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Post by T3ddy F1a1r on Aug 27, 2024 1:25:44 GMT -5
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Brady or Jordan only because they came out of retirement to botched comebacks idk.
Does that really matter? 6 NBA Championships for Jordan, 5x MVP, 2 Olympic Golds; 7 Super Bowl Titles for Brady, 5x MVP. Gretzky got 4 Stanley Cups and 9 Hart Memorials. Messi has 1 Olympic Gold and 3 World Cup Titles along with dozens of titles in leagues he played in. They're all good.
Brady or Jordan only because they came out of retirement to botched comebacks idk.
Does that really matter? 6 NBA Championships for Jordan, 5x MVP, 2 Olympic Golds; 7 Super Bowl Titles for Brady, 5x MVP. Gretzky got 4 Stanley Cups and 9 Hart Memorials. Messi has 1 Olympic Gold and 3 World Cup Titles along with dozens of titles in leagues he played in. They're all good.
They're all the most elite of the elite. At this point you have to split hairs, hence my 'idk' at the end. I'm voting Brady.
I care about Football more than all the other, remaining sports. I have it Football, Basketball, Soccer, Hockey. Since these 4 have been deemed the GOATS of their respective sports by our "expert voters", I'm voting for that which I care the least about. For now.
Post by Jake Jortles on Aug 27, 2024 11:39:58 GMT -5
I don't know enough about how soccer is structured as a sport, which sucks.
If it were only Brady, Jordan and Gretzky here, I think it would be fairly clear that Brady needs to go.
In somewhere between 8-10 seasons, MJ was undoubtedly the best player in the league. He stood alone, dominating an era. Never allowed a finals series to get to game 7, and averaged 33 / 6 / 6 on 48% shooting in the finals. He only won 5 MVPs, but it's basically a meme that he was deserving of 2 more, or at least that Barkley / Malone had technically better seasons, but we knew who the actual best player was.
I don't watch Hockey, but Gretzky won 9 MVPs?
Brady won 3 MVPs (esteban you said 5, but I assume you meant Super Bowl MVPs). And frankly I had to look up which 2 years he won outside of 2007. In 2007, Brady truly felt like an unstoppable force and the clear best player in the league. For those other 2 MVPs, I'm just glad that Rodgers, Manning and Mahomes had it in their hearts to let Tom eat a little bit on their watch. It's nice that he was able to find pockets where he could fit in across his 20 years of prime football. I'm messing around a bit here, but the point I'm making is that it's not clear that Brady was the best QB in the league during the vast majority of his career, including his prime. As a reminder, we are splitting hairs here. But I do prefer Jordan's style of dominating in the Finals, whereas in quite a few of Brady's super bowls the pats didn't reach 20 points. Being clutch in a high pressure dog fight is what Brady is known for. But in this level of conversation, I think there's something to not being in a dog fight at all, because you're so good. Then there are all of the classics... needing huge Vinitari FGs, being a "good" QB with an elite defense for the first 3 super bowls, needing Russ to throw an interception, etc.. Even the Falcons game... its legendary, but allowing a team to go up like that just feels less dominant than what Jordan did. He did have the best coach ever in a sport where coaching is extremely important. Probably more important by a wide margin than for any other sport.
It's insane how many rings Brady got. Don't think it will ever happen again. I just don't think he made the league his bitch like Jordan did. There were almost always extremely legit arguments that other QBs were better than him all throughout his prime.
I don't know enough about how soccer is structured as a sport, which sucks.
If it were only Brady, Jordan and Gretzky here, I think it would be fairly clear that Brady needs to go.
In somewhere between 8-10 seasons, MJ was undoubtedly the best player in the league. He stood alone, dominating an era. Never allowed a finals series to get to game 7, and averaged 33 / 6 / 6 on 48% shooting in the finals. He only won 5 MVPs, but it's basically a meme that he was deserving of 2 more, or at least that Barkley / Malone had technically better seasons, but we knew who the actual best player was.
I don't watch Hockey, but Gretzky won 9 MVPs?
Brady won 3 MVPs (esteban you said 5, but I assume you meant Super Bowl MVPs). And frankly I had to look up which 2 years he won outside of 2007. In 2007, Brady truly felt like an unstoppable force and the clear best player in the league. For those other 2 MVPs, I'm just glad that Rodgers, Manning and Mahomes had it in their hearts to let Tom eat a little bit on their watch. It's nice that he was able to find pockets where he could fit in across his 20 years of prime football. I'm messing around a bit here, but the point I'm making is that it's not clear that Brady was the best QB in the league during the vast majority of his career, including his prime. As a reminder, we are splitting hairs here. But I do prefer Jordan's style of dominating in the Finals, whereas in quite a few of Brady's super bowls the pats didn't reach 20 points. Being clutch in a high pressure dog fight is what Brady is known for. But in this level of conversation, I think there's something to not being in a dog fight at all, because you're so good. Then there are all of the classics... needing huge Vinitari FGs, being a "good" QB with an elite defense for the first 3 super bowls, needing Russ to throw an interception, etc.. Even the Falcons game... its legendary, but allowing a team to go up like that just feels less dominant than what Jordan did. He did have the best coach ever in a sport where coaching is extremely important. Probably more important by a wide margin than for any other sport.
It's insane how many rings Brady got. Don't think it will ever happen again. I just don't think he made the league his bitch like Jordan did. There were almost always extremely legit arguments that other QBs were better than him all throughout his prime.
For reference, Messi has 8 Ballon D'ors, which is basically the MVP of every soccer player in the world, not just a certain league. the next highest number is Cristiano with 5 who Messi was directly competing against for his entire career. after them no one in history has more than 3
This is a list of career achievements by Wayne Gretzky in the National Hockey League (NHL). Upon his retirement on April 18, 1999, he held or shared 61 NHL records, including 40 regular season, 15 playoff and 6 All-Star records. As of today, 24 seasons after retirement, he still holds or shares 57 NHL records
