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Post by HoodooOperator on Feb 21, 2007 23:51:04 GMT -5
poopzilla33 said:
if tool can't make it i could see a NIN show instead, or maybe beastie boys or rage
but god PLEASE let tool be there
seriously, if for some reason TooL is not there, let it be Roger....i know his tour dates reflect otherwise. But hell, anythings possible in my dreams...
Maybe I'll throw myself to the dogs, but my back's not to the wall Maybe I'll lay some bricks for the man, but the days just aren't that long So if I settle back and chill will I see far enough to feel the angel's dream? I thought it was the Story of the World!
Before Thanksgiving my boss fell off a ladder. His elbow came completely out of place, ripped 4 tendons and he chipped bones in 3 places. He was sent to the Mayo Clinic, had months of physical therapy and is back 100% and playing hockey weekly. It is possible that between now and June all will be well and Tool will be at Roo.
This brings up a very good point. Someone had said six months of recovery time...but we have to take into consideration the fact that Danny Carey is a pretty strong guy. His arms are very strong because of his profession. I think that lends itself to a speedy recovery, as long as he doesn't try to do too much too soon.
Does anyone know if he had the surgery at the Mayo Clinic? Apparently the only "true expect" on reattaching tendons is there, which is why our insurance paid for my boss to go there.
Post by stuckinutero on Feb 21, 2007 23:58:54 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
How bout someone whos already there, Stuart Copeland. That'd be interesting, seeing him play with Tool, id definatly say hes capable.
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okcomputer said:
Wow... I see a lot of people vastly underrating the effect Carey has on the band. He may be the main attraction for the band. I love what the other guys bring, but Carey may be the best rock drummer on earth. You can't replace him. You can't bring in a 2nd guy to 'help out'.
This is like Zeppelin taking the stage with a replacement for Jimmy Page or Radiohead going ahead with a show minus Thom Yorke.
Seriously... he is THAT important. The chemistry that these gusy have with each other cannot be replaced and there is NO WAY that Tool would use a replacement anyway. I've been following the band long enough to know that.
Here is to Carey making a full recovery within the next month or so.
You cant compare replacing a vocalist with replacing a drummer. Bands lose vocalists and they're done with. Bands lose drummers, they replace and move on. I understand how good Carey is. I've never seen Tool play, but got comped for one of his Pygmy Love Circus shows (think thats the band). He is a very talented drummer, but he could be replaced very easily. Playing a live show with a scab drummer is no big deal. Writing an album with a scab drummer is not advisable.
I was born in the back seat of a Yellow Cab in a hospital loading zone and with the meter still running. I emerged needing a shave and shouted 'Time Square, and step on it!
Post by steveternal on Feb 22, 2007 0:23:14 GMT -5
poopzilla33 said:
so do you thik bonnaroo will announce somethign tommorrow about tool, at least soemthign that says they hope he has a speedy recovery?
They won't because that will make consumers think that Tool might have to back out, which will hurt ticket sales, and clearly Bonnaroo is doing everything they can to have record-breaking sales this year.
i think they've gotta give us at least one of two things, maybe both: either a bunch of artist additions to take people's minds off the Tool thing and create additional motivation in the minds of people who are now wavering because of Tool, or a confirmation of Tool's presence at 'roo....maybe both.
Maybe I'll throw myself to the dogs, but my back's not to the wall Maybe I'll lay some bricks for the man, but the days just aren't that long So if I settle back and chill will I see far enough to feel the angel's dream? I thought it was the Story of the World!
Post by steveternal on Feb 22, 2007 0:35:13 GMT -5
stuckinutero said:
You cant compare replacing a vocalist with replacing a drummer. Bands lose vocalists and they're done with. Bands lose drummers, they replace and move on. I understand how good Carey is. I've never seen Tool play, but got comped for one of his Pygmy Love Circus shows (think thats the band). He is a very talented drummer, but he could be replaced very easily. Playing a live show with a scab drummer is no big deal. Writing an album with a scab drummer is not advisable.
Man... you're a great guy and I like you, but I find this wholly incorrect and, as a drummer, even a bit offensive. I am not a Tool expert, but I do believe that there are bands for whom the drummer is such a key figure that the true nature of the group could not exist without him or her. Technical precision and mastery of material is absolutely nowhere near making any two drummers interchangable. Drummers have widly varying attitudes and philosophies about drumming, they have different spirits when playing, they have different physical kits and setups, they have their favored tempos and styles and rhythms and fills, and they have their own tone and timbre. And yes, there are those who make themselves so unique as to be almost unimitable. And I would believe that Carey is of this kind. He possesses all of the above, and has also been a major force in the group by shaping their sound, their direction and, more simply, by writing and arranging many of their songs. Even if Maynard and the guys were willing to replace him, I'm sure they know they couldn't. When it comes to drummers, it's not always as easy as you think.
I'd bet that Tool will stay on the line-up with a caveat and they'll decide closer to the festival if they can play. If not, then whichever band on the tier right below the headliners that's playing on Friday will get the headliner slot.
I'm not really that excited about Tool, but I know how disappointed others would be if they don't get in. At the same time, I think a Wilco or Flaming Lips headlining set would be pretty amazing.
You cant compare replacing a vocalist with replacing a drummer. Bands lose vocalists and they're done with. Bands lose drummers, they replace and move on. I understand how good Carey is. I've never seen Tool play, but got comped for one of his Pygmy Love Circus shows (think thats the band). He is a very talented drummer, but he could be replaced very easily. Playing a live show with a scab drummer is no big deal. Writing an album with a scab drummer is not advisable.
Man... you're a great guy and I like you, but I find this wholly incorrect and, as a drummer, even a bit offensive. I am not a Tool expert, but I do believe that there are bands for whom the drummer is such a key figure that the true nature of the group could not exist without him or her. Technical precision and mastery of material is absolutely nowhere near making any two drummers interchangable. Drummers have widly varying attitudes and philosophies about drumming, they have different spirits when playing, they have different physical kits and setups, they have their favored tempos and styles and rhythms and fills, and they have their own tone and timbre. And yes, there are those who make themselves so unique as to be almost unimitable. And I would believe that Carey is of this kind. He possesses all of the above, and has also been a major force in the group by shaping their sound, their direction and, more simply, by writing and arranging many of their songs. Even if Maynard and the guys were willing to replace him, I'm sure they know they couldn't. When it comes to drummers, it's not always as easy as you think.
You and I are on the same page, my friend. He cannot/will not be replaced. His style is 100% unique, VERY complex, and Tool's songs depend so much on chemistry... especially between Danny Carey and Paul d'Amour (bassist).
I'll just put it like this in response to stuckinutero's post (a poster whom I respect)... I think Tool could much more easily replace Maynard than Carey... and that is saying something.
Something tells me that tool backing out of 'roo just isn't going to happen...
first of all i'd be cool with him just drumming with one arm a-la the drummer from def leppard, but if that's not an option then they can just bring in Josh Freese or some sort of 'special guest drummer'? I understand that some bands simply are not the same without their original drummer (Zeppelin and the horrible Phil Collins collaboration in the 80s has to be the best example), but there's only one way to find that out...
Something tells me that tool backing out of 'roo just isn't going to happen...
first of all i'd be cool with him just drumming with one arm a-la the drummer from def leppard, but if that's not an option then they can just bring in Josh Freese or some sort of 'special guest drummer'? I understand that some bands simply are not the same without their original drummer (Zeppelin and the horrible Phil Collins collaboration in the 80s has to be the best example), but there's only one way to find that out...
A. There is NO WAY he could play a single Tool song with one arm. Have you listened to his drumming? In most Tool songs, it sounds like he has 4 arms.
B. There is no way Tool would get a replacement. He is just too important and it would be a slap in the face to their most talented musician.
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
For those of you that have it in your head, allow me to respectfully defeat any notion of a replacement or fill in drummer. Tool is Maynard Adam Justin and Danny, its tough to say which of those is the most important since Tool really cannot and will not function without any of them, but if Danny cant play, Tool wont be there...
God I hope Danny can play, im already crying about the april show being re-scheduled...
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Feb 22, 2007 2:37:35 GMT -5
I agree no one could replace him at this point. Everyone i mentioned, Jon and Stuart, would need a long while just to learn their music and build chemistry. I dont think a drummer could just jump into almost any band, especially tool.
Post by excelsiorbot on Feb 22, 2007 2:52:50 GMT -5
Tool playing without Danny is out of the question.
Whatever the status, Superfly really need to make some kind of announcement prior to the onsale, because they know Tool is bringing in a huge demographic that will not be happy if the band is unable to play.
I'd love to see Tool at Bonnaroo, but if it isn't meant to be then so it goes. In any case, they need to be upfront with the Bonnaroovians about the status. I'm hesitant to buy tickets not knowing who the headliners are at least, and I'm sure a lot of other folks feel the same way.
Post by phishinhojo on Feb 22, 2007 7:49:30 GMT -5
okcomputer said:
His style is 100% unique, VERY complex, and Tool's songs depend so much on chemistry... especially between Danny Carey and Paul d'Amour (bassist).
while I agree with you guys that Carey WILL NOT be replaced, I gotta bring up Paul D'Amour is not the bassist, Justin Chancellor is. Paul left after AEnema i think.
Post by trippindaisy on Feb 22, 2007 8:20:11 GMT -5
Y'all he is going to be recovered by then. I had similar surgery in August of last year and being a single mom with a full time job managed to get enough physical therapy to be back to normal in 3 months. His only job will be to get his arm better for the next few months so I am sure he will be fully recovered sooner than we think...... Can you tell I am trying to be positive? We must have Tool!!!
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