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Jahangir Khan and Don Bradman are gonna get done dirty, but:
Khan is generally considered the best squash player every, winning 555 straight matches starting when he was 18.
Don Bradman is the greatest cricket player ever; his stats are like a baseball player hitting .392 or a NBA player scoring 43 PPG over their careers and no one has come close.
My first pick is *probably* Lewis Hamilton here, simply because Verstappen is right on his heels.
Ok, since we're having these discussions in the discord.
Not gonna act like I picked anyone outside of Bradman but these are my thoughts lol
IN DEFENSE OF/BUT WHAT ABOUT...
Tony Hawk: According to MasterClass, he is credited with creating 89 vert tricks, well beyond the famous 900. He is still the face of skateboarding at 56. Dominant, perhaps not, but so influential he deserves to be here anyway.
Secretariat: The 1973 Belmont Stakes were so singularly dominant I would argue for the horse's inclusion on that race alone.
Why not Barry Bonds?: Bonds is obviously the greatest offensive talent in living memory, even before juicing. But...Ruth stands alone in slugging, OPS, OPS+ and WAR and it's not close. Furthermore, Ruth revolutionized baseball in a way no modern player short of Shohei Ohtani could ever hope to. Home runs were anomalies before Ruth. Then he hit 714 of them.
Where's a pitcher?: Pitchers are hard to judge.
Who the hell are Jahangir Khan and Don Bradman?: Just...read up on these two, they deserve to be here for a while.
Why Federer and not Nadal/Djokovic?: Federer set a lot of records in his time, and his record on grass--a very hard surface to play on!--remains singularly impressive.
Why Tiger and not Jack Nicklaus?: Nicklaus was really particular about what events he played. Tiger has played--and won--pretty much everything.
Why Usain and not Jesse Owens and Carl Lewis?: Owens had an incredible peak but it was far too short to be here. Lewis has a much better case, but Bolt won as many golds at the World Championships as Lewis did in his entire career.
The phrasing of least impressive career vs worst athlete opens this convo up to the point that is v interesting and makes Jerry Rice the easy first selection here in a way that worst athlete would not
Is Federerer the only one here that isn't the GOAT in his own sport? Babe Ruth seems like the only other possibility but I don't know who is considered the baseball goat
Is Federerer the only one here that isn't the GOAT in his own sport? Babe Ruth seems like the only other possibility but I don't know who is considered the baseball goat
Is Federerer the only one here that isn't the GOAT in his own sport? Babe Ruth seems like the only other possibility but I don't know who is considered the baseball goat
The phrasing of least impressive career vs worst athlete opens this convo up to the point that is v interesting and makes Jerry Rice the easy first selection here in a way that worst athlete would not
I'm confused. Is it not the opposite? Jerry's career accomplishments and longevity were insane whereas I'd find him less of an athlete than Moss or Calvin. Am I reading it backwards?
The phrasing of least impressive career vs worst athlete opens this convo up to the point that is v interesting and makes Jerry Rice the easy first selection here in a way that worst athlete would not
I'm confused. Is it not the opposite? Jerry's career accomplishments and longevity were insane whereas I'd find him less of an athlete than Moss or Calvin. Am I reading it backwards?
Jerry was not the most valuable player on the majority of his teams, let alone ever winning MVP of the league, compared to if I would be to say "who is a better athlete, Jerry Rice or Jahangir Khan" which would be a very obvious answer.
The phrasing of least impressive career vs worst athlete opens this convo up to the point that is v interesting and makes Jerry Rice the easy first selection here in a way that worst athlete would not
I'm confused. Is it not the opposite? Jerry's career accomplishments and longevity were insane whereas I'd find him less of an athlete than Moss or Calvin. Am I reading it backwards?
Same. Despite the strong trend toward offense over the last couple decades, Rice still holds is #4 all-time for yards in a season (every other person in the top five is 2012 and newer), #2 all-time for touchdowns in a season, has 5,400 more career yards than anyone else, over a hundred more career receptions than anyone, has 41 more career TDs than anyone else. Those are some impressive stats.
I'm confused. Is it not the opposite? Jerry's career accomplishments and longevity were insane whereas I'd find him less of an athlete than Moss or Calvin. Am I reading it backwards?
Same. Despite the strong trend toward offense over the last couple decades, Rice still holds is #4 all-time for yards in a season (every other person in the top five is 2012 and newer), #2 all-time for touchdowns in a season, has 5,400 more career yards than anyone else, over a hundred more career receptions than anyone, has 41 more career TDs than anyone else. Those are some impressive stats.
ya these are obvi great stats and he is a top 3 to 5 all time receiver no doubt, but the rest of this list are top 3 all time in their sport with a bullet and I dont think anyone would put Jerry as a top 3 all time football player
I'm confused. Is it not the opposite? Jerry's career accomplishments and longevity were insane whereas I'd find him less of an athlete than Moss or Calvin. Am I reading it backwards?
Jerry was not the most valuable player on the majority of his teams, let alone ever winning MVP of the league, compared to if I would be to say "who is a better athlete, Jerry Rice or Jahangir Khan" which would be a very obvious answer.
eh that's sort of positional/media bias though, he helped 2 QBs be hall of famers and its impossible to really judge whether or not they'd be as good without him
Same. Despite the strong trend toward offense over the last couple decades, Rice still holds is #4 all-time for yards in a season (every other person in the top five is 2012 and newer), #2 all-time for touchdowns in a season, has 5,400 more career yards than anyone else, over a hundred more career receptions than anyone, has 41 more career TDs than anyone else. Those are some impressive stats.
ya these are obvi great stats and he is a top 3 to 5 all time receiver no doubt, but the rest of this list are top 3 all time in their sport with a bullet and I dont think anyone would put Jerry as a top 3 all time football player
ya these are obvi great stats and he is a top 3 to 5 all time receiver no doubt, but the rest of this list are top 3 all time in their sport with a bullet and I dont think anyone would put Jerry as a top 3 all time football player
this random CBS list I just found has him 2 as of this June
interesting, but I still pretty whole heartedly disagree and would fall back on the MVP arg. get what you are saying about the positional stuff, but it just do be that Quarterback is way more valuable than any other position in the league
Secretariat refused to conduct a single interview throughout his entire career. Great athlete or not, he sounds like an arrogant asshole to me.
WTF? Not only is he more athletic than anyone else on here, look at the list of derby horse descendants: Risen Star, Little Red, General Assembly, Innkeeper, Lady's Secret, Weekend Surprise, etc. What other goat has over 600 kids besides maybe Wilt Chamberlin?
Post by Jake Jortles on Aug 12, 2024 9:58:15 GMT -5
Tony Hawk probably shouldn't make it that far. The majority of skaters don't care about vert ramp skating. It's kind of a side show even though it was popular to people that don't skateboard. Admittedly, in some cases like Danny Way launching over the Great Wall of China, it encompasses some of the coolest, most visibly pleasing, feats ever done by humans. He's the most important skater of all time, most influential. Easy argument for best vert skater though its an argument of comparison to others at the time because skating has evolved.
BUT... The skating that you see in the Olympics is a better representation of what skateboarding is actually like for 95% of people doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been hundreds of thousands of people by now that are/were better than Hawk at that main kind of skateboarding. That's due to the massive progression of the sport and that he was never a great street skater even in his prime... because it wasn't his focus. I don't keep up with it anymore, so this is probably way wrong by now, but at one point it seemed like Nyjah Huston had the best claim of goat status for skateboarding.
