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I agree with what others have said in regards to therapy or just talking through things. I am really bothered by this because I am a person of faith. I am respectful towards those of other faiths, or no faith. I don't push my beliefs onto others. I want to respect others ideas and lives, the way I want to be respected. When terms like "wackadoodle" are attached and labeling begins, in my mind, you are only furthering the problem by creating the idea that those you differ from are less than you. We're all human beings and we're all just trying to get by in this world. I guess I'm a "live and let live" type of person, and I thank God for that.
People who refer to their own tattoos from before being reborn as "Devil bruises"/"Devil scars" and denounce homosexuality as an unforgivable sin when they themselves are clearly homosexual, were open about it for years, and are now choosing to lie to themselves.... are a little wackadoodle, yeah.
I'm not talking about cool, chill Unitarians here.
I totally get that there are people like that. The question is, why do you let it bother you so much? Is it worth it to go through life angry at people who have fundamental differences in belief or lifestyle? In all things, we should strive to start at a place of understanding and acceptance. I go to an non-denominational, but Bible based church, and sometimes disagree with things I hear there. I'm probably more socially liberal than 98% of the members. The important thing is I know in my heart where I stand and I need to be true to that because it is what is most important.
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How long have you been non-religious? It is possible to be atheist without being a big ball of anger. It seems to me that people always go through the "angry atheist" phase then eventually mellow out. Unless of course they went through a particularly rough case of repression as it seems you have been. I know what it's like to feel isolated an alienated because of your beliefs (or lack thereof). Sounds easier than it is, I know, but you just to work on empathy. Where did their beliefs come from? Why do they feel or act the way they do? I try my best to not automatically go to the religions and religious people are stupid argument. Yes, I think religion is hogwash but you aren't going to make a change in someone by just insulting something that they have known their entire life. Give them a living example of an atheist that is a good, morally well-rounded individual. And as suggested above, therapy helps. It did help me get through some feelings of rejection and whatnot.
It comes in waves. Lately it's been high because I keep seeing examples IRL and online of women being subjugated on the basis of made-up bullshit fairy tales, here in the US and everywhere else.
Then why punch down on these women? What you're saying now makes zero sense and doesn't align with what you said before.
Is it intolerance if it makes you angrily uncomfortable when muslim women who wear robes and hijabs are standing around in the bathroom together in the way of the door and talking super loudly in their other language.
You have anxiety over how women are treated in religion so you respond to that by attacking the women? Feeling the need to tell them to shut the f*ck up? Uh okay. Your post had zero to do with women being subjugated and in fact contributed to the subjugation of an oppressed and marginalized group. It could've been an interesting perspective to hear how the cross sections of atheism and being a woman colored your view of these women whose religion tells them to hide themselves. Instead you went for the xenophobic "I'm pissed cuz these browns are wearing their funny rags and not speaking American" approach.
It's crazy that you live in a world of non stop attack from wackadoodle churches, weird churches, and f*cking idiot cousins. I wonder why you have such bad experiences? Perhaps you needing to tell a group of subjugated women just chatting with their friends to "shut the f*ck up" reflects more on you and why you have bad experiences with religious people than it does on them? Hmm. I wonder.
I am respectful towards those of other faiths, or no faith. I don't push my beliefs onto others.
^ and this is fantastic, and I thank you for that.
But it usually doesn't work that way because Christianity teaches that if you're not telling others about the "Good News" then you're not doing it right. And then once you've heard the "Good News", if you don't get on board, then you're subject to eternal suffering and damnation.
Actually it almost always works that way. Most Christians don't give a shit or at least don't push it as long as you don't either. Yeah there are extreme examples and those seem to be the ones you've latched onto. You do realize that you've had untold thousands of interactions with Christians and religious people dureing your lifetime, right? Everyone has had a bad experience with a religious person. Not everyone has had a bad experience with an atheist. Why give them one?
You obviously have a ton of anger and it comes out in your words on here. Everyone is a f*cking idiot, a Muslim who can't even speak your language, a wackadoo, etc. Maybe everyone else is wrong and you're right. Or, as others have suggested, you need anger counseling more than this thread. If you come out on the other side less hateful and xenophobic, you should check out some alternative ways of practicing your atheism. This may be a nice place to help you start and meet some like minded people: sundayassembly.com/
I agree with what others have said in regards to therapy or just talking through things. I am really bothered by this because I am a person of faith. I am respectful towards those of other faiths, or no faith. I don't push my beliefs onto others. I want to respect others ideas and lives, the way I want to be respected. When terms like "wackadoodle" are attached and labeling begins, in my mind, you are only furthering the problem by creating the idea that those you differ from are less than you. We're all human beings and we're all just trying to get by in this world. I guess I'm a "live and let live" type of person, and I thank God for that.
You're awesome. I promise not all of us atheists treat our fellow humans in such a sh*tty, holier than thou, you're a f*cking idiot for your religion kind of way.
I'm in a bad mood. One of the girls at work never does her job which makes mine impossible. I got the book done with only missing 2 advertisers on lockdown day and they are both hers. I want to scream, yell and punch her in the face.
Other than my happy fun friendship and concert tour weekend, 2015 is not good at all so far. I hope it gets better but I dont really see that happening.
Other than my happy fun friendship and concert tour weekend, 2015 is not good at all so far. I hope it gets better but I dont really see that happening.
Other than my happy fun friendship and concert tour weekend, 2015 is not good at all so far. I hope it gets better but I dont really see that happening.
That sucks. Glad I could have a part (though it was way more abrakapokus) in giving you a good weekend.
Other than my happy fun friendship and concert tour weekend, 2015 is not good at all so far. I hope it gets better but I dont really see that happening.
I'm really sorry to hear this sigs. I hope you are wrong and things start looking up!
In a nutshell, here's a summary why respecting *all* beliefs doesn't really work...
This is horse shit. You should stop responding to posts (in this thread) because you are only making yourself look extremely intolerant of anyone who is religious. Gab & CKS are right, you should probably look into some sort of therapy for your issues with religion.
Sad story indeed but I'm seeing it covered by a lot of mainstream media now. CNN, MSNBC, The Guardian, and Fox News all have it as their top story on their websites. I imagine this will only make things a bit more heated for some folks, however. I just don't get it....tired of reading stories like this so often.
Sad story indeed but I'm seeing it covered by a lot of mainstream media now. CNN, MSNBC, The Guardian, and Fox News all have it as their top story on their websites. I imagine this will only make things a bit more heated for some folks, however. I just don't get it....tired of reading stories like this so often.
I agree. And yes, they are now. It just took them awhile. It happened yesterday around 5pm.
In a nutshell, here's a summary why respecting *all* beliefs doesn't really work...
This is horse shit. You should stop responding to posts (in this thread) because you are only making yourself look extremely intolerant of anyone who is religious. Gab & CKS are right, you should probably look into some sort of therapy for your issues with religion.
This. please just stop. It is getting worse with every post.
Sad story indeed but I'm seeing it covered by a lot of mainstream media now. CNN, MSNBC, The Guardian, and Fox News all have it as their top story on their websites. I imagine this will only make things a bit more heated for some folks, however. I just don't get it....tired of reading stories like this so often.
I agree. And yes, they are now. It just took them awhile. It happened yesterday around 5pm.
This is why religious intolerance scares me. No matter how strongly I don't believe in supernatural occurrences, I could never imagine doing something violent based on someone's religious belief. I'm guessing the perpetrator was a patriotic Christian. I just wish people would stop killing each other over such trivial things.
I agree. And yes, they are now. It just took them awhile. It happened yesterday around 5pm.
This is why religious intolerance scares me. No matter how strongly I don't believe in supernatural occurrences, I could never imagine doing something violent based on someone's religious belief. I'm guessing the perpetrator was a patriotic Christian. I just wish people would stop killing each other over such trivial things.
In a nutshell, here's a summary why respecting *all* beliefs doesn't really work...
This is horse shit. You should stop responding to posts (in this thread) because you are only making yourself look extremely intolerant of anyone who is religious. Gab & CKS are right, you should probably look into some sort of therapy for your issues with religion.
I don't think it's completely horse shit. It just waters down issues with religion in a format that the social media era can easily share. The idea being Coexist is nice, though. We can't just pretend there aren't tensions between religious groups that lead to violence.
This is why religious intolerance scares me. No matter how strongly I don't believe in supernatural occurrences, I could never imagine doing something violent based on someone's religious belief. I'm guessing the perpetrator was a patriotic Christian. I just wish people would stop killing each other over such trivial things.
Actually it was an atheist
Do you have a source for this? All I can seem to find is that he had made several anti-Islam remarks on social media.
If he did kill for these reasons, then this dude is a hypocritical asshole. Well. He is an asshole anyways. Taking a life is never acceptable. From looking at the archive of his Facebook page, he has a banner that says something like "I can keep criticizing your religion for as long as your baseless superstitions keep killing people."
on a different more trivial note. GRRRRRRRR. to say my family has always been dysfunctional is an understatement. I feel like I have been able to get along with the "black sheep" and the "snooty better than you" groups but clearly I was wrong. It's funny how you can keep moving on with life after tragedy strikes thinking you are ok and one trivial thing happens and it all come flooding out, 11 years later. Getting fucked over by my great aunt isn't really the issue, it's that she was the last tie I had to my grandfather that was my number one for many years. he would be so disgusted by all this. the fact that I am clearly no longer considered in this family makes the loss of him so real. so...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR indeed
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I just wanted to come in here and GRRRR about how I haven't had a working fridge for a week and a half and still have to wait until at least friday for my landlord to get me a new one. (and how it's making me eat like shizzzz too)
I'm from the Triangle (in NC) and this is SO UPSETTING. I didn't even know what to think or say when I saw it this morning/
Saturday is the 7th anniversary of the school shooting at NIU. In the years since then my emotions about how horrible that day/week was have softened but the pure anger I get from every new incident only gets worse. It's the same cycle of initial outrage and calls for change then NRA and gun nuts make their defense. People ask lawmakers to do something about it, lawmakers agree something must be done but nothing happens. 2 weeks later nothing is said of that particular shooting ever again.
If Sandy Hook didn't bring about serious changes in gun laws, then I am really worried about the scope of whatever tragedy will bring about change.
I'm right there with you People give Gabby Giffords a polite clap when she shows up at events in town or around the country and then apparently just as quickly stuff their fingers as far down their ears as possible to prevent hearing what she is saying
I'm from the Triangle (in NC) and this is SO UPSETTING. I didn't even know what to think or say when I saw it this morning/
Saturday is the 7th anniversary of the school shooting at NIU. In the years since then my emotions about how horrible that day/week was have softened but the pure anger I get from every new incident only gets worse. It's the same cycle of initial outrage and calls for change then NRA and gun nuts make their defense. People ask lawmakers to do something about it, lawmakers agree something must be done but nothing happens. 2 weeks later nothing is said of that particular shooting ever again.
If Sandy Hook didn't bring about serious changes in gun laws, then I am really worried about the scope of whatever tragedy will bring about change.
What kind of changes would you advocate for or like to see put into place? The whole situation is a tough one for me because I do believe that people can be responsible with guns and they shouldn't be punished because of others who snap and do things like this but it's so hard to tell if someone will commit murder like this guy has. I think some kind of updates to gun laws could help and also some more focus on mental health issues but even then....if this guy wasn't seeking help for mental problems and if he had been a law-abiding citizen for years and years (I don't know the status of either....just a hypothetical) then I'm trying to think of a way this could have been prevented.
I say all this as a person who owns no guns and doesn't feel the need to at this moment in my life. I just know this whole topic is pretty complex and not sure what the best course of action is. It's also tough when there are lobbying interests who turn things into a political game instead of focusing on making the country a better place. It's a tough road ahead but I do think we shouldn't just sweep this under the rug like happens so very often.