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At the end of the day it comes down to this. Your employer is able to make a decision about what kind of medical care you can receive. That seems pretty fucked up to me.
While I 10000000% support a woman's right to use contraceptives, you can't just throw the 1st amendment out the window and pretend like David Green doesn't have his constitutional rights. The right to free exercise of religion and separation of church and state is a very basic and fundamental premise for our constitution. It should be fiercely guarded so that the government cannot force people to violate their religious beliefs.
On the other hand, even religion shouldn't allowed as an excuse when it results in a significant harm to others. I guess this is REALLY what it comes down to. Its one thing to refuse to recite the pledge of allegiance for religious reasons. It's another thing to deny other people proper health care because of your own personal religious beliefs. Hopefully one day we'll have a progressive enough SCOTUS to understand the harm that they are causing.
I guess I gotta agree with Bacon on this one. (Even though JFG makes some good points).
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I want to thank everyone who helped me win Ray LaMontagne tickets a few weeks back. I ended up with center pit seats! After convincing myself I'd be on the 4th floor balcony, seeing the tickets made me cry. As did Ray's voice, many times. He was in such a sweet mood and spoke more than I've ever heard him before. He told stories and joked and shattered my heart and healed it at the same time. I needed that. Thank you. (I put a few more pictures on my facebook if you haven't seen them.)
I was thinking that at first, but times are hard, I'm sure Hobby Lobby employs lots of people that would love to have a different job. Plus it puts the blame on the wrong party.
I guess that is where we agree to disagree. I believe everyone should have the chance to be a butthole and show it to the world - that way we can all point and say "What a Butthole!".
The people that then work for the Butthole justify making the Butthole more wealthy in their own private way. Or, you don't work for the Butthole. How important is it for you to not help the Butthole with your labors? Are you willing to work less appealing hours doing less appealing things, maybe in a new geographical area for potentially less money? How much does the Butthole's behavior bother you?
Butthole tolerance level is a personal choice that I would rather not see legislated, or in this case, adjudicated.
When a large part of the work force is having a difficult time finding any job whatsoever, being able to turn away a job because you don't agree with its shareholders' principles is a luxury very, very few have. I don't like working for a major corporation, period. I see the notion of corporations-as-people to be immoral in and of itself. However, I do like having a warm home and food to eat, so I still get up and go to work each morning. It's incredibly difficult to make a living wage doing something that doesn't contribute to the system that makes making a living wage so difficult - that's part of why our economic situation is so screwed up.
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I guess that is where we agree to disagree. I believe everyone should have the chance to be a butthole and show it to the world - that way we can all point and say "What a Butthole!".
The people that then work for the Butthole justify making the Butthole more wealthy in their own private way. Or, you don't work for the Butthole. How important is it for you to not help the Butthole with your labors? Are you willing to work less appealing hours doing less appealing things, maybe in a new geographical area for potentially less money? How much does the Butthole's behavior bother you?
Butthole tolerance level is a personal choice that I would rather not see legislated, or in this case, adjudicated.
When a large part of the work force is having a difficult time finding any job whatsoever, being able to turn away a job because you don't agree with its shareholders' principles is a luxury very, very few have. I don't like working for a major corporation, period. I see the notion of corporations-as-people to be immoral in and of itself. However, I do like having a warm home and food to eat, so I still get up and go to work each morning. It's incredibly difficult to make a living wage doing something that doesn't contribute to the system that makes making a living wage so difficult - that's part of why our economic situation is so screwed up.
This is literally what capitalism is - the exploitation of the worker for the benefit of the owner. It's what it means to be a consumer and to live in a capitalist society. You are guilty of the same exploitation that is wrought on you as long as you enjoy the fruits of the system. You get exploited by corporations, and you in turn exploit the 3rd world by buying products and services built on slave labor. This is the framework of the ideology - and if you feel guilty about it, you can give a penance in the form of buying products like Starbucks that "give back" or from companies that donate to arbitrary charities, and marginally improve the lives of the exploited. Of course, in doing so you're giving carte blanche to the system that exploited them in the first place.
The premise of the trickle down is that someone at the top is taking a piss, and we're all drinking it.
When you study capitalism and its ideology, in all of its forms, you realize its true nature. It's why we're constantly in "crisis mode", with a new one invented everyday. This isn't due to a *problem* with capitalism, it is literally its intended mode, it remains in constant crisis mode as a means of self-perpetuation and evolution. It's the colossal joke of the system - the consumer holds all of the true agency, but will never reject the system that enslaves them because they are unwilling to accept the lifestyle change it would require.
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At 'Roo, I overheard a bunch of engineering students about to graduate talking about it, they were in the field going "we should become farmers, we'd be free from the system, we'd grow our own food, do whatever we wanted on our land, and just be happy and self-sufficient", "yeah man, but I don't like working outdoors", "oh well, I guess we'll just get paid well as engineers and won't care that we don't party anymore". Didn't leave much to the imagination, it's pretty clear when you're literally sacrificing every aspect of your identity (music, self-agency, freedom of choice, etc) for money, that money is your god.
At the end of the day it comes down to this. Your employer is able to make a decision about what kind of medical care you can receive. That seems pretty fucked up to me.
Without saying anything about how I feel about the decision itself (because it's really long and I'm at work, so I only read the syllabus/summary part at the beginning), I'm not entirely sure this is accurate. Currently, not-for-profit religious employers have an exception, under which the employer doesn't have to pay any part of the employee's coverage for the particular contraceptives at issue, and instead, the insurer provides plan participants with separate coverage without any cost sharing requirements for either the employer or the employee. I think the opinion basically says this same type of exception could be extended to for-profit corporations. So the employees could still get the coverage; the employer just wouldn't be paying any part of it.
But again, I'm not commenting on anything beyond this specific aspect of the issue, and my knowledge of this is extremely limited, so if I'm misunderstanding, someone please correct me!
Stuff like this makes me wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's case was because of deeply held religious beliefs and how much was because of Christianity being seen as a target market (see the influx of Christian themed movies in first run cinemas).
Here’s how it will work. On Thursday, July 3rd, everyone go to their local Hobby Lobby and snap a picture in the store — it can be with your favorite product, a cashier, or a selfie with the store logo in the background. Hold up your message to Hobby Lobby — you can say “Thank You!” or whatever else. Or, if you want, you could hold up a message to the President. Tweet this blog your photos of you in their store, or tag me on Facebook with them. I’ll post them on here. Use the hashtag #HobbyLobbyLove or tag @hobbylobbylove. (end snip)
Join me in not shopping at Hobby Lobby, eating barbecue, drinking alcoholic beverages, and shooting illegal fire works. Also, don't forget to take your apparently "chid aborting" birth control pill.
Here’s how it will work. On Thursday, July 3rd, everyone go to their local Hobby Lobby and snap a picture in the store — it can be with your favorite product, a cashier, or a selfie with the store logo in the background. Hold up your message to Hobby Lobby — you can say “Thank You!” or whatever else. Or, if you want, you could hold up a message to the President. Tweet this blog your photos of you in their store, or tag me on Facebook with them. I’ll post them on here. Use the hashtag #HobbyLobbyLove or tag @hobbylobbylove. (end snip)
This just may backfire on them...
"Dear Mr. President, I am sorry you have to deal with Scalia. #hobbylobbylove"
Stuff like this makes me wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's case was because of deeply held religious beliefs and how much was because of Christianity being seen as a target market (see the influx of Christian themed movies in first run cinemas).
I wonder that too. Have you seen the article about Hobby Lobby's retirement fund investing in the companies that produce the contraceptives that they object to in this case? I'd link it, but I hate trying to do that from my phone.
Stuff like this makes me wonder how much of Hobby Lobby's case was because of deeply held religious beliefs and how much was because of Christianity being seen as a target market (see the influx of Christian themed movies in first run cinemas).
I wonder that too. Have you seen the article about Hobby Lobby's retirement fund investing in the companies that produce the contraceptives that they object to in this case? I'd link it, but I hate trying to do that from my phone.
When a large part of the work force is having a difficult time finding any job whatsoever, being able to turn away a job because you don't agree with its shareholders' principles is a luxury very, very few have. I don't like working for a major corporation, period. I see the notion of corporations-as-people to be immoral in and of itself. However, I do like having a warm home and food to eat, so I still get up and go to work each morning. It's incredibly difficult to make a living wage doing something that doesn't contribute to the system that makes making a living wage so difficult - that's part of why our economic situation is so screwed up.
The premise of the trickle down is that someone at the top is taking a piss, and we're all drinking it.
So I guess that makes it tinkle down theory then, huh?
I'm not a fan of capitalism at all, but I have trouble with finding ways to truly make a difference that doesn't involve a complete revolution. Some would say that that's what's called for, but I'm not there yet. How can the average person make a difference?
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At the end of the day it comes down to this. Your employer is able to make a decision about what kind of medical care you can receive. That seems pretty fucked up to me.
Without saying anything about how I feel about the decision itself (because it's really long and I'm at work, so I only read the syllabus/summary part at the beginning), I'm not entirely sure this is accurate. Currently, not-for-profit religious employers have an exception, under which the employer doesn't have to pay any part of the employee's coverage for the particular contraceptives at issue, and instead, the insurer provides plan participants with separate coverage without any cost sharing requirements for either the employer or the employee. I think the opinion basically says this same type of exception could be extended to for-profit corporations. So the employees could still get the coverage; the employer just wouldn't be paying any part of it.
But again, I'm not commenting on anything beyond this specific aspect of the issue, and my knowledge of this is extremely limited, so if I'm misunderstanding, someone please correct me!
IF the employer or employee isn't paying, then who is? The insurance company?
Without saying anything about how I feel about the decision itself (because it's really long and I'm at work, so I only read the syllabus/summary part at the beginning), I'm not entirely sure this is accurate. Currently, not-for-profit religious employers have an exception, under which the employer doesn't have to pay any part of the employee's coverage for the particular contraceptives at issue, and instead, the insurer provides plan participants with separate coverage without any cost sharing requirements for either the employer or the employee. I think the opinion basically says this same type of exception could be extended to for-profit corporations. So the employees could still get the coverage; the employer just wouldn't be paying any part of it.
But again, I'm not commenting on anything beyond this specific aspect of the issue, and my knowledge of this is extremely limited, so if I'm misunderstanding, someone please correct me!
IF the employer or employee isn't paying, then who is? The insurance company?
That's how I read "the insurer". I'm usually wrong though.
Post by heyyitskait on Jun 30, 2014 17:28:40 GMT -5
If your doctor were to write up something that explains that you take birth control pills for reasons other than birth control, would these corporations then cover the cost? Or is it off the table no matter what the reason?
I know you can do something similar for brand name vs. generic drugs if your plan doesn't cover the brand name.
I know that's what she wrote. Its just hard for me to believe that an insurance company would just give something away "for free"
The syllabus says, "Under this accommodation, the insurance issuer must exclude contraceptive coverage from the employer's plan and provide plan participants with separate payments for contraceptive services without imposing any cost-sharing requirements on the employer, its insurance plan, or its employee beneficiaries."
That sounds to me like the insurer has to do it, but I have no idea where that money is supposed to come from. My guess would be general across the board increases, but that's purely speculation.
I just said this on Facebook and I'll say it here. With the economy what it is, there are many people out there who are having to settle for whatever they can get... Oral contraceptives have so many other practical medical uses other than just preventing pregnancy. They are used for acne, dysfunctional bleeding, etc...
It's kinda weird. Most people seem to become more conservative as they age. I don't seem to fit that mold
Exactly. Not to over share, though why stop now, I can't get pregnant because I have PCOS. I take birth control to help regulate my hormones and keep everything in whack. Without it I will not ovulate quite literally for months at a time, longest I went off birth control was like 8 months or something crazy. If I was told that insurance wouldn't cover birth control it would present me with some severe health issues. I'm not the only person out there in this situation, and I'm sure Hobby Lobby employees have someone in this, or a similar, situation as well. What about those people? I don't understand how they can just not cover it when it has other uses.
However, I'm honestly a little confused by all of this. Birth control and lady doctor visits are free now for women, I thought this was a universal thing. Is it just that your insurance is now required to cover those costs in full making it free? What about Planned Parenthood? They give out free contraceptives, don't they? I feel like there has to be a way to circumvent the inability to get birth control now. The whole thing really just doesn't make sense to me. To tell someone they can't have a medication is just ridiculous.... In addition, I hope they realize that maternity leave is much more expensive than just providing female healthcare.
I'm getting really angry about all this now. I wasn't angry when I started, now I'm angry. I love shopping at Hobby Lobby too, dammit.
a stripper i met this weekend liked my profile picture, have a date with a girl i used to like and my f*ck friend from college messaged me wanting to hang out.
maybe I should update my facebook picture more often. jesus.
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