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Come on EAP you know that's not true. Read the comments. All that was said is that nodepression finds grown men talking about how much they party is lame. Neither he nor Juggs said anything about Jess's parenting skills.
No Jeff he could have said that all he wanted without pissing me off, he tied that comment into about how I have kids, and should be over it/not do it/whatever.
I understand Jess. I really do. I get why that would be so upsetting. I'm just trying to help show the other side of it, that I really think he just brought up your kids ages to show that he feels if you're at an age where you have teenage kids, talking about how much you party, not partying itself, shouldn't be of any concern anymore.
I am going out to Yazoo this afternoon with Jho and Dan'Roo how long should we wait after our last beer until we drive over to corsair? For that matter you did not have any problem riding with me after I did the same thing with idio and his wife. I am pretty sure I know myself well enough to not drive drunk, or when I would be a danger. If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.
Jess, I think you're confusing things here or reading posts too fast. I am just saying how I interpreted that post from you and why some people are possibly upset about it.
I didn't say I had a problem with when we drove and I didn't say that I specifically agree with the people who think you should be 100% sober when driving. I was merely trying to point out why people have a problem with your initial posts that started the reaction.
All I was doing was saying that some people feel that you shouldn't have a few drinks while driving or before driving. Some people think you should be 100% sober. I never said that I was one of them. I didn't really give my opinion on that topic...just trying to clarify things and why people assumed you were driving while drinking (even if you weren't "wasted" or "trashed").
I apologize I am still a little on edge at the moment, and literally still mad enough to be seeing red.
actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.
Please give it a rest EAP because that's not what is being argued at all. You're blowing things way out of proportion. No need for hyperbole...just talk like a normal person. Juggs and noD said nothing like that and both have repeatedly pointed out they weren't even talking about parenting. So stop pelase.
If he/they were not talking about my parenting skills why would he bring my kids and the fact I have them into the argument at all? reading those quotes in context leaves me little doubt as to what he was implying.
I understand Jess. I really do. I get why that would be so upsetting. I'm just trying to help show the other side of it, that I really think he just brought up your kids ages to show that he feels if you're at an age where you have teenage kids, talking about how much you party, not partying itself, shouldn't be of any concern anymore.
Sorry that is still out and out bullshit who is he to say whether or not I can talk about partying, maybe you can squeeze in a slight chance that it was only to show my age but he could have done that without bringing my children into it, and bringing someones kids into shit like that on here crosses a line regardless in my opinion.
his snide remarks don't come without judgements behind them.
i know you are one of the nicest people i've met zapp and you like to believe the best, but you can't really think that isn't true.
I really do. People can't express exactly what they mean sometimes (this especially applies in written form) and the only thing you can do is try to understand where they're coming from and make something positive out of it. A lot of implications are taken out of writing and most of them time, I have found anyway, that the implications are incorrect.
I understand Jess. I really do. I get why that would be so upsetting. I'm just trying to help show the other side of it, that I really think he just brought up your kids ages to show that he feels if you're at an age where you have teenage kids, talking about how much you party, not partying itself, shouldn't be of any concern anymore.
Sorry that is still out and out bullhonkey who is he to say whether or not I can talk about partying, maybe you can squeeze in a slight chance that it was only to show my age but he could have done that without bringing my children into it, and bringing someones kids into shiz like that on here crosses a line regardless in my opinion.
I agree, but I also really do feel he was just trying to do just that, and given y'all's relationship in the past and how easily it is to feel attacked when something so personal is brought up, implications were made that are probably a little off.
EDIT: Agree with the boldfaced statement and "just that" pertaining to highlighting your age.
Last Edit: Jul 20, 2012 15:01:21 GMT -5 by zapp - Back to Top
Sorry that is still out and out bullhonkey who is he to say whether or not I can talk about partying, maybe you can squeeze in a slight chance that it was only to show my age but he could have done that without bringing my children into it, and bringing someones kids into shiz like that on here crosses a line regardless in my opinion.
I agree, but I also really do feel he was just trying to do just that, and given y'all's relationship in the past and how easily it is to feel attacked when something so personal is brought up, implications were made that are probably a little off.
EDIT: Agree with the boldfaced statement and "just that" pertaining to highlighting your age.
In that case I am not out of line asking for an apology and a reassurance it will not happen again am I?
Not out of line feeling you deserve that, no. Everyone deserves to be apologized to if their feelings are hurt. I think either of you leaving would be very unfortunate, though, seeing as how you're both valuable to the community and have a lot to offer. It would be especially unfortunate for this to be the cause since at the root this is just a poorly worded statement and misunderstanding (in my opinion.)
I apologize I am still a little on edge at the moment, and literally still mad enough to be seeing red.
It's all good, I understand. I love you all
If he/they were not talking about my parenting skills why would he bring my kids and the fact I have them into the argument at all? reading those quotes in context leaves me little doubt as to what he was implying.
I feel like it's been explained that the reason was to illustrate how old you are and not to say you're bad at raising your kids. It was to point out that he thinks someone with kids (what he would consider a grown up) wouldn't talk about how much they "party". At least that's how I viewed it.
If he/they were not talking about my parenting skills why would he bring my kids and the fact I have them into the argument at all? reading those quotes in context leaves me little doubt as to what he was implying.
I feel like it's been explained that the reason was to illustrate how old you are and not to say you're bad at raising your kids. It was to point out that he thinks someone with kids (what he would consider a grown up) wouldn't talk about how much they "party". At least that's how I viewed it.
I think anyone with common sense would know that if you start discussing someone in a negative light and bring their children into they are going to get a reaction. Maybe it was a bigger one than he expected but he could have said "Jess is in his mid 30's and still talks about partying" and this would not have gone down.
You just do not bring kids/parents/family on here in arguments and Nodepression has been around long enough to know that. I think anyone who has kids is going to feel the same way I do as well.
I think anyone with common sense would know that if you start discussing someone in a negative light and bring their children into they are going to get a reaction. Maybe it was a bigger one than he expected but he could have said "Jess is in his mid 30's and still talks about partying" and this would not have gone down.
You just do not bring kids/parents/family on here in arguments and Nodepression has been around long enough to know that. I think anyone who has kids is going to feel the same way I do as well.
Yea, I tend to agree that bringing children/family members into the discussion isn't necessary and should be avoided. In fact I specifically said that much in the thread that it began in:
Let's keep personal things like family members out of these discussions....okay? Arguing is one thing. Bringing up a touchy subject like parenting always results in bigger arguments and heated comments. I personally didn't think noD was saying Jess is a bad parent but others did and I think it'd be better if we just didn't bring that kind of stuff into the discussion.
Hopefully nodepression sees that it bothered you this much and will grant you an apology for bringing your kids into this (since it clearly created a problem) and avoid doing it in the fuutre. Again though, I really don't think he was questioning your parenting skills.
Exactly Jeff I took as a slight that I was too immature to be a parent because I talk about liking to party. This is exactly what he said and I am pretty sure it is exactly what he meant. I must have skipped that page in the parenting manual that says you are not allowed to discuss your social life with people on the internet while you are a parent.
Oh dear God.
Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
haven't you noticed that for the most part the women on inforoo (apart from a few regular posters, which i can count on one hand probably) stay out of 98% of the arguments and threads on this board that get totally out of control in a negative way?
this is just like the bull crap with emoney, i made a few posts about why you didn't need to be upset about him being banned and it turned into i think flanzo is the worst poster ever, which wasn't even remotely what i said.
you boys can be fairly condescending, antagonistic and down right nasty sometimes. its one thing to insult someone's music taste, another to rain down your judgements on their life and life choices.
inforoo is a HUGE part of my life now, but b/c of the relationships i've formed outside it and not b/c of threads in here.
i mean, i made one post and this is what i was told:
Post by nodepression on Jul 21, 2012 0:02:08 GMT -5
Whether or not there are less women who participate on this board for whatever reason isn't really the same as you accusing the board's dude bros of being antagonistic towards women.
well when i'm the only one attacked for weighing into arguments and i'm the only girl who's doing it, then its kind of hard not to come to that conclusion.
its not like i am saying the men of inforoo run down the streets beating down women.
but once again, please put more words into my posts that aren't there.
newflash, if i don't talk like a regular person than at least half the people on this board are quacking aliens.
Hahaha are you serious? Are you really pretending that is what happened? That you just posted one thing and I said you should talk like a normal person? You're going to lie about the fact that you posted more than just one thing and then you'll take out my full quote to make me look bad?
Let's go through the series of events.
You made this post that I felt a need to respond to, since I felt it was completely wrong.
we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY goddang THING IN THE WHOLE quacking WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??)
this kind of reminds me of the time when noD said that b/c i posted a not so lady-like story in the sex thread, that i was a terrible teacher and did not deserve to have a job.
noD and juggs (or anyone else on this board for that matter) are NOT the world police OR the inforoo police.
this is soooooo old. all ya'll need to shut up.
You have some weird grudge you're holding against nodepression. That's fine. But you came in and posted something that was totally wrong and i'm sure others would agree that what you were saying is not what was actually going on. It really had nothing to do with the argument that was actually going on. This was nothing about noD and juggs thinking they're better than everyone else.
actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.
Which again was wrong. That's actually not was what being argued at all. So I replied saying that much and asked you to stop using hyperbole. Yes I said "talk like a normal person" but I think using my full quote would be helpful and not just those few words.
actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.
Please give it a rest EAP because that's not what is being argued at all. You're blowing things way out of proportion. No need for hyperbole...just talk like a normal person. Juggs and noD said nothing like that and both have repeatedly pointed out they weren't even talking about parenting. So stop pelase.
EAP - this has nothing to do with you being a woman. This had nothing to do with juggs or Nodepression thinking they know anything about anyone's parenting skills or what makes a good parent. You were posting things that were false and completely nonsensical. More posters than myself pointed out that what you were saying was not being argued at all. So I'll thank you to not misrepresent my posts and make it seem like I was not letting you speak your mind because you're a woman. That was really insulting on your part and I feel like I was more than fair to you.
Post by awolfthedoor on Jul 21, 2012 0:20:50 GMT -5
I'm really disappointed with our engagements in the Dark Knight Rises thread, so I thought I would bring it here. I don't want to shit up what has been a really good thread so far.
Should I just not post ever in a serious manner? I deleted my account because I was disappointed with the drama and, what I felt was, an unfair nature of moderating here. I created another account because I very much like engaging many of the members here. I have not at all been confrontational to you or anyone else here since my return. So why are you ad hom'ing me constantly in that thread.