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I just don't know what to say. Apparently the RIAA considers writing a CD you BOUGHT to your computer as somehow stealing, whether or not you share it. These fuckers make me sick. Nevermind the industry was found guilty of price fixing years ago, and has yet to bring down the price of CDs. Now they're telling us that backing up music we BOUGHT is stealing. f**k them!
edit: I don't know why the link won't post...just copy it to yr address bar and remove the space between the u and the s in "must"
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
What is potentially more disturbing is that since RIAA must know how much outrage and backlash there would be for this move, yet they must firmly believe that they are making a sound decision and that the benefits outweigh the costs. And we all know they absolutely shouldn't. And that's why they'll keep doing it.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Oct 6, 2007 12:25:03 GMT -5
steveternal said:
What is potentially more disturbing is that since RIAA must know how much outrage and backlash there would be for this move, yet they must firmly believe that they are making a sound decision and that the benefits outweigh the costs. And we all know they absolutely shouldn't. And that's why they'll keep doing it.
Yeah, they seem to be doing this all on principal, to establish that "music has a value." They have absolutly no intentions of giving up some of their market share or modernizing in what is essentially a technology-drivin industry, and they will waste money suing you to prove it. Typical psychotic corperate behavior.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I am not familiar with this case but the corporations have always tried to do this. They tried to block cassette tapes saying it would bankrupt the industry and it turned out to make them millions. They tried to block VHS saying it would bankrupt the industry and it turned out to make them millions. They tried to put copying blockers on CD's, even though it corrupted the sound quality. And they put tracking software on CD's to follow where you sent it. And now they sue and alienate their consumers.
The big difference is in the 70's and 80's the courts and regulatory agencies said "No". But in todays uber-corporate state what the corporation wants, the corporation gets.
The corporate state will eventually destroy itself but unfortunately it will take a lot of us, and maybe the country, down with it.
Start/keep supporting local independent record stores and locally owned venues and refuse to pay the corporate pirates for their pimping.
The real problem lies not with the consumer who shares what he/she bought. Rather it is on the backs of fans who keep funneling fistfuls of cash into the LiveNation/clearchannel/ sony/etc empire, who in turn, use their power and $ to sue to protect their own dynasties.
Use yer hard earned mullah to fight the power. not embolden it. buying an artist a beer at yer locally owned venue helps them SO MUCH more than buying a t-shirt at the coors lite pavillion of soulsucking.
Post by easymorningrebel on Oct 9, 2007 11:55:34 GMT -5
snoochie2 said:
Use yer hard earned mullah to fight the power. not embolden it. buying an artist a beer at yer locally owned venue helps them SO MUCH more than buying a t-shirt at the coors lite pavillion of soulsucking.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Oct 9, 2007 12:52:07 GMT -5
Perhaps there's hope for the industry yeat, with Trent Reznor now a free agent due to his badmouthing his label's anti-fan stances, and now this leaked e-mail from EMI about Radiohead:
In a confidential e-mail that has been leaked, the new owner of EMI Records tells his staff Radiohead’s name-your-own-price scheme for In Rainbows is a “wake-up call” for the company. "The recorded music industry... has for too long been dependent on how many CD's can be sold, rather than embracing the digital revolution and all the opportunities is brings for promotion, the industry has stuck its head in the sand."
Or perhaps it's just wishful thinking.
Oh, and if you're feeling generous, the woman sued by the RIAA has set up a website to collect donations to pay for her appeal: www.freejammie.com/
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
The case is quickly becoming a rallying point for the file-sharing community. Already, a site has cropped up called Freejammie.com, started by a supporter who has never met Thomas. More than $2,500 has been raised by the site. Others have sent donations to Thomas' lawyer.
From www.news.com/For-RIAA,-a-black-eye-comes-with-the-job/2100-1027_3-6212374.html?tag=nefd.lede
She is also going to appeal the case - which makes me happy!
Use yer hard earned mullah to fight the power. not embolden it. buying an artist a beer at yer locally owned venue helps them SO MUCH more than buying a t-shirt at the coors lite pavillion of soulsucking.
preaching to the choir, man!
You may be right. I wouldn't be so hopeful. Read around and you'll find in no time, plenty of Inforoosters who most probably do not support child labor IN THEORY. But financially speaking, they trip over themselves to "get a deal" at Wal-Mart.
Same goes for people who don't discriminate amongst the type of venue that they trip over themselves to pay ten bucks a beer at, and then bitch about it.
If your hand is in the cookie jar, I can't hear what yer complaining about.
Not you, personally, EASY, but plenty to be sure !
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Oct 9, 2007 16:29:03 GMT -5
snoochie2 said:
easymorningrebel said:
preaching to the choir, man!
You may be right. I wouldn't be so hopeful. Read around and you'll find in no time, plenty of Inforoosters who most probably do not support child labor IN THEORY. But financially speaking, they trip over themselves to "get a deal" at Wal-Mart.
Same goes for people who don't discriminate amongst the type of venue that they trip over themselves to pay ten bucks a beer at, and then bitch about it.
If your hand is in the cookie jar, I can't hear what yer complaining about.
Not you, personally, EASY, but plenty to be sure !
I agree with you about voting w/ your dollars and boycotting dispicable businesses (esp. Wal-Mart!!), but I have to question your repeated bashing of venues and beer companies for sponsoring live music. While I do prefer to see bands at smaller venues, I don't see why you shouldn't support a larger venue if they are bringing a band you want to see. Not every band can play tiny venues, some are just too big and would lose way to much money sticking to small venues to make a tour worthwhile. I'm all for anyone sponsoring live music so long as that keeps bands touring. Somebody's got to do it.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I could concede you the point if you didn't make it so charitable sounding for beer companies or venues to "sponsor" tours or events or what have you. What this actually means(along with you getting to see whatever band you must) is that beer choice will be limited, prices will be super ridiculous,official scalpers will get access to tickets first, ad infinitem. And you've got the festival scene which really stands to fair well if people reward alternatives to corporate- megaglopolis- off the freeway-soul sucking-sponsored ampitheatres and basketball arenas . And then you can still see the likes of Radiohead or The Police or whomever.
We all make choices I guess. Not out to "bash" as much as suggest. If you must attend such places, sponsored by mega beer companies(victims?), try to do so on free tickets or somethin' I guess. Or not. I just remember when it didn't always feel like it does at some of these venues.
Plus bands don't HAVE to play sh!tty corporate venues or take bogus sponsorships just to exist or get seen. That's crazytalk. I've worked around too many independent clubs and have seen more acts at ALL phases of their careers in mom and pop owned joints. good people own these places who care about your experience. I say reward them. That is all...
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Post by stallion pt. 2 on Oct 9, 2007 19:06:22 GMT -5
I agree supporting independant venues and festivals is of uttmost importance. I'm just saying if the choice is between seeing your favorite band by giving money to Ticketmaster & Bud, or not seeing your favorite band at all, I think the band would still want you to see the show. Do you boycott ACL (the TV show) b/c Bud sponsors it? I'm still amazed people were all pissed off because a few Flaming Lips shows were sponsored by Camel. Yeah, you may not like the corperation, but we live in a capitalist nation and corperate sponsorship of entertainment is an inevitablity. I'm saying I'd rather let Bud know they are helping bring some good music to town for once than boycott them on general principal.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by steveternal on Oct 9, 2007 21:03:11 GMT -5
^^^Not to mention that, as most people know, touring is just about the largest revenue for the artists themselves, certainly more than the tiny cut they get on sales of their own records. To go to a large stadium owned by a big company on a tour sponsored by another big company, yes it puts money in their pockets but proportionally speaking it puts a lot more into the pockets of the artists.
I know where yous guys are coming from, for certain. I hate it that Dylan does commercials and Steve Earle sold The Revolution Starts Now" to Chevy. I think they are both in a position to hold higher moral ground. I don't believe that my boycotts or ideals really have much of an impact. But I don't care either.
A place like the House of Blues in Cleveland is a prime example. They come into town-offer all these options to see bands in an intimate setting blahblahblah. But the fact is that these bands used to come to town anyways-and to much more grassroots venues who offered tenfold the experience. But independents are all hurting because a band's manager can book them a whole tour in one phone call by doing HOB shows. Meanwhile beautiful municipal theaters and locally owned joints get the shaft. What would change that ? Enough people deciding they don't have to be a part of it to see their band this time through. Do I rely on that happening ? No-but I don't support it for the sake of my own gratification. I seek out alternate options and urge others to do the same. It's what brought me to Bonnaroo and it's probably what will eventually lead me away.
Post by easymorningrebel on Oct 10, 2007 8:18:52 GMT -5
snoochie2 said:
A place like the House of Blues in Cleveland is a prime example. They come into town-offer all these options to see bands in an intimate setting blahblahblah. But the fact is that these bands used to come to town anyways-and to much more grassroots venues who offered tenfold the experience. But independents are all hurting because a band's manager can book them a whole tour in one phone call by doing HOB shows. Meanwhile beautiful municipal theaters and locally owned joints get the shaft. What would change that ? Enough people deciding they don't have to be a part of it to see their band this time through. Do I rely on that happening ? No-but I don't support it for the sake of my own gratification. I seek out alternate options and urge others to do the same. It's what brought me to Bonnaroo and it's probably what will eventually lead me away.
I purposely don't go to big venue shows because I don't like them and really can't afford it. I completely agree with you about the HOB franchise.
Snoochio, karma for reminding us to be more thoughtful with our spending power. Unfortunately, in the area I live in, there are almost no independent music stores and I sometimes have no choice but the big stores. I still have never bought a CD at Wal-mart though!! ;D
