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Well, I'm off to our local Town Hall Meeting on healthcare. Congressman Bart Gordon is holding it tonight at 7pm. Expect a "sell-out" crowd so need to be in line by 4pm. CNN is supposed to be there so maybe you'll see me on TV. (I doubt it because I won't be shouting)
I'm the opposite of moderate, immaculately polished With the spirit of a hustler and the swagger of a college kid Allergic to the counterfeit, impartial to the politics Articulate but still would grab a ni**a by the colla quick
I'm sorry to sound cynical but you can't argue with stupid and expect to win.
True.
Here's an update from our Town Hall meeting this evening.
Here are the questions asked today at my Town Hall meeting.. There were 3 lines; for pro-reform, against reform, non-health related.
There was time for 8 questions from each line (2 hours as our congressman had taken face to face meetings for 10 hours prior to this.)
Anti Reform - 6 were "why are pro-abortion" questions even though he is conservative on abortion. 2 were "the constitution does not allow this.
Neutral - 7 why are you a socialist/ why do you follow Reid & Pelosi, deficit (healthcare, PayGo, etc. asked by me)
Pro reform - 4 insurance horror stories, 1 pro/cons of HR3200, 1 small business concern/coop question, 1 rant on how much better other countries have it, 1 suggestion to study other system for what works.
Our congressman did fairly well at defending himself and standing up to straight out personal attacks (ie "We're gonna vote you out!" - "You've been saying that for 28 years and I'm still here.")
The facility held 900-1000 people. Crowd was about 40% pro - 60% against. Of course the antis were very vocal and stopped the show 8-10 times but not a bad, if fairly useless, event.
^^^ and that's what happened. And the local media fell right in line. They covered the meeting as an almost total anti-reform crowd, booing and heckling the congressman constantly. Makes a good story but not even close to the facts.
Now Gordon says he wants to slow the process down and make sure to get it right or get nothing at all. ("Nothing at all" got a huge cheer from the right.)
Published on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 by The Associated Press Young Obama Backers AWOL from Health Care Fight by Beth Fouhy NEW YORK - Add this to President Barack Obama's problems in selling his health care overhaul: A lot of the tech-savvy activists who helped put him in office are young, feeling indestructible and not all that into what they see as an old folks issue.
(Sandman) Listen young people I'm 74 And I plan to live 60 or 70 more I've been all around I've done a few things And I spent a few nights on the floor oh Did everything wrong but I never got caught So of course I would do it all over again I surprised many people who'd written me off Years ago now they're way underground Nobody asked me but here's my advice To a young man or woman who's living this life In a world gone to hell where nobody's safe Do not go quietly unto your grave (x2) Learned a few tricks and I'll learn a few more And I got enough bullets to fight a small war Nobody asked me so here's my advice To a young man or woman who's living this life In a world gone to hell where nobody's safe Do not go quietly unto your grave (x4)
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I signed up for a tea party meeting 9/12.............I think I've been clear before. People who bring guns are idiots....Just because you have one doesn't mean it should be used. My mom is a cardiac nurse/ nursing educator.....she takes care of those who need care because they walk into the ER w/ "chest pains" which means an automatic admission...she told me that there is a test to figure out whether or not you have smoked in the last six months........
I am so glad that I have my hospital nurse mom to point out all the flaws (thanks for the flaws, can paige hang with me now??) She says that shes watched everyone go through everything.......f you my little 8 yr old sister probably has better things to you!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a couple Murfreesboro natives discussing our Town Hall meeting of the other night.
I don't have sound here at work, so I can't hear what they're saying. But, really? I thought it was a joke. Just look at those guys. Am I supposed to take anything they say seriously?
*Edit* Oops, it is a joke! Sound really makes a difference. My bad.
I am so glad that I have my hospital nurse mom to point out all the flaws (thanks for the flaws, can paige hang with me now??) She says that shes watched everyone go through everything.......f you my little 8 yr old sister probably has better things to you!!!!!!!!!!!
huh?
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I don't have sound here at work, so I can't hear what they're saying. But, really? I thought it was a joke. Just look at those guys. Am I supposed to take anything they say seriously?
It was a joke. They aren't really like that but playing characters. They talk about what a good time they had yelling at people and calling Obama names while carrying their guns and stuff.....they basically are making a parody of a certain type of people that have attended some town hall meetings.
I am so glad that I have my hospital nurse mom to point out all the flaws (thanks for the flaws, can paige hang with me now??) She says that shes watched everyone go through everything.......f you my little 8 yr old sister probably has better things to you!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Fishing Maniac on Sept 2, 2009 0:45:33 GMT -5
I jumped around this thread reading as much as I could stomach and then skipping some pages. Reading. Chasing back vomit while hitting myself in the face. And moving on.
We need health care reform in this country.
Obama's plan sucks.
Obama hasn't actually read the plan he calls "his".
Obama is not actually qualified to be president.
Neither is McCain.
Or Bush.
So don't give me that dumb ass leftist comeback that "oh yeah, well, (insert some republican I don 't support in the first place) did (insert dumb ass leftist brainwashing nonsense from MSNBC)".
Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them. In fact you would be doing the whole world a favor by raising your standards far above keeping allegiance to a politician in whom you had faith in the past, and holding all politicians to the task of actually improving... well anything.
But did you actually have faith in the candidate in the past or did you just support them because that's what your pier pressure induced agenda dictated? Stop voting for people based on their opinions. Vote based on their ability to NOT F*CK UP. That basically eliminates all democrats and republicans.
Hold them all to the same scrutiny.
The overwhelming majority of people on this board (and you will all tell me I'm wrong unless you really look at yourselves) hold the members of different parties or political extremes to a different set of standards. Most of you support dems and libs to the point of blind, sheepish, sickening, self induced stupidity and scrutinize reps and cons under a microscope. Such behavior is short sited and foolish. You are part of the problem. A really really big part.
Stop being led by the nose. It makes America (that means you) weak and stupid.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Sept 2, 2009 1:26:13 GMT -5
It is awfully cynical to vote for people based on their ability not to fuck up. I'm most certainly naive, but I certainly never want to see the world in that light.
I jumped around this thread reading as much as I could stomach and then skipping some pages. Reading. Chasing back vomit while hitting myself in the face. And moving on.
We need health care reform in this country.
Obama's plan sucks.
Obama hasn't actually read the plan he calls "his".
Obama is not actually qualified to be president.
Neither is McCain.
Or Bush.
So don't give me that dumb ass leftist comeback that "oh yeah, well, (insert some republican I don 't support in the first place) did (insert dumb ass leftist brainwashing nonsense from MSNBC)".
Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them. In fact you would be doing the whole world a favor by raising your standards far above keeping allegiance to a politician in whom you had faith in the past, and holding all politicians to the task of actually improving... well anything.
But did you actually have faith in the candidate in the past or did you just support them because that's what your pier pressure induced agenda dictated? Stop voting for people based on their opinions. Vote based on their ability to NOT F*CK UP. That basically eliminates all democrats and republicans.
Hold them all to the same scrutiny.
The overwhelming majority of people on this board (and you will all tell me I'm wrong unless you really look at yourselves) hold the members of different parties or political extremes to a different set of standards. Most of you support dems and libs to the point of blind, sheepish, sickening, self induced stupidity and scrutinize reps and cons under a microscope. Such behavior is short sited and foolish. You are part of the problem. A really really big part.
Stop being led by the nose. It makes America (that means you) weak and stupid.
That is all.
Wow! Some advice, dude. Take a valium, go to church, get a dog, just do something to lower your blood pressure and get a little bit of something "good" in your life.
I jumped around this thread reading as much as I could stomach and then skipping some pages. Reading. Chasing back vomit while hitting myself in the face. And moving on.
We need health care reform in this country. (Here here)
Obama's plan sucks. (So YOU actually read the whole thing, even though he didn't?)
Obama hasn't actually read the plan he calls "his".
Obama is not actually qualified to be president. (How so? What criteria is being used to judge these people? The ability to not fuck up? Which past president has been qualified?)
Neither is McCain.
Or Bush.
So don't give me that dumb ass leftist comeback that "oh yeah, well, (insert some republican I don 't support in the first place) did (insert dumb ass leftist brainwashing nonsense from MSNBC)". (But Bush... I kid I kid.)
Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them. In fact you would be doing the whole world a favor by raising your standards far above keeping allegiance to a politician in whom you had faith in the past, and holding all politicians to the task of actually improving... well anything.
But did you actually have faith in the candidate in the past or did you just support them because that's what your pier pressure(Thinking about fishing much?) induced agenda dictated? Stop voting for people based on their opinions. (Who cares if they don't represent any of your values/beliefs?)Vote based on their ability to NOT F*CK UP. That basically eliminates all democrats and republicans. (So don't elect anybody? Don't vote? Vote Nader?)
Hold them all to the same scrutiny.
The overwhelming majority of people on this board (and you will all tell me I'm wrong unless you really look at yourselves) hold the members of different parties or political extremes to a different set of standards. Most of you support dems and libs to the point of blind, sheepish, sickening, self induced stupidity and scrutinize reps and cons under a microscope. Such behavior is short sited and foolish. You are part of the problem. A really really big part. (Agreed. Same goes for the other side of the aisle, too. )
Stop being led by the nose. It makes America (that means you) (But not you)weak and stupid.
That is all.
Thanks for pointing out that all politicians suck. For your next trick, maybe you'll tell us that lawyers are no good too. Maybe then you can lose the Holier than Thou attitude. Its one thing to tear everybody down, but unless you've got an idea of your own or some type of solution, you're not helping the situation.
Wow! Some advice, dude. Take a valium, go to church, get a dog, just do something to lower your blood pressure and get a little bit of something "good" in your life.
This in particular lacked any value other than trying to be nasty. If you are going to offer criticism try to make it constructive. All you did was pass judgment on my life, the details of which are obviously unfamiliar to you.
Thanks for pointing out that all politicians suck. For your next trick, maybe you'll tell us that lawyers are no good too. Maybe then you can lose the Holier than Thou attitude. Its one thing to tear everybody down, but unless you've got an idea of your own or some type of solution, you're not helping the situation.
Actually constructive criticism can help the situation a great deal if people take the time to examine themselves and their behavior. Notice that you questioned only my statement about Obama not being qualified to be president, but the same comment made about McCain and Bush received no response.
Obama is not actually qualified to be president. (How so? What criteria is being used to judge these people? The ability to not quack up? Which past president has been qualified?)
Neither is McCain.
Or Bush.
This response exemplifies the exact type of partisan knee jerk reaction to which I referred. You have proven my point. Why bother thinking when political PEER pressure has already dictated your allegiance and opinions for you. (BTW thanks for pointing out my typo. I'm sorry I didn't notice it at almost 2 in the morning after working for 10 hours. That was really a valuable contribution. Really.)
I'm also aware that you said "these people". Where you placed it speaks volumes.
The striking part of this is that had I posted a remark in support of Obama I would have been met with far less opposition. At the very least it would have spared me from being the victim of personal attacks which are, to put it nicely, childish. Such behavior does not reflect credibility in a discussion of governmental affairs.
It is unfortunate that my point was lost on both of you. It is fine to disagree and engage in intelligent political discourse. Sadly, neither of you have done so.
I jumped around this thread reading as much as I could stomach and then skipping some pages. Reading. Chasing back vomit while hitting myself in the face. And moving on.
We need health care reform in this country.
Obama's plan sucks.
Obama hasn't actually read the plan he calls "his".
Obama is not actually qualified to be president.
Neither is McCain.
Or Bush.
So don't give me that dumb ass leftist comeback that "oh yeah, well, (insert some republican I don 't support in the first place) did (insert dumb ass leftist brainwashing nonsense from MSNBC)".
Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them. In fact you would be doing the whole world a favor by raising your standards far above keeping allegiance to a politician in whom you had faith in the past, and holding all politicians to the task of actually improving... well anything.
But did you actually have faith in the candidate in the past or did you just support them because that's what your pier pressure induced agenda dictated? Stop voting for people based on their opinions. Vote based on their ability to NOT F*CK UP. That basically eliminates all democrats and republicans.
Hold them all to the same scrutiny.
The overwhelming majority of people on this board (and you will all tell me I'm wrong unless you really look at yourselves) hold the members of different parties or political extremes to a different set of standards. Most of you support dems and libs to the point of blind, sheepish, sickening, self induced stupidity and scrutinize reps and cons under a microscope. Such behavior is short sited and foolish. You are part of the problem. A really really big part.
Stop being led by the nose. It makes America (that means you) weak and stupid.
That is all.
I too, affiliate myself with neither party. But your canned reactionary response aimed at Bush "reactionaries" has no place in this thread. No one here has been an Obama tool. YOU have proven by YOUR lack of reading that you are an ANTI Obama TOOL. Nice way to define yourself. It puts you in the same category as those you would judge and spit bile at, while NEVER ONCE ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF HEALTHCARE.
If politics sicken you, go back to your hole. I am talking about the issue of single payer health coverage for all, as highlighted by several countries who have been able to pull it off without DEMS or Reps. What have you added to this discussion ????
It is fine to disagree and engage in intelligent political discourse. Sadly, neither of you have done so.
I can scan back and find informative links, distinguishing details of different plans, and breakdowns of questions asked at an actual Town Hall meeting by an actual attendee who CARED enough to attend, despite the obvious brainwashed gun toters who typically infest these meetings.
And then I see your anti Obama bile and attacks on members who have contributed much more than their sardonicism. Why don't you promote a plan ??? OR ARE YOU AS REACTIONARY AS YOU ARE BLAMING OTHERS FOR BEING ????
Constructive criticism? Are you calling what you said constructive criticism? There was nothing constructive about it. You criticize Troo for being nasty, then you turn around and do the same exact thing. What a huge hypocrite. It's ok for you to pass judgment on "the majority of this board" yet as soon as someone sends it back your way, you're a victim. BooHoo.
Wow! Some advice, dude. Take a valium, go to church, get a dog, just do something to lower your blood pressure and get a little bit of something "good" in your life.
This in particular lacked any value other than trying to be nasty. If you are going to offer criticism try to make it constructive. All you did was pass judgment on my life, the details of which are obviously unfamiliar to you.
Actually constructive criticism can help the situation a great deal if people take the time to examine themselves and their behavior. Notice that you questioned only my statement about Obama not being qualified to be president, but the same comment made about McCain and Bush received no response.
My response to all three (Sorry, didn't know I had to type the same thing over 3 times just so you'd get the point) has still yet to be answered. And gee, why would I respond to the Obama portion (aside from the aforementioned fact that it was first and duplicating my response 2 more times would have been superfluous)? Could it be because he is the current President? I mean c'mon, anybody who mentions Obama in a positive light is now some type of Obama goon?
This response exemplifies the exact type of partisan knee jerk reaction to which I referred. You have proven my point. Why bother thinking when political PEER pressure has already dictated your allegiance and opinions for you. (BTW thanks for pointing out my typo. I'm sorry I didn't notice it at almost 2 in the morning after working for 10 hours. That was really a valuable contribution. Really.)
"BooHoo, it was late and I worked so much I can't spell correctly." Excuses. Just let it go, I was trying to inject a little levity into the situation, but it apparently fell on deaf ears. As if any of the BS you're spouting is a valuable contribution.
I'm also aware that you said "these people". Where you placed it speaks volumes.
Yeah, it speaks volumes to the fact that I thought you were smart enough to understand that "these people" referred to all the people you were talking about. 9/10 people understood what I meant. Does that mean 9/10 are dumb Obama sheep, or you're just a pugnacious idiot starting shit?
The striking part of this is that had I posted a remark in support of Obama I would have been met with far less opposition. At the very least it would have spared me from being the victim of personal attacks which are, to put it nicely, childish. Such behavior does not reflect credibility in a discussion of governmental affairs.
It is unfortunate that my point was lost on both of you. It is fine to disagree and engage in intelligent political discourse. Sadly, neither of you have done so.
You've done such a good job engaging in intelligent political discourse as well! "All politicians suck" Wasn't that just so intelligent? The fact of the matter is, you come on here all high and mighty saying "Ugh, I have to choke back vomit just reading this stuff" then you proceed to stir up the biggest shitcloud possible by saying nothing of actual value, while attacking as many people as possible. Ultimately, whatever anyone says you will twist it around to "prove your point," so in essence there is no use even talking to you.
Its unfortunate that you would come in here and completely derail the thread so that you could dispense your brand of political thinking on the rest of us.
Its unfortunate that you would come in here and completely derail the thread so that you could dispense your brand of political thinking on the rest of us.
Agreed. Shouldn't this be in the "Issues under Obama" thread? I mean...he started off discussing the health care reform but a majority of the post was just bashing Obama and Obama followers. This thread was derailed similar to the way that town hall meetings are being derailed.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Sept 2, 2009 10:13:07 GMT -5
Red, I respect your response with the exception of the comment "go back to your hole" because it is inflammatory and of no value. Another personal attack.
I would disagree that I am an "Anti-Obama reactionary" as you stated, but will agree that I have been displeased with his performance over the past eight months. Let me reiterate: "Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them." This is exactly what you have done to me.
For the record, I did comment on Obama's health care plan.
To speak to the larger issue... (and this will be my final comment in this thread because I don't want it to get derailed by these [infantile] leftist attacks on my character or life having nothing "good" in it) Health care is a complicated issue with far reaching economic implications. To completely revamp the system when it currently employs so many must be dealt with delicately. While health care needs to be changed drastically in this country for the benefit of all, taking the wrong actions would only make things worse. I don not feel that the current health care reform being proposed is the correct direction to move. I think that addressing the cost of health care rather than offering a public option would in the long run be more effective. Drugs and treatment are effectively price gouged. If the costs came down then insurance costs would come down and more employers would be able to provide health care plans. For those smaller business that cannot afford to do so there could be a government subsidy or perhaps a state run public option. I think that the federal government is to big of a bureaucracy to deal with these smaller business and self employed peoples effectively (not that the state gov'ts are not bureaucracies).
The concerns about not being able to see the doctor you wish and to have the type of treatment you are "entitled" to are very real. These situations would not be an improvement. If there is a way to prevent such implication and provide a public options that could make a positive difference.
People often site the systems that are in place in other countries. While they have many pros they are not without flaws. I have a friend who is from England and he is in no way a fan of the NHS as just one example.
Simply put, when is the last time that the government got something exactly right? I don't want to put my health in the hands of the government. I personally think that the gov't, particularly the federal government, has control over too much of our lives as it is.
I will leave you now to call me names since that is the course of action that you have chosen.
You know you would have health coverage if you got a job you damn dirty hippies.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Sept 2, 2009 10:19:21 GMT -5
Wow you called me an idiot and criticized MY commentary.
I'm sorry that you fail to see what I was trying to point out - criticize Obama's health cae ideas and everybody jumps down your throat.
I'm also sorry for derailing the thread which I must admit that I have done. Hopefully my last post can put it back on track.
And yeah I know I said that I wouldn't post in the thread, but some valid criticism of me along with some more name calling were posted while I typed that reply.
Simply put, when is the last time that the government got something exactly right? I don't want to put my health in the hands of the government.
What is the alternative? What can we do to fix the healthcare situation as citizens? I'd like to hear your take on other possible solutions......if you decide to post in this thread again .
I will leave you now to call me names since that is the course of action that you have chosen.
Not everyone called you names. Just a few posters. And to be fair you were calling people names first
You know you would have health coverage if you got a job you damn dirty hippies.
I have a job. Full time at an internet business doing website and graphic design work. This small business offers me a way to get healthcare but I still have to pay for it out of my paycheck every 2 weeks. It's cheaper and better than if I had no job, but my point is that not everyone who has a job has the most ideal health coverage.
I'm sorry that you fail to see what I was trying to point out - criticize Obama's health cae ideas and everybody jumps down your throat.
You didn't criticize Obama's health care ideas. You don't even seem to know what Obama's health care ideas are. I've seen a lot more people in this thread advocate single payer systems than Obama's plan.
And yeah I know I said that I wouldn't post in the thread, but some valid criticism of me along with some more name calling were posted while I typed that reply.
If you seriously think that you didn't come in here and start the name calling, you need to take a deep breath and reread your original post:
The overwhelming majority of people on this board (and you will all tell me I'm wrong unless you really look at yourselves) hold the members of different parties or political extremes to a different set of standards. Most of you support dems and libs to the point of blind, sheepish, sickening, self induced stupidity and scrutinize reps and cons under a microscope. Such behavior is short sited and foolish. You are part of the problem. A really really big part.
Stop being led by the nose. It makes America (that means you) weak and stupid.
Name calling is all that is. Nothing else. If it were in any way an attempt at "constructive criticism" you wouldn't be making unsubstantiated claims about unspecific people. So stop acting like the victim here.
In regards to your concerns about health care reform (when you finally got around to them in your last post -- oops, looks like you posted after your 'last' one after all), it would be a good idea to actually read the thread. I think everything you expressed concern about has been discussed here already.
Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them.
The overwhelming majority of people on this board (and you will all tell me I'm wrong unless you really look at yourselves) hold the members of different parties or political extremes to a different set of standards. Most of you support dems and libs to the point of blind, sheepish, sickening, self induced stupidity and scrutinize reps and cons under a microscope. Such behavior is short sited and foolish. You are part of the problem. A really really big part.
Having read NONE of this thread expect this last page (mainly because of my Rethuglican status - as given to me by members here - and the fact that I like my money - I want to keep my money and not give it to people who don'e work for it and the fact that I was exposed to socialized medicine as a military dependant for the first 21 years of my life - and look at the current health care reform bill as not much better than that) I have to agree with these two comments made by Maniac.
Oh and looking back at his post - I agree with the comment also that we do need healthcare reform in this country - but I just don't think the current bill is going to fix as much as it claims and actually think it is going to cause some bigger issues down the road.
The concerns about not being able to see the doctor you wish and to have the type of treatment you are "entitled" to are very real. These situations would not be an improvement. If there is a way to prevent such implication and provide a public options that could make a positive difference.
People often site the systems that are in place in other countries. While they have many pros they are not without flaws. I have a friend who is from England and he is in no way a fan of the NHS as just one example.
^^My parents just got back from Europe - they were there for three weeks and did speak to several people and in general - the reaction they got from Europeans on what the US is doing is that we are stupid - that a NHS plan sucks and one specific lady mentioned that she had actually brought her mother to the US for a procedure that she would have had to wait for and in the process would have more than likely killed her but thanks to bringing her here and paying for it out of pocket - her mother is still alive.
Simply put, when is the last time that the government got something exactly right? I don't want to put my health in the hands of the government. I personally think that the gov't, particularly the federal government, has control over too much of our lives as it is.
I don't trust the government to run anything right and I work for the government - I know just how screwed up things are.
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Red, I respect your response with the exception of the comment "go back to your hole" because it is inflammatory and of no value. Another personal attack.
I would disagree that I am an "Anti-Obama reactionary" as you stated, but will agree that I have been displeased with his performance over the past eight months. Let me reiterate: "Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them." This is exactly what you have done to me.
For the record, I did comment on Obama's health care plan.
To speak to the larger issue... (and this will be my final comment in this thread because I don't want it to get derailed by these [infantile] leftist attacks on my character or life having nothing "good" in it) Health care is a complicated issue with far reaching economic implications. To completely revamp the system when it currently employs so many must be dealt with delicately. While health care needs to be changed drastically in this country for the benefit of all, taking the wrong actions would only make things worse. I don not feel that the current health care reform being proposed is the correct direction to move. I think that addressing the cost of health care rather than offering a public option would in the long run be more effective. NO NO WORD!!! and treatment are effectively price gouged. If the costs came down then insurance costs would come down and more employers would be able to provide health care plans. For those smaller business that cannot afford to do so there could be a government subsidy or perhaps a state run public option. I think that the federal government is to big of a bureaucracy to deal with these smaller business and self employed peoples effectively (not that the state gov'ts are not bureaucracies).
The concerns about not being able to see the doctor you wish and to have the type of treatment you are "entitled" to are very real. These situations would not be an improvement. If there is a way to prevent such implication and provide a public options that could make a positive difference.
People often site the systems that are in place in other countries. While they have many pros they are not without flaws. I have a friend who is from England and he is in no way a fan of the NHS as just one example.
Simply put, when is the last time that the government got something exactly right? I don't want to put my health in the hands of the government. I personally think that the gov't, particularly the federal government, has control over too much of our lives as it is.
I will leave you now to call me names since that is the course of action that you have chosen.
You know you would have health coverage if you got a job you damn dirty hippies.
Had this been your original post, you would have been met with far less animosity. Then we could have debated policy.
I'm glad that although us "damned hippies" may revert to childish name-calling; you are above such nonsense.
Red, I respect your response with the exception of the comment "go back to your hole" because it is inflammatory and of no value. Another personal attack.
I would disagree that I am an "Anti-Obama reactionary" as you stated, but will agree that I have been displeased with his performance over the past eight months. Let me reiterate: "Just because people have the common sense to realize Obama's limitations is not a reason to criticize them." This is exactly what you have done to me.
Just fighting fire with fire. And "go back to your hole" was an ambiguous poke at your moniker-thus, a fishing hole, citing your seeming disgust with this thread. You chose to take it in a much more derogatory sense than it was intended.
I think most here have hit the nail on the head. You chose to yell fire in a crowded theater by making your first post about leftist liberal Obama sheep blah, blah, blah, which allowed me to place you amongst those who make you wanna vomit and hit yourself in the face.
You make Joe Strummer sad with your playing into the dominant paradigm such as you have.