughly condemned the video sexting with an underage girl and I'm fine with letting the wheels of justice turn and any resulting legal consequences. But like the editor of the Jacksonville, NC newspaper, I've got problems with the grab-bag nature of the article which served to present a broad spectrum of bad behavior ranging from very troubling to mild relationship disagreements and paint it all as equally disturbing.
You write "He made professional offers to women but then later made those offers dependent on sex." I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But everyone, and I mean everyone, does less for and with an ex than they do for and with someone with whom they're presently involved. Not everyone can handle the "working with exes" thing as well as Fleetwood Mac did for so many years. Absent an employer/employee or contractual relationship, musicians are free to work with whomever they want to.
To me, most of his bad behavior (apart from the troubling thing with the underage girl) speaks to insecurity, addiction, and possibly mental illness. I'm not saying he's a good guy, but disagreements with Mandy Moore over her career during their marriage hardly belong in this article and are hardly any of our concern.
She quit making music because of him. A couple of others said the same thing. He discouraged them and turned them off of the music industry so much that they quit.
It's tremendously sad and unfortunate that the teenage girl quit music because of her experiences with Ryan Adams, but adults who let any other person control their aspirations (artistic and otherwise) have only themselves to blame. It's not like Ryan Adams was the only route for any of them. There are countless ways to build an audience in the arts and if one door is locked, try 10,000 others.
She quit making music because of him. A couple of others said the same thing. He discouraged them and turned them off of the music industry so much that they quit.
adults who let any other person control their aspirations (artistic and otherwise) have only themselves to blame.
Again, holy shit. Let’s blame the victims now. Is there any scumbag take you’re NOT planning on revealing?
His best friend came out and said he has a problem. But this guy is still on his side.
You show a real lack of nuance when you say I'm "on his side."
As I've mentioned numerous times already, there's a range of behavior ranging from very bad (although even the worst things he did don't begin to approach R. Kelly, Charlie Sheen, or Steven Tyler territory) to simple bickering within a marriage.
This "trial by social media" verdict is nonsense, both in the equivocation of marital bickering with much worse behavior and in the "flavor of the month" way in which everyone's going after him. Why not direct your outrage at the most egregious abusers? If a small town has only one fire engine and the fire dept has to choose between a fire in a tool shed and one in a five bedroom home, you obviously send the fire engine to the occupied house first.
adults who let any other person control their aspirations (artistic and otherwise) have only themselves to blame.
Again, holy shit. Let’s blame the victims now. Is there any scumbag take you’re NOT planning on revealing?
Blaming the victims?
Anyone with aspirations in the arts & entertainment needs to have a very thick skin to deal with rejection and disappointment. They also need to remember that there are an almost infinite number of ways to put your art in front of people, both online and offline, and you need to seek out opportunities and not expect some particular person to elevate you with their patronage.
Yea just fuck off dude. You're either trolling or you're a delusional pos or both.
This is the usual millennial response. You grow up being told that you're a special little flower, you get participation trophies just for showing up, and then find yourself on college campuses where wide-ranging discussion and differing opinions are actually discouraged for fear that someone might be "triggered".
You assume that anyone who disagrees with you must be trolling, because you can't possibly imagine that anyone else could have a different opinion than the consensus view to which you cling.
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Yea just fuck off dude. You're either trolling or you're a delusional pos or both.
This is the usual millennial response. You grow up being told that you're a special little flower, you get participation trophies just for showing up, and then find yourself on college campuses where wide-ranging discussion and differing opinions are actually discouraged for fear that someone might be "triggered".
You assume that anyone who disagrees with you must be trolling, because you can't possibly imagine that anyone else could have a different opinion than the consensus view to which you cling.
Again, holy shit. Let’s blame the victims now. Is there any scumbag take you’re NOT planning on revealing?
Blaming the victims?
Anyone with aspirations in the arts & entertainment needs to have a very thick skin to deal with rejection and disappointment. They also need to remember that there are an almost infinite number of ways to put your art in front of people, both online and offline, and you need to seek out opportunities and not expect some particular person to elevate you with their patronage.
You don’t understand what emotional abuse is, and that you don’t need to hit someone to control them.