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Yeah i know i know these bands have their own style. But theres no denying that the White Stripes have played a HUGE part on the develpopment Wolfmother, Coldwar Kids, and Black Keys, in terms of sound and style. I say all 4 bands get on stage and rock out!, and have a second super Jam of the weeked!!! I mean there would be so many rocked out blues/garage band riffs that i think everyone one would s.hit themselves...Is there anyone else on the lineup that seems heavily (or partially) influenced by Jack & Meg???
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 2, 2007 11:53:46 GMT -5
Wolfmother is only trying to mock the metal sounds of the late eighties by playing their riffs progressively faster and louder, I wouldn't compare them to the White Stripes in any regard. Wolfmother is a far cry from a blues/rock duo. The Black Keys have a similar sound, but they had that sound since before the White Stripes made it big, I don't think the Stripes were a big influence on them. Not really familiar with the Cold War Kids, so I can't really comment there.
Regardless, I think White Stripes/Black Keys would be cool, but the addition of any other artists will add too much noise. I saw both Wolfmother and Jack White (albeit with The Raconteurs) at Virgin festival a few months back; the guitarist from Wolfmother does not belong on the same stage as Jack White; in fact, I don't even think Jack would let him be his roadie.
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 2, 2007 12:17:53 GMT -5
I just don't understand how Andrew Stockdale (the guitarist from Wolfmother) would work on stage with Jack White. Jack would lead out on some crazy solo, while Andrew played the same chords over and over again, getting louder each time?
btw, Wolfmother lists Tool amongst their influences, but not the White Stripes, perhaps that collaboration would be more likely.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I don't think The White Stripes have had too much musical influence. To me, the White Stripes sound is a product of a heavy blues influence, mixed with the unavoidable influence of contemporary artists. This equation is not unique to the White Stripes, many new bands have the same influences, and therefore, are producing similar sounds. In general the overall sound of a band is impacted most by the bands of the generation before them, not of their peers. In any case, Jack White is a great musician, singer and songwriter.
Post by melikecheese on Mar 2, 2007 12:32:38 GMT -5
Black Keys first album dropped in 2002. 1 year after the album that made WS "huge", the thing is that album had NO BLUES in it. I don't think the first 2 strips albums influenced them at all. I think swampy southern blues was the direct influence. I think Dan and Jack could pull some sweet blues rock stuff if they jammed together. I like your thinking about these super jam 3 idea.
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 2, 2007 12:50:31 GMT -5
The White Stripes first real success (their first step to becoming "huge") was with "Fell In Love With A Girl", that single was only released three weeks before the first Black Keys album (The Big Come Up). Not sure which album you are referring to that had "NO BLUES" in it. The Big Come Up certainly has strong blues influence, so I suppose you are talking about White Blood Cells. That album isn't as "Bluesy" as their more recent stuff, but it certainly has some elements of blues.
Wolfmother is only trying to mock the metal sounds of the late eighties by playing their riffs progressively faster and louder, I wouldn't compare them to the White Stripes in any regard. Wolfmother is a far cry from a blues/rock duo. The Black Keys have a similar sound, but they had that sound since before the White Stripes made it big, I don't think the Stripes were a big influence on them. Not really familiar with the Cold War Kids, so I can't really comment there.
Regardless, I think White Stripes/Black Keys would be cool, but the addition of any other artists will add too much noise. I saw both Wolfmother and Jack White (albeit with The Raconteurs) at Virgin festival a few months back; the guitarist from Wolfmother does not belong on the same stage as Jack White; in fact, I don't even think Jack would let him be his roadie.
wolfmother has heavy influences of early black sabbath, led zeppelin, rush. late 80's??? are you crazy??? all i know is that they were good enough to play at the 07 British rock n roll hall hof inductee ceremony. led zeppelin was one of the inductees. wolfmother played after jimmy page gave his thank you speech. wolfmother played communication breakdown. it melted page's face off.
The Black Keys are a world apart from the White Stripes. I like them both, but the Keys are just pure electric blues, while the White Stripes are more of progressive blues/rock.
Here is the video Jizz mentioned:
It is a pretty damn good performance. The Wolfmother guitarist definitely isn't in the league of Tony Iommi or Page though, it holds them back. When he takes the solo on that song, it doesn't really feel that confident to me, and in their originals it's riff heavy but doesn't really feature soloing. Those solos were obviously a big part of Sabbath and LedZep, so I think comparisons are a bit of a stretch. I do like Wolfmother though and they've got a really good sound, I just think he could use some honest-to-god PRACTICE on the guitar to get his chops up.
i wasnt trying to compare them, i just hear those bands in their music. they were influenced by bands like that. yes they are pretty raw still but give them some time. i've been waiting ten years for a band like this. with all the crap out there, wolfmother is a breath of fresh metal air! i'm going to see them tonite at the vogue in indy. i'll let you know how the are!
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 2, 2007 14:26:07 GMT -5
I'm a huge Zeppelin fan, and I don't see the connection between them and Wolfmother. Aside from their Wikipedia page, I've never heard anyone put Wolfmother in that realm. Zep had so many dynamic elements, in addition to the incredible drumming, and revolutionary sound, the guitar work was unparalleled at the time. They use very difficult chords and play all over the neck. In short, that band broke new ground on the guitar. Whereas Wolfmother's success is based on more basic three chord songs, a la 80's metal.
Your average guitar player would take days learning a Zeppelin song, and twenty mintues learning a Wolfmother song. Aside from being "hard", I don't see how they are alike.
i am a massive zeppelin fan. since the 4th grade. once again, i am not COMPARING them to zeppelin. i think they are INFLUENCED by them. so you've never said that a band was influenced by another band? you are absolutely right about zeps music. but give wolfmother something more than 80's mtv metal!
I'm a huge Zeppelin fan, and I don't see the connection between them and Wolfmother. Aside from their Wikipedia page, I've never heard anyone put Wolfmother in that realm. Zep had so many dynamic elements, in addition to the incredible drumming, and revolutionary sound, the guitar work was unparalleled at the time. They use very difficult chords and play all over the neck. In short, that band broke new ground on the guitar. Whereas Wolfmother's success is based on more basic three chord songs, a la 80's metal.
Your average guitar player would take days learning a Zeppelin song, and twenty mintues learning a Wolfmother song. Aside from being "hard", I don't see how they are alike.
There are similarities, particularly the heaviness that Wolfmother has achieved in songs like Colossus give me a zep feeling. As far as the complexity of their songs, there are a few things to consider. Page had way more experience than these guys, even on Zeppelin I, he'd been in the quite successful Yardbirds, and before that he worked for years as a session guitarist. But, even still, he knew when to keep it simple, my band regularly covers Zeppelin tunes and not all of them require days to learn. Many of their most popular songs were just heavy, simple, and solid: Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, Rock and Roll? Nobody's saying that Wolfmother is as good as Zeppelin, but I am saying that there are similarities.
Post by melikecheese on Mar 2, 2007 15:47:45 GMT -5
trustme said:
The White Stripes first real success (their first step to becoming "huge") was with "Fell In Love With A Girl", that single was only released three weeks before the first Black Keys album (The Big Come Up). Not sure which album you are referring to that had "NO BLUES" in it. The Big Come Up certainly has strong blues influence, so I suppose you are talking about White Blood Cells. That album isn't as "Bluesy" as their more recent stuff, but it certainly has some elements of blues.
I was talking about White Blood Cells, Jack placed restrictions on himself while recording this, no guitar solos, no blues.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 2, 2007 16:58:38 GMT -5
The first thing i thought when i heard Wolfmother was Led Zeppelin. Not to say that Wolfmother is as good, but their sound is very similar to Zeppelins. As to those bands being influenced by the Stripes, i dont agree at all. The only one that sounds somewhat similar is The Black Keys, and as mentioned, they started around the same time, and are more strictly blues.
I kind of view the White Stripes as being far more a reflection of influences than influential. I mean, what they're doing is very specific, and I don't think it'd do a whole lot of young bands out there good to try to copy them. I mean that in a very complimentary way. I haven't come across many bands that fall into that category that I don't consider derivative or hack jobs.
I would also venture to say that more musicians would come away from listening to the Black Keys inspired to sound like them than the Stripes. I would also throw out there that I kind of consider Wolfmother to be borderline hackish from what I've heard. I mean, I haven't seen them live, but their studio stuff sort of reminds me of fellow Australian acts AC/DC, Jet and The Vines. That is to say, they don't sound authentic to me as much as a version of authenticity good at selling records to people who aren't necessarily willing to put in the legwork to find the real deal acts at their local record store.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 2, 2007 19:37:44 GMT -5
I agree about Wolfmother, i liked their album, but it wasnt even close to anything new, probably wont be checking them out unless they arent up against someone, but i defiantly understand people liking them.
