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Post by justinmn9319 on Jul 10, 2015 7:19:31 GMT -5
taking the new girl golfing with me tomorrow afternoon then going camping in the evening. should be a fantastic weekend! if work could just be done.....that'd be great
That is some bullshit. You have to pick the 2 point if you really want to get extra points, because depending on how many people are in the class, that 10% is easy to achieve (unless there are 100 or more in the class).
Post by snowmanomura on Jul 10, 2015 10:22:25 GMT -5
I would pick six points, always. I'd expect the rest of the class to care enough about their grades that they want at least the 2 points rather than none. I never really cared about my grades (caveat: I was also a pretty good student) so if no points were awarded, I wouldn't care. It's a no risk gamble for me.
I don't consider it bullshit because 1. It's extra credit. Nobody has the right to bitch about it 2. 2 or 6 points if on a 100 point scale doesn't matter much 3. The mental exercise, game theory, and life lesson from that is probably more valuable than whatever the subject material of their test was.
I don't consider it bullshit because 1. It's extra credit. Nobody has the right to bitch about it 2. 2 or 6 points if on a 100 point scale doesn't matter much 3. The mental exercise, game theory, and life lesson from that is probably more valuable than whatever the subject material of their test was.
I would pick six points, always. I'd expect the rest of the class to care enough about their grades that they want at least the 2 points rather than none. I never really cared about my grades (caveat: I was also a pretty good student) so if no points were awarded, I wouldn't care. It's a no risk gamble for me.
That's interesting because I think I would always pick the two points for kind of a similar reason that you said you'd pick the six. I did care about my grades, but I didn't usually worry about them because I was also a pretty good student. So I'd have been confident enough in my grade that I wouldn't have felt like I needed the extra points and would have been content with taking the two and letting someone who needed it go for the six, rather than decreasing the likelihood that anybody would get the extra points by adding to the number of people who chose six.
I would pick six points, always. I'd expect the rest of the class to care enough about their grades that they want at least the 2 points rather than none. I never really cared about my grades (caveat: I was also a pretty good student) so if no points were awarded, I wouldn't care. It's a no risk gamble for me.
That's interesting because I think I would always pick the two points for kind of a similar reason that you said you'd pick the six. I did care about my grades, but I didn't usually worry about them because I was also a pretty good student. So I'd have been confident enough in my grade that I wouldn't have felt like I needed the extra points and would have been content with taking the two and letting someone who needed it go for the six, rather than decreasing the likelihood that anybody would get the extra points by adding to the number of people who chose six?
Pretty much what I was thinking. Wouldn't matter much either way to me, so would let some others go for the 6 if they thought they really needed it.
Post by Dave Maynar on Jul 10, 2015 10:55:03 GMT -5
There's no way it wouldn't get above ten percent unless the class was small and knew each other. They could work out who really needed it. If it was one of those huge lecture hall stadium classes, I doubt you could keep it under 50%.
There's no way it wouldn't get above ten percent unless the class was small and knew each other. They could work out who really needed it. If it was one of those huge lecture hall stadium classes, I doubt you could keep it under 50%.
The article says that the professor has been doing the same experiment since 2008, and it's only been under 10% once.
There's no way it wouldn't get above ten percent unless the class was small and knew each other. They could work out who really needed it. If it was one of those huge lecture hall stadium classes, I doubt you could keep it under 50%.
The article says that the professor has been doing the same experiment since 2008, and it's only been under 10% once.
I would pick six points, always. I'd expect the rest of the class to care enough about their grades that they want at least the 2 points rather than none. I never really cared about my grades (caveat: I was also a pretty good student) so if no points were awarded, I wouldn't care. It's a no risk gamble for me.
That's interesting because I think I would always pick the two points for kind of a similar reason that you said you'd pick the six. I did care about my grades, but I didn't usually worry about them because I was also a pretty good student. So I'd have been confident enough in my grade that I wouldn't have felt like I needed the extra points and would have been content with taking the two and letting someone who needed it go for the six, rather than decreasing the likelihood that anybody would get the extra points by adding to the number of people who chose six?
your logic makes total sense, and SHOULD be what i would do, from a completely altruistic standpoint.
My major was very insular and not very large (~30-40 people), and therefore nearly all my classes had the same group of students, the majority of which were grade obssesive kids trying to get into med school; arguing every little point with professors, borderline (or outright) cheating/dishonesty, forgoing actually learning the material for rote memorization for the sake of obtaining a grade, and basically embodying the over-achiever stereotypes (and now I teach kids like that, it is even worse from the other side of the aisle). I know there were kids in the class who would pick 6 points because they wanted to get the 6 and others to only get the 2 in order to elevate their status in our cohort, legitimately self-interested kids. By picking the 6 points, I reduce their chances of getting extra credit; essentially I wanted to play the spoiler. Conversely, if I did get the 6 points, I get to be that aloof kid in the back of class who got points he didn't even want or need, which would also incense some population of the pre-med crowd. There is no tragedy of the commons for me, because I am not looking for the best interest of the group, and I'm not really doing it for my own self interest. I just want to watch the world burn, I guess. (and, in another bit of a bet/armchair psychology, professors can be pretty cool about giving extra credit to students who approach them privately to discuss their situation. The possibility for extra credit in this case implies this professor's grades aren't absolutes and a humble and well reasoned request for 2 points could be sufficient).
Hmmm, that makes me sound like a rather vicious person. It's actually really childish, and immature too I guess. And in a situation other than a grade on a paper I feel confident I can set aside that selfish whim for a more utilitarian outcome. But I really disliked the academic behavior and attitudes of a lot kids in my classes.
I definitely was part of a similar situation/experiment in college. I don't remember what it was about- can't say if it was or wasn't about extra points- but it was similar. I definitely chose the lesser because I am me and the idea of everyone evenly getting a little was the only reasonable option.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
There's no way it wouldn't get above ten percent unless the class was small and knew each other. They could work out who really needed it. If it was one of those huge lecture hall stadium classes, I doubt you could keep it under 50%.
The article says that the professor has been doing the same experiment since 2008, and it's only been under 10% once.
Another article on it said on average about 20% pick the 6, which is much lower than I would of expected. I would take the 6 every time
The fact that so many people would pick the 6 is a pretty good analogy for why the world's so shitty.
Edit: Not just referring to people on the board or anything like that. Just in general. It's like a combination of "If I can't get mine, no one else can either" and choosing a bigger risk for a bigger reward instead of a safer choice. But then again you have to consider/bank on what other people are going to pick, which is what makes it interesting and maybe on a strictly rational level the 6 is a better choice. But still. I'd pick the two.
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Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jul 10, 2015 14:57:03 GMT -5
It seems like the story of this professor's question would work its way down to future classes and they could get together and decide which students may need the 6.
The fact that so many people would pick the 6 is a pretty good analogy for why the world's so shitty.
Edit: Not just referring to people on the board or anything like that. Just in general. It's like a combination of "If I can't get mine, no one else can either" and choosing a bigger risk for a bigger reward instead of a safer choice. But then again you have to consider/bank on what other people are going to pick, which is what makes it interesting and maybe on a strictly rational level the 6 is a better choice. But still. I'd pick the two.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
The article says that the professor has been doing the same experiment since 2008, and it's only been under 10% once.
Another article on it said on average about 20% pick the 6, which is much lower than I would of expected. I would take the 6 every time
I liked NBF and Snowman's responses. I'm also surprised the average is that low. My thinking is the only play is to pick 2. If we broadly categorize people there's likely someone that really feels they need the 6, someone thinking selfishly, and someone that isn't concerned, so they go high for the hell of it/just to fuck with people. In a class of 30 you'd have 3, at the very least, that fall into those groups. Asking for two seems the only safe way to have a shot at any points.
I'd look more towards passing the challenge then my own personal score. I just like puzzles/exercises.
Another article on it said on average about 20% pick the 6, which is much lower than I would of expected. I would take the 6 every time
I liked NBF and Snowman's responses. I'm also surprised the average is that low. My thinking is the only play is to pick 2. If we broadly categorize people there's likely someone that really feels they need the 6, someone thinking selfishly, and someone that isn't concerned, so they go high for the hell of it/just to fuck with people. In a class of 30 you'd have 3, at the very least, that fall into those groups. Asking for two seems the only safe way to have a shot at any points.
I'd look more as passing the challenge over my own personal score.
My reasoning is more along these lines: I would expect more than 10% to pick the 6% so it is a relatively moot point, but the chances of being the one person that puts it over 10% is so low (especially in a big online class like this appears to be) that it is worth taking the 6% chance.
Is this a good example of 'tragedy of the commons', though? Take overfishing a certain area, for example:
Rules are set: No one takes more than two fish, and everybody will have fish for a longer time. If you do take more - like 6 fish, not only will the fish be eventually depleted for everyone - you will (if caught) face penalties.
Of course, those who run that risk do so KNOWING (this is the important part) they will get those six fish, at least until the fishery collapses or they get caught, while all the suckers rule-abiders make due with two.
To make it more like the 'real world' from which the term was born, the experiment should run over at least two or three 'tests'. Knowing there are multiple chances to get 'fish' and ultimately an unknown but limited supply of 'fish', one can settle for two each times, getting four to six total. One might be tempted to take six 'fish' each chance - if you know you did poorly on a certain test and really need the points / fish right now - knowing that the day is coming the extra fish / points will run out for all. But you got yours.
In the case of the example given in the link, if enough people take six no one gets anything. The overfishers should get something for the risk, with a variable chance they get caught and lose it all.