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Post by Silver Surfer on Aug 19, 2018 10:45:22 GMT -5
He only plays bon Iver songs for his shows, and he doesn't necessarily have a solo career. Also I don't know if he's ever even been billed as Justin Vernon and just going by setlist.fm I don't know if any of the performances would even count
Bon Iver and Big Red Machine have already been selected, by the rules (see Neil Young) I'm allowed to pick Justin Vernon solo just like Thom Yorke, Eddie Verder, Paul McCartney, Ben Gibbard and whatever front man that has already been drafted.
Vernon has played at least twice solo and has multiple solo records.
Please re edit your comment Silver Surfer, I've literally debunked every comment you made in the thread going from the amount of shows that he played. Im not going to retype all that shot again. Please come up with a decent argument that, by the rules, Justin Vernon isn't allowed and none of that "uh he plays Bon Iver songs" because that isn't a goddamn rule, Paul McCartney plays Beatles songs too.
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Bon Iver and Big Red Machine have already been selected, by the rules (see Neil Young) I'm allowed to pick Justin Vernon solo just like Thom Yorke, Eddie Verder, Paul McCartney, Ben Gibbard and whatever front man that has already been drafted.
Vernon has played at least twice solo and has multiple solo records.
Please re edit your comment Silver Surfer, I've literally debunked every comment you made in the thread going from the amount of shows that he played. Im not going to retype all that shot again. Please come up with a decent argument that, by the rules, Justin Vernon isn't allowed and none of that "uh he plays Bon Iver songs" because that isn't a goddamn rule, Paul McCartney plays Beatles songs too.
Literally all of the shows on setlist.fm are ineligible performances. Therefore he hasn't played two shows solo.
Post by Silver Surfer on Aug 19, 2018 11:03:56 GMT -5
And also all of those shows mention him as Bon Iver's Justin Vernon. It just seems like he isn't separate from bon Iver. Vernon is quite literally Bon Iver
Bon Iver IS Justin Vernon. It’s effectively his outlet for his solo music. When he collaborates on other music, he has separate bands like Big Red Machine, The Shouting Matches, Volcano Choir, Gayngs et al.
It’s like claiming Puscifer and James Maynard Keenan are different. They aren’t. They’re just monikers for the release of their solo music. JMC is a member of bands Tool and APC. He releases his solo work not under his own name but as Puscifer.
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Has also played a benefit concert for Haïti solo with a bunch of others in Johannesburg, which i'm not gonna include but whatever.
The first two aren’t solo shows. Read the websites. They are all collaborations. You don’t go to the People concerts in Germany and see a Justin Vernon solo show. You get to see Justin Vernon and the other 159 people collaborate together.
Yeah it'seems not like Thom Yorke is gonna get announced on his own either but with "known from Radiohead" added. You know that's just marketing, right?
Also the "Justin Vernon IS Bon Iver" doesn't make much sense either. That's essentially saying Bon Iver is just his backing band which isn't the case, could've named the band Justin Vernon & Bon Iver better in that case then, no?
Yeah it'seems not like Thom Yorke is gonna get announced on his own either but with "known from Radiohead" added. You know that's just marketing, right?
Also the "Justin Vernon IS Bon Iver" doesn't make much sense either. That's essentially saying Bon Iver is just his backing band which isn't the case, could've named the band Justin Vernon & Bon Iver better in that case then, no?
Justin Vernon records all the music himself and has a band on tour because he can't play every instrument at once. Bon Iver comes from the French meaning good winter, he watched a documentary and got the name from that when he had mono. During that time with mono he recorded for Emma for ever
Yeah it'seems not like Thom Yorke is gonna get announced on his own either but with "known from Radiohead" added. You know that's just marketing, right?
Also the "Justin Vernon IS Bon Iver" doesn't make much sense either. That's essentially saying Bon Iver is just his backing band which isn't the case, could've named the band Justin Vernon & Bon Iver better in that case then, no?
Thom Yorke is a pretty bad comparison to make. He's usually billed solo and often plays only his solo work. I'm not decided on Vernon yet but it's not the same.
Yeah it'seems not like Thom Yorke is gonna get announced on his own either but with "known from Radiohead" added. You know that's just marketing, right?
Also the "Justin Vernon IS Bon Iver" doesn't make much sense either. That's essentially saying Bon Iver is just his backing band which isn't the case, could've named the band Justin Vernon & Bon Iver better in that case then, no?
Thom Yorke is a pretty bad comparison to make. He's usually billed solo and often plays only his solo work. I'm not decided on Vernon yet but it's not the same.
I was just trying to say that front men often get tied with their band like that because people would probably know the band better than it's front man, no? Idk.
Justin Vernon is Bon Iver. Other examples Trent Reznor is NIN. Annie Clark is St. Vincent.
Wrong, both haven't recorded any solo material like Vernon has done. Annie Clark has done some solo shows but was always billed as St. Vincent and Trent is NIN, lol what?
The few listings for Justin Vernon on Setlists consist almost exclusively of Bon Iver songs. The others appear to be songs Bon Iver covers like the Bonnie Raitte ones.
This seems like selecting Sam Beam after Iron & Wine is gone. Those isn't like selecting Eddie Vedder or Thom Yorke.
The few listings for Justin Vernon on Setlists consist almost exclusively of Bon Iver songs. The others appear to be songs Bon Iver covers like the Bonnie Raitte ones.
This seems like selecting Sam Beam after Iron & Wine is gone. Those isn't like selecting Eddie Vedder or Thom Yorke.
I'm sorry but.. Ben Gibbard's setlists consist of 90% Death Cab / Postal Service songs aswell.
The few listings for Justin Vernon on Setlists consist almost exclusively of Bon Iver songs. The others appear to be songs Bon Iver covers like the Bonnie Raitte ones.
This seems like selecting Sam Beam after Iron & Wine is gone. Those isn't like selecting Eddie Vedder or Thom Yorke.
I'm sorry but.. Ben Gibbard's setlists consist of 90% Death Cab / Postal Service songs aswell.
The few listings for Justin Vernon on Setlists consist almost exclusively of Bon Iver songs. The others appear to be songs Bon Iver covers like the Bonnie Raitte ones.
This seems like selecting Sam Beam after Iron & Wine is gone. Those isn't like selecting Eddie Vedder or Thom Yorke.
I'm sorry but.. Ben Gibbard's setlists consist of 90% Death Cab / Postal Service songs aswell.
I voted yes, with the * that it would be pre-Bon Iver Justin Vernon.
The fact that he released solo music is irrelevant. Before even arguing if Bon Iver = Justin Vernon solo, there’s not even record of JV solo performing twice.
I voted yes, with the * that it would be pre-Bon Iver Justin Vernon.
The fact that he released solo music is irrelevant. Before even arguing if Bon Iver = Justin Vernon solo, there’s not even record of JV solo performing twice.
The fact that he released solo music is irrelevant. Before even arguing if Bon Iver = Justin Vernon solo, there’s not even record of JV solo performing twice.
He performed live before Bon Iver existed.
Show me where he has played sets solo then with music just from those albums.
I voted yes, with the * that it would be pre-Bon Iver Justin Vernon.
The fact that he released solo music is irrelevant. Before even arguing if Bon Iver = Justin Vernon solo, there’s not even record of JV solo performing twice.
The dude broke through after he got picked up by Kanye West and the release of his self titled record but he has been busy with music since he was in college. He wasn't well known before that and any recordings or proof of him playing live is hard to find because of the technology and the lack of information of that time (because everything wasn't so well catalogued like it is nowadays).
The fact that he released solo music is irrelevant. Before even arguing if Bon Iver = Justin Vernon solo, there’s not even record of JV solo performing twice.
The dude broke through after he got picked up by Kanye West and the release of his self titled record but he has been busy with music since he was in college. He wasn't well known before that and any recordings or proof of him playing live is hard to find because of the technology and the lack of information of that time (because everything wasn't so well catalogued like it is nowadays).
You clearly don’t know shit about Bon Iver then. He wasn’t discovered or “broke out” because of Kanye. It was the release of For Emma, Forever Ago in 2007, we’ll before his collaborations with Kanye.
Additionally, it’s not like the Internet wasn’t around in the early 2000s. We have record of all sorts of rare performances, interviews etc. from musicians pre-2000s. Occam’s Razor: if there’s no record, it didn’t happen.
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Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Aug 19, 2018 14:53:26 GMT -5
I think counting Justin Vernon’s pre BI shows as solo work is a stretch. Like, literally every musician probably has some “solo” shows they played when they were younger.
Also, I saw Justin Vernon solo this winter and it was billed as Bon Iver.
I think counting Justin Vernon’s pre BI shows as solo work is a stretch. Like, literally every musician probably has some “solo” shows they played when they were younger.
Also, I saw Justin Vernon solo this winter and it was billed as Bon Iver.
But Justin was an actual act that had released multiple solo albums before Bon Iver.
I think counting Justin Vernon’s pre BI shows as solo work is a stretch. Like, literally every musician probably has some “solo” shows they played when they were younger.
Also, I saw Justin Vernon solo this winter and it was billed as Bon Iver.
But Justin was an actual act that had released multiple solo albums before Bon Iver.
How were they released? On a label? I’m familiar with his pre-BI stuff, but I think you guys are getting esoteric.
Edit: also didn’t he play some of his pre-BI solo stuff on his solo Bon Iver tour this winter?
