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It's the name of the Mexican woman in Marty Robbins's song, "El Paso." The lyrics would be PERFECT, depending on how the last episode plays out.
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Night-time would find me in Rosa's cantina; Music would play and Felina would whirl.
Blacker than night were the eyes of Felina, Wicked and evil while casting a spell. My love was deep for this Mexican maiden; I was in love but in vain, I could tell.
One night a wild young cowboy came in, Wild as the West Texas wind. Dashing and daring, A drink he was sharing With wicked Felina, The girl that I loved.
So in anger I
Challenged his right for the love of this maiden. Down went his hand for the gun that he wore. My challenge was answered in less than a heart-beat; The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor.
Just for a moment I stood there in silence, Shocked by the FOUL EVIL deed I had done. Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there; I had but one chance and that was to run.
Out through the back door of Rosa's I ran, Out where the horses were tied. I caught a good one. It looked like it could run. Up on its back And away I did ride,
Just as fast as I
Could from the West Texas town of El Paso Out to the bad-lands of New Mexico.
Back in El Paso my life would be worthless. Everything's gone in life; nothing is left. It's been so long since I've seen the young maiden My love is stronger than my fear of death.
I saddled up and away I did go, Riding alone in the dark. Maybe tomorrow A bullet may find me. Tonight nothing's worse than this Pain in my heart.
And at last here I
Am on the hill overlooking El Paso; I can see Rosa's cantina below. My love is strong and it pushes me onward. Down off the hill to Felina I go.
Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys; Off to my left ride a dozen or more. Shouting and shooting I can't let them catch me. I have to make it to Rosa's back door.
Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel A deep burning pain in my side. Though I am trying To stay in the saddle, I'm getting weary, Unable to ride.
But my love for
Felina is strong and I rise where I've fallen, Though I am weary I can't stop to rest. I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle. I feel the bullet go deep in my chest.
From out of nowhere Felina has found me, Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side. Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for, One little kiss and Felina, good-bye.
That song along with Me and My Uncle have been playing in my head this whole season.
I was talking with a co-worker about Sunday's episode today. She brought up the scene where Hank gets shot. Specifically, she was talking about how she and her husband got frustrated that Walt didn't see that Uncle Jack was going to shoot Hank regardless and told them all about his money. I reminded me of the earlier discussion about your feels on Walt shaping your perception of what happens in the episode. Was he narcissistic enough to think that he could control a situation that he had no control of or was it his naivete showing up again where he didn't realize that Jack and his people are not very nice people? Gilligan can want Walt to be perceived as one way or the other all he wants, but people are still going to morph the situation to fit their preconceived notion of what they think Walt is. Rather than a failing of the writing staff, I think it's great that the viewer isn't forced toward a specific viewpoint (so far).
It's interesting you bring this up because I was having a similar discussion with my friend right after the episode. He was infuriated at the last phone call, and at first couldn't understand why Walt had taken the tone he had. He thought it was showing just how truly "unhinged" Walt had become, and it wasn't until I pointed out that this was more likely Walt saving Skyler from any sort of legal action that my friend sat back and went, "oh...you're right." He was so blinded by his hatred for the character that he couldn't believe Walter could still act in an unselfish manner. I thought that was really interesting.
Especially with these last few episodes, it seems like Gilligan is truly allowing each viewer to bring in 5 seasons worth of judgement (for all characters, not just Walter) and letting those assumptions shape how the series ends. For some, I'm sure the series will end on a somewhat pleasant note, while others will be crushed (I would think the majority, but then again WTF do I know about this damn show). There's definitely a brilliance in the fact that will happen.
Something that I haven't seen us discuss yet, which we may have overlooked, was the fact that in one of the flash forward scenes, Walt went back to the abandoned house to grab the ricin (Spelling?). Who do you think the poison is for? If we think he's planning to go into Jack's sanctuary and shoot it out with his crew, why would he need that poison? Maybe it's for himself?
Bill Hader had a great theory about that on Talking Bad. So much fuss has been made about Lydia and tea. It might be more than her just really liking tea
Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 17, 2013 23:05:25 GMT -5
Yea, I definitely thought Lydia as a main possibility. We know it's not Hank and it seems unlikely for it to be Skyler or Marie or Jesse. Can't imagine who else it would be.
Big Gun = Nazis Ricin = Lydia
Jesse is saved by Walt inadvertently.
That's what I think could happen so I know something else will likely happen lol.
Something that I haven't seen us discuss yet, which we may have overlooked, was the fact that in one of the flash forward scenes, Walt went back to the abandoned house to grab the ricin (Spelling?). Who do you think the poison is for? If we think he's planning to go into Jack's sanctuary and shoot it out with his crew, why would he need that poison? Maybe it's for himself?
I was thinking how ironic it would be if Walt, knowing that he might be tortured by Todd's uncle's crew or for whatever other reason wanted to control his own fate, ate the ricin prior to the final shootout…and then he unexpectedly won, and saved his family/Jesse/whomever, and things turned out well for him in the end, having earned back the love of his family and his money and his freedom…but he only had two days to enjoy it all.
Think that'd be a fitting punishment for him?
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Is there any real sense that Lydia is aware of what the neo-Nazis are doing, though? I would think that Walt would only act on the ricin with that knowledge in mind. Obviously, she may have said something to the Nazis that the audience hasn't seen, but I would think that Walt would be more concerned with seeking revenge against Todd and Co., rather than Lydia. Just my thoughts. Correct me if I somehow have forgotten when Lydia gave the ok on that sort of action from the Nazi brotherhood.
She came to the car wash asking Walt to come back, or at least to tutor the people she was working for. Then Todd starts hitting him up because he wants him to cook. Then they make the deal to kill Jesse (where Walt cooks for them).
I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched for Walt to connect dots and see that Lydia is in cohoots with these guys. He may misinterpret stuff and think she's responsible for more than she's actually responsible for, but I don't think it'd be hard to bring the story to a point where Walt decides Lydia had a hand in all of this and now she must pay for it.
Exactly! Little do we know that this week's opening sequence wasn't focused on Holly at all. It was to remind us all that Bogdan existed for when Walt poisons him then shoots him with an M60 in the finale. Maybe he is the head Nazi and Uncle Jack is just his messenger. So many possibilities!
The best you can hope for is those eye brows go grey. They're the source of his unending power and giving him ricin is like shooting an aircraft carrier with a bb gun.
She came to the car wash asking Walt to come back, or at least to tutor the people she was working for. Then Todd starts hitting him up because he wants him to cook. Then they make the deal to kill Jesse (where Walt cooks for them).
I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched for Walt to connect dots and see that Lydia is in cohoots with these guys. He may misinterpret stuff and think she's responsible for more than she's actually responsible for, but I don't think it'd be hard to bring the story to a point where Walt decides Lydia had a hand in all of this and now she must pay for it.
Right, more Walt connecting the proverbial dots than anything. I also think that whatever happens, as a viewer you have to keep in mind that Walt's going to be in New Hampshire with nothing better to do than brew up vengeful ideas. There's really no telling who we wouldn't go for with that much time to sit and think.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 18, 2013 10:54:48 GMT -5
Also keep in mind.....there's still some time before the flash-forward where he gets the ricin. We could see Walt reach out to Lydia for help or to discuss something and she could cross him. Maybe act like she doesn't need him since they have the blue meth now (assuming Jesse delivers on the reason he's held captive). We could see Walt get screwed by Lydia and then have a time jump.
She came to the car wash asking Walt to come back, or at least to tutor the people she was working for. Then Todd starts hitting him up because he wants him to cook. Then they make the deal to kill Jesse (where Walt cooks for them).
I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched for Walt to connect dots and see that Lydia is in cohoots with these guys. He may misinterpret stuff and think she's responsible for more than she's actually responsible for, but I don't think it'd be hard to bring the story to a point where Walt decides Lydia had a hand in all of this and now she must pay for it.
Right, more Walt connecting the proverbial dots than anything. I also think that whatever happens, as a viewer you have to keep in mind that Walt's going to be in New Hampshire with nothing better to do than brew up vengeful ideas. There's really no telling who we wouldn't go for with that much time to sit and think.
Do we know for certain he actually goes to New Hampshire? I know he gets a new identity and identification, but couldn't he just get that stuff and never go anywhere if he finds out that the Nazi's are holding Jesse/his family is in danger/whatever else?
I didn't watch the preview from next week's episode, so if this was answered in that segment, ignore what I'm saying.
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Right, more Walt connecting the proverbial dots than anything. I also think that whatever happens, as a viewer you have to keep in mind that Walt's going to be in New Hampshire with nothing better to do than brew up vengeful ideas. There's really no telling who we wouldn't go for with that much time to sit and think.
Do we know for certain he actually goes to New Hampshire? I know he gets a new identity and identification, but couldn't he just get that stuff and never go anywhere if he finds out that the Nazi's are holding Jesse/his family is in danger/whatever else?
I didn't watch the preview from next week's episode, so if this was answered in that segment, ignore what I'm saying.
I don't think that we know 100% for sure, i.e. seeing Walt hanging out in... whatever city is in New Hampshire. I think it's a safe assumption though that he goes there for at least some period of time or, at the very least, goes far away from New Mexico.
Right, more Walt connecting the proverbial dots than anything. I also think that whatever happens, as a viewer you have to keep in mind that Walt's going to be in New Hampshire with nothing better to do than brew up vengeful ideas. There's really no telling who we wouldn't go for with that much time to sit and think.
Do we know for certain he actually goes to New Hampshire? I know he gets a new identity and identification, but couldn't he just get that stuff and never go anywhere if he finds out that the Nazi's are holding Jesse/his family is in danger/whatever else?
I didn't watch the preview from next week's episode, so if this was answered in that segment, ignore what I'm saying.
I didn't watch the preview either, so there's no real way of knowing if he will. I assume that with the way Saul has referred to his man, it's a situation where you will go somewhere new and find a new identity. Plus, the name of the next episode being Granite State makes me think New Hampshire is going to play some sort of vital role. But you're right, never assume anything with this show. Either way, I think it's safe to imply that Walt is going to be without contact with his loved ones for an extended period of time. The fact that he walked into Denny's on his 52nd birthday I think warrants that sort of assumption.
Going by this timeline (which seems to check out)...http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/1lha7j/breaking_bad_timeline/cc9hv03
There's about 6 months from Ozymandias until Walt's 52nd birthday (give or take a week or so), so yeah, he definitely has to go somewhere for a while, I would think.
Going by this timeline (which seems to check out)...http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/1lha7j/breaking_bad_timeline/cc9hv03
There's about 6 months from Ozymandias until Walt's 52nd birthday (give or take a week or so), so yeah, he definitely has to go somewhere for a while, I would think.
Right, so he's a caged convict just waiting to break out of the slammer and crack some skulls. Good part for him is that he's not legitimately in prison, cause ya know...mass amounts of prisoners can just be offed in 2 minutes in that place...
Going by this timeline (which seems to check out)...http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/1lha7j/breaking_bad_timeline/cc9hv03
There's about 6 months from Ozymandias until Walt's 52nd birthday (give or take a week or so), so yeah, he definitely has to go somewhere for a while, I would think.
And he was telling Hank he had six months to live.
Have we officially abandoned the spoilers tag at this point? If so, thank God...and Bogdan, I suppose.
I usually wait until Tuesday or Wednesday before I stop using spoiler tags for a specific episode.
OK. The use of spoiler tags seems to vary; it looks like some are using them for the entire series, while others are using them for only the most recent episode. But given where we are at this point, especially in media news, it's like either someone's aware of what's going on with the show or they have no interest whatsoever.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 18, 2013 17:26:48 GMT -5
Yea, it does vary. Just saying how I tend to use them. I personally feel that if I hadn't seen an episode yet I wouldn't use the "Recent Posts" function but I know others do so I try to do it a couple of days to give them some time.
I usually wait until Tuesday or Wednesday before I stop using spoiler tags for a specific episode.
OK. The use of spoiler tags seems to vary; it looks like some are using them for the entire series, while others are using them for only the most recent episode. But given where we are at this point, especially in media news, it's like either someone's aware of what's going on with the show or they have no interest whatsoever.
We are moving next Thursday and have decided not to hook up DirecTV when we do, so we won't be able to watch the last episode until it's up on amc.com, which seems to be done by the next day, but I'm assuming not the same day. We've already talked about that we will have to entirely avoid the Internet and any news sources until we can watch it on Monday.
OK. The use of spoiler tags seems to vary; it looks like some are using them for the entire series, while others are using them for only the most recent episode. But given where we are at this point, especially in media news, it's like either someone's aware of what's going on with the show or they have no interest whatsoever.
We are moving next Thursday and have decided not to hook up DirecTV when we do, so we won't be able to watch the last episode until it's up on amc.com, which seems to be done by the next day, but I'm assuming not the same day. We've already talked about that we will have to entirely avoid the Internet and any news sources until we can watch it on Monday.
Jeez...I wouldn't even go outside and look at the sky, at this point.
Yea, it does vary. Just saying how I tend to use them. I personally feel that if I hadn't seen an episode yet I wouldn't use the "Recent Posts" function but I know others do so I try to do it a couple of days to give them some time.
Yeah, somebody threw out the idea of 48 hours for spoiler tags which seems fair to me. I usually just go along with the crowd. If everyone uses them all the time, I do that. If not, I will stop after the 48.