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Is this a good example of 'tragedy of the commons', though? Take overfishing a certain area, for example:
Rules are set: No one takes more than two fish, and everybody will have fish for a longer time. If you do take more - like 6 fish, not only will the fish be eventually depleted for everyone - you will (if caught) face penalties.
Of course, those who run that risk do so KNOWING (this is the important part) they will get those six fish, at least until the fishery collapses or they get caught, while all the suckers rule-abiders make due with two.
To make it more like the 'real world' from which the term was born, the experiment should run over at least two or three 'tests'. Knowing there are multiple chances to get 'fish' and ultimately an unknown but limited supply of 'fish', one can settle for two each times, getting four to six total. One might be tempted to take six 'fish' each chance - if you know you did poorly on a certain test and really need the points / fish right now - knowing that the day is coming the extra fish / points will run out for all. But you got yours.
In the case of the example given in the link, if enough people take six no one gets anything. The overfishers should get something for the risk, with a variable chance they get caught and lose it all.
Yes, it is. Tragedy of the commons just refers to any nonformally regulated common good/service/etc. Your specific example is not directly analgous to the test situation, but ToC still applies. There are only a finite number of extra credit points (2.4x the class size) if this gets exceeded, then the output can't be realized.
Let's take the original basis for ToC, common grazing areas for farmers. Assume they have cows, and there is only a finite area for grazing. The land can handle 10% over grazing, bit any more and then cows go hungry and die and nobody gets any beef or milk.
You just set up extra arbitrary rules in your scenario because you thought self interested parties should be rewarded for risk. The original test question is a fine example of ToC.
Is this a good example of 'tragedy of the commons', though? Take overfishing a certain area, for example:
Rules are set: No one takes more than two fish, and everybody will have fish for a longer time. If you do take more - like 6 fish, not only will the fish be eventually depleted for everyone - you will (if caught) face penalties.
Of course, those who run that risk do so KNOWING (this is the important part) they will get those six fish, at least until the fishery collapses or they get caught, while all the suckers rule-abiders make due with two.
To make it more like the 'real world' from which the term was born, the experiment should run over at least two or three 'tests'. Knowing there are multiple chances to get 'fish' and ultimately an unknown but limited supply of 'fish', one can settle for two each times, getting four to six total. One might be tempted to take six 'fish' each chance - if you know you did poorly on a certain test and really need the points / fish right now - knowing that the day is coming the extra fish / points will run out for all. But you got yours.
In the case of the example given in the link, if enough people take six no one gets anything. The overfishers should get something for the risk, with a variable chance they get caught and lose it all.
Yes, it is. Tragedy of the commons just refers to any nonformally regulated common good/service/etc. Your specific example is not directly analgous to the test situation, but ToC still applies. There are only a finite number of extra credit points (2.4x the class size) if this gets exceeded, then the output can't be realized.
Let's take the original basis for ToC, common grazing areas for farmers. Assume they have cows, and there is only a finite area for grazing. The land can handle 10% over grazing, bit any more and then cows go hungry and die and nobody gets any beef or milk.
You just set up extra arbitrary rules in your scenario because you thought self interested parties should be rewarded for risk. The original test question is a fine example of ToC.
Well, f°ck me then. Just checking, where did I offer an opinion that cheaters should prosper? I said in real life, they do...for a time.
I guess the people who ran more cows get nothing extra for cheating. Why do it then? No wait, they got more than their fair share of cows/milk before the collapse.
Wonder why ToC's have played out for centuries, with little end in sight? Cheating works to a selfish mindset, as long as the perceived gains of cheating outweigh the perceived risks of getting caught (they obviously are not as concerned about long term). In the prof's scenario the is no risk to the cheaters - everybody loses. Zero sum game.
In the end, everybody does lose; in the interim cheaters win until caught.
I liked NBF and Snowman's responses. I'm also surprised the average is that low. My thinking is the only play is to pick 2. If we broadly categorize people there's likely someone that really feels they need the 6, someone thinking selfishly, and someone that isn't concerned, so they go high for the hell of it/just to fuck with people. In a class of 30 you'd have 3, at the very least, that fall into those groups. Asking for two seems the only safe way to have a shot at any points.
I'd look more as passing the challenge over my own personal score.
My reasoning is more along these lines: I would expect more than 10% to pick the 6% so it is a relatively moot point, but the chances of being the one person that puts it over 10% is so low (especially in a big online class like this appears to be) that it is worth taking the 6% chance.
Agree with you on the moot-pointedness, but there is no one person who puts it over 10%. Even though this question is administered individually, what it's really doing is questioning the class as a whole. The individuals submit the responses, but the effects of those responses are decided within a group context (10% of the group choosing 6 points). When choosing the 6 points because you feel like you're fucked regardless, all you're doing is sealing your own fate and externalizing the responsibility of that to your classmates. "I just chose it because I knew that they would too; it's their fault. If I didn't think they'd choose the six points too, I'd have chosen differently." You're probably right that other people are thinking the same thing, but adding yourself to the group that collectively fucks the class doesn't help you (or anyone else, for that matter). If the odds are in favor of you getting fucked, you want to choose the option that lessens those odds. You might be swimming against the current and those efforts might be in vain, but there is a greater chance of getting a 2 point payout than a 6 point payout.
5.5/four tet, daphni b2b floating points, avalon emerson 5.12/neil young 5.19/mannequin pussy 5.21/serpentwithfeet 5.25/hozier 6.12-16/bonnaroo 6.28/goose 6.29/goose 9.17/the national + the war on drugs 9.23/sigur ros 9.27-29/making time 10.17/air
6 points. If you get only 2 (along with everyone else), you are still achieving at the same level you were when you started. 2 points higher, but still in the same slot in the curve. If you happen to go over the 6 point threshold, then you are still where you started. Universal grade inflation is phony achievement.
Take the 6, hope that everyone else fears upsetting the apple cart and then laugh at them all the way to Dean's List.
Pretty trippy, Fear and Loathing scene run through Google's Deep Dream.
I've spent the past 3 days trying to configure my system and compile the code since google released the source code for DeepDream. I want to make my own super trippy dreamscapes! Anyone with some actual understanding know how IPython?
I do not like this change. Friday was already cool, Tuesday needed something.
That's essentially what the owner (or general manager?) Of amoeba was saying on NPR yesterday, basically people already go to record stores on the weekend. Tuesday releases drove traffic throughout the week.
I do not like this change. Friday was already cool, Tuesday needed something.
That's essentially what the owner (or general manager?) Of amoeba was saying on NPR yesterday, basically people already go to record stores on the weekend. Tuesday releases drove traffic throughout the week.
I think it's a good change. Releasing records on payday always struck me as a good idea. I think there's a significant number of people who want to buy a record n Tuesday, then put it out of their mind by Friday.
Post by bansheebeat on Jul 11, 2015 23:05:58 GMT -5
The Google Deep Dream code is the closest thing I've ever seen to an accurate representation of psychedelic visuals. Particularly our good friend Dimitri.
Thanks to concert posters I am a bit of a screen print art nerd and I just discovered a new to me artist with some really amazing work. danmccarthy.org/
check out his work, especially some of the glow in the dark stuff
5.5/four tet, daphni b2b floating points, avalon emerson 5.12/neil young 5.19/mannequin pussy 5.21/serpentwithfeet 5.25/hozier 6.12-16/bonnaroo 6.28/goose 6.29/goose 9.17/the national + the war on drugs 9.23/sigur ros 9.27-29/making time 10.17/air
And just realized they had two Austin dates too (10/22-23)!
I'm trying to save up some cash, and my fall schedule is already filling up quick! Will probably wait a bit to see what my work schedule is going to be. Unfortunately they're playing my least favorite venue in Austin, but it's really the only venue that size in Austin
Austin has plenty of small to mid size venues, but runs into issues in the mid to large areas. There are only two venues that I'm aware of more then 3,000 people (Austin Music Hall at 4k, and Frank Erwin Center at 16k).
And just realized they had two Austin dates too (10/22-23)!
I'm trying to save up some cash, and my fall schedule is already filling up quick! Will probably wait a bit to see what my work schedule is going to be. Unfortunately they're playing my least favorite venue in Austin, but it's really the only venue that size in Austin
Austin has plenty of small to mid size venues, but runs into issues in the mid to large areas. There are only two venues that I'm aware of more then 3,000 people (Austin Music Hall at 4k, and Frank Erwin Center at 16k).
Apparently they're tearing it down, some MMJ fans were hoping it would be before the shows and they would have to relocate but it won't be until 2016. You complain about the venue but just what until you get some anywhere USA office building instead.
And just realized they had two Austin dates too (10/22-23)!
I'm trying to save up some cash, and my fall schedule is already filling up quick! Will probably wait a bit to see what my work schedule is going to be. Unfortunately they're playing my least favorite venue in Austin, but it's really the only venue that size in Austin
Austin has plenty of small to mid size venues, but runs into issues in the mid to large areas. There are only two venues that I'm aware of more then 3,000 people (Austin Music Hall at 4k, and Frank Erwin Center at 16k).
Apparently they're tearing it down, some MMJ fans were hoping it would be before the shows and they would have to relocate but it won't be until 2016. You complain about the venue but just what until you get some anywhere USA office building instead.
Whoa, didn't realize they were tearing it down!
They just renovated it in 2006-2007 for ~$4.5 million. I'm still astounded they spent that much money and came out with such a shitty venue. The acoustics in that place are without a doubt, the WORST I've personally experienced.
Who in their right mind though, "Hey, let's make all the surfaces concrete, and have tons of 90° angles/parallel walls. That'll sound great!"
I think it's actually a good thing in the long run for Austin. Someone else will enter the market with a venue in the 3-7k size range. It will probably take a few years, but I bet it happens eventually. Either that, or everyone just plays the ACL Moody Theatre (2700 capacity) or Stubbs (2200 capacity). Tickets would be harder to get for some acts, but at least you'd be able to enjoy the show.
The Moody Theatre is absolutely AMAZING. There isn't a bad seat in the house, even the worst ones have a good view. And the acoustics are to die for. Wish I could see more shows there. But maybe that will happen now with Austin Music Hall gone.
Whenever a band would announce a show there, I'd cringe. I'd only go if it was a band I was a die hard fan of.
Good riddance, Austin Music Hall, you WON'T be missed!
Apparently they're tearing it down, some MMJ fans were hoping it would be before the shows and they would have to relocate but it won't be until 2016. You complain about the venue but just what until you get some anywhere USA office building instead.
Whoa, didn't realize they were tearing it down!
They just renovated it in 2006-2007 for ~$4.5 million. I'm still astounded they spent that much money and came out with such a shitty venue. The acoustics in that place are without a doubt, the WORST I've personally experienced.
Who in their right mind though, "Hey, let's make all the surfaces concrete, and have tons of 90° angles/parallel walls. That'll sound great!"
I think it's actually a good thing in the long run for Austin. Someone else will enter the market with a venue in the 3-7k size range. It will probably take a few years, but I bet it happens eventually. Either that, or everyone just plays the ACL Moody Theatre (2700 capacity) or Stubbs (2200 capacity). Tickets would be harder to get for some acts, but at least you'd be able to enjoy the show.
The Moody Theatre is absolutely AMAZING. There isn't a bad seat in the house, even the worst ones have a good view. And the acoustics are to die for. Wish I could see more shows there. But maybe that will happen now with Austin Music Hall gone.
Whenever a band would announce a show there, I'd cringe. I'd only go if it was a band I was a die hard fan of.
Good riddance, Austin Music Hall, you WON'T be missed!
You would assume they would bring in acoustics consultants for a project like that, but at least in my experience acoustics is something that gets a half an hour boring lecture and no consideration beyond that in architecture school. Some of the stuff seems like common sense to me, but I think many of my classmates wouldn't even think about it.
They just renovated it in 2006-2007 for ~$4.5 million. I'm still astounded they spent that much money and came out with such a shitty venue. The acoustics in that place are without a doubt, the WORST I've personally experienced.
Who in their right mind though, "Hey, let's make all the surfaces concrete, and have tons of 90° angles/parallel walls. That'll sound great!"
I think it's actually a good thing in the long run for Austin. Someone else will enter the market with a venue in the 3-7k size range. It will probably take a few years, but I bet it happens eventually. Either that, or everyone just plays the ACL Moody Theatre (2700 capacity) or Stubbs (2200 capacity). Tickets would be harder to get for some acts, but at least you'd be able to enjoy the show.
The Moody Theatre is absolutely AMAZING. There isn't a bad seat in the house, even the worst ones have a good view. And the acoustics are to die for. Wish I could see more shows there. But maybe that will happen now with Austin Music Hall gone.
Whenever a band would announce a show there, I'd cringe. I'd only go if it was a band I was a die hard fan of.
Good riddance, Austin Music Hall, you WON'T be missed!
You would assume they would bring in acoustics consultants for a project like that, but at least in my experience acoustics is something that gets a half an hour boring lecture and no consideration beyond that in architecture school. Some of the stuff seems like common sense to me, but I think many of my classmates wouldn't even think about it.
Wow, that's sad. I could understand acoustics being swept under the rug for offices/normal buildings. But if you're spending $4.5M on a space specifically for music, and you don't address/care about acoustics, you deserve to fail.
You would assume they would bring in acoustics consultants for a project like that, but at least in my experience acoustics is something that gets a half an hour boring lecture and no consideration beyond that in architecture school. Some of the stuff seems like common sense to me, but I think many of my classmates wouldn't even think about it.
Wow, that's sad. I could understand acoustics being swept under the rug for offices/normal buildings. But if you're spending $4.5M on a space specifically for music, and you don't address/care about acoustics, you deserve to fail.
Shit, the worst seat in the house is literally 90' from the stage.
I <3 Moody Theater.
Too be fair it's much easier to get it right when you are starting from scratch instead of converting a warehouse which is what i'm assuming they did for AMH from the pictures I've seen from the inside.
I encourage everyone to listen to Lil Wayne's new album FWA, if only for the educational experience it provides, as I just learned that there is such a thing as "post bail ballin." Learning something new ERRY DAY. Notable lyrics from the track:
Farewell warden, I'm post bail ballin' Go tell the warden I'm, post bail ballin' Inmate Carter, post bail ballin'
(I've had to skip most of the songs before they're done; time to hang up the towel, Weez)
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I encourage everyone to listen to Lil Wayne's new album FWA, if only for the educational experience it provides, as I just learned that there is such a thing as "post bail ballin." Learning something new ERRY DAY. Notable lyrics from the track:
Farewell warden, I'm post bail ballin' Go tell the warden I'm, post bail ballin' Inmate Carter, post bail ballin'
(I've had to skip most of the songs before they're done; time to hang up the towel, Weez)
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 13, 2015 14:23:23 GMT -5
This is a cruel joke. They released posters from the Grateful Dead shows and I can't get in. Seems like east coasters having issues or something. Goddamn it. They were for a reasonable price, too.
Hey buddy you should probably take the fact that you are the recruitment chair for your recently disbanded by the university for hazing offenses fraternity out of your signature before emailing me applying for jobs.
Post by monkybunney on Jul 13, 2015 20:19:50 GMT -5
I thought I'd take a look at what the flaming lips are up to. And while browsing their site I stumbled on Wayne's instagram and WT actual F?!?! LEAVE MILEY ALONE!!! RRAAAARRRGGGHHH. Oh my god these people commenting on his photo's are more fucked up than a soup sandwich.
I thought I'd take a look at what the flaming lips are up to. And while browsing their site I stumbled on Wayne's instagram and WT actual F?!?! LEAVE MILEY ALONE!!! RRAAAARRRGGGHHH. Oh my god these people commenting on his photo's are more fucked up than a soup sandwich.
wayne coyne's instagram has been banned and re-created so damn many times. lots of bewbs.