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I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the cult following that show has. I watched it in its entirety and wanted to launch my TV off my apartment building roof after the series finale.
For someone like you, who is such a big fan of television shows like the Wire and BB that are so carefully crafted on such a detailed scale, I can't see how Lost can compare. The show writers can say they had a plan all along, but the plot of Lost reads like a bunch of college stoners got in a room with some kine bud and made up a story while eating cheese doodles and playing NHL '94 on SNES.
I think the finale overrides the rest of the show for a lot of people. I still like the finale no matter what anyone says to the contrary. That being said, they didn't have a plan for the entire series and nobody can tell me any different. One of the reasons season 3 sucked is for that very reason. They had an initial plan but nothing after that, and it really showed. With season 4, they had locked in an end date for the series, and you can see the narrative refocus.
To be fair, I liked the first 2 seasons, but then (like you alluded to) the third season came along and was a big steaming pile of cow dung and then after that it was just a giant "let's see how much absurd sh*t we can put into an hour-long drama series before people stop watching" contest.
I know people that like it, I get it (kinda), but even mentioning that show in the same breath as BB or The Wire? Grounds for expulsion.
I think the finale overrides the rest of the show for a lot of people. I still like the finale no matter what anyone says to the contrary. That being said, they didn't have a plan for the entire series and nobody can tell me any different. One of the reasons season 3 sucked is for that very reason. They had an initial plan but nothing after that, and it really showed. With season 4, they had locked in an end date for the series, and you can see the narrative refocus.
To be fair, I liked the first 2 seasons, but then (like you alluded to) the third season came along and was a big steaming pile of cow dung and then after that it was just a giant "let's see how much absurd sh*t we can put into an hour-long drama series before people stop watching" contest.
I know people that like it, I get it (kinda), but even mentioning that show in the same breath as BB or The Wire? Grounds for expulsion.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 16, 2013 12:49:41 GMT -5
I pretty much avoided Lost. For a while I was trying to just avoid spoilers before diving into it but then I heard so many mixed reviews and backlash on the mysteries that went nowhere that I lost a lot of interest in starting it.
I pretty much avoided Lost. For a while I was trying to just avoid spoilers before diving into it but then I heard so many mixed reviews and backlash on the mysteries that went nowhere that I lost a lot of interest in starting it.
Same. I watched maybe 2 episodes and it didn't grab me, and then hearing all the confusion/disappointment in where it wound up killed any remaining interest in watching it.
I sincerely hope you take a shot to the balls sometime in the near future.
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the cult following that show has. I watched it in its entirety and wanted to launch my TV off my apartment building roof after the series finale.
For someone like you, who is such a big fan of television shows like the Wire and BB that are so carefully crafted on such a detailed scale, I can't see how Lost can compare. The show writers can say they had a plan all along, but the plot of Lost reads like a bunch of college stoners got in a room with some kine bud and made up a story while eating cheese doodles and playing NHL '94 on SNES.
LOST is special bc it was one of the first real long term well received scifi shows that wasn't entirely set in space or containing aliens. Do you even watch any scifi Flanzo? It would make sense that you wouldn't like.
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the cult following that show has. I watched it in its entirety and wanted to launch my TV off my apartment building roof after the series finale.
For someone like you, who is such a big fan of television shows like the Wire and BB that are so carefully crafted on such a detailed scale, I can't see how Lost can compare. The show writers can say they had a plan all along, but the plot of Lost reads like a bunch of college stoners got in a room with some kine bud and made up a story while eating cheese doodles and playing NHL '94 on SNES.
LOST is special bc it was one of the first real long term well received scifi shows that wasn't entirely set in space or containing aliens. Do you even watch any scifi Flanzo? It would make sense that you wouldn't like.
I watched every episode of that magnificent trainwreck.
Yea man......same here. It got progressively worse but that first season hooked me. It had such potential and then they kept having the same kind of stuff happening again and again. Good guys are bad guys but they're really good guys but they may also be bad. Epic fights that didn't deliver (or weren't shown on screen) and not high enough stakes when it came to loss of life.
Incidentally, kudos to Flynn for manning up and jumping in between of a maniac and his mom, and then calling the cops. Great to see that kid come of age even if it was in such horrible circumstances.
Incidentally, kudos to Flynn for manning up and jumping in between of a maniac and his mom, and then calling the cops. Great to see that kid come of age even if it was in such horrible circumstances.
Yea, Walt Jr grew up in a big way in a short span of time. One second he's a happy, normal teenager who just saw his aunt go talk to his mom and the next he's finding out that his dad is a major drug dealer and may have killed people. Also that his mom was in on it and lying to him for a while. Also that his uncle is dead. Also that his dad and mom are brawling with a sharp knife in their house.
Dude went through a lot right there but I loved it when he pulled Walt off and protected Skyler. Felt right.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 16, 2013 14:01:30 GMT -5
A big "get" for Conan:
Circle Monday, September 23 in your calendars, everybody. That’s the day that the entire main cast of Breaking Bad — Bryan Cranston, Aaron Paul, Anna Gunn, Dean Norris, Betsy Brandt, R.J. Mitte, and Bob Odenkirk, as well as showrunner Vince Gilligan — will appear on Conan together. It’s also the day after the Primetime Emmy Awards, so maybe expect to see Cranston walk out rolling a barrel that’s filled to the brim with the hardware the show and its cast rightfully collected the night before.
The exciting part about this — besides the fact that it’s the cast’s first group appearance on a late-night show — is that, despite the dark as hell subject matter (NOTE: I may never recover from last night’s episode), the cast is made up of incredibly fun, funny people. Cranston is a fake-penis-loving goof, Odenkirk is a sketch comedy legend, Aaron Paul enjoys life more than anyone else in the world, Betsy Brandt is always a great talk show guest, and Vince Gilligan, somehow, is a perfectly nice, well-adjusted Southern gentleman. Getting them all together on a set with Conan is a recipe for good times.
It's the name of the Mexican woman in Marty Robbins's song, "El Paso." The lyrics would be PERFECT, depending on how the last episode plays out.
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Night-time would find me in Rosa's cantina; Music would play and Felina would whirl.
Blacker than night were the eyes of Felina, Wicked and evil while casting a spell. My love was deep for this Mexican maiden; I was in love but in vain, I could tell.
One night a wild young cowboy came in, Wild as the West Texas wind. Dashing and daring, A drink he was sharing With wicked Felina, The girl that I loved.
So in anger I
Challenged his right for the love of this maiden. Down went his hand for the gun that he wore. My challenge was answered in less than a heart-beat; The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor.
Just for a moment I stood there in silence, Shocked by the FOUL EVIL deed I had done. Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there; I had but one chance and that was to run.
Out through the back door of Rosa's I ran, Out where the horses were tied. I caught a good one. It looked like it could run. Up on its back And away I did ride,
Just as fast as I
Could from the West Texas town of El Paso Out to the bad-lands of New Mexico.
Back in El Paso my life would be worthless. Everything's gone in life; nothing is left. It's been so long since I've seen the young maiden My love is stronger than my fear of death.
I saddled up and away I did go, Riding alone in the dark. Maybe tomorrow A bullet may find me. Tonight nothing's worse than this Pain in my heart.
And at last here I
Am on the hill overlooking El Paso; I can see Rosa's cantina below. My love is strong and it pushes me onward. Down off the hill to Felina I go.
Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys; Off to my left ride a dozen or more. Shouting and shooting I can't let them catch me. I have to make it to Rosa's back door.
Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel A deep burning pain in my side. Though I am trying To stay in the saddle, I'm getting weary, Unable to ride.
But my love for
Felina is strong and I rise where I've fallen, Though I am weary I can't stop to rest. I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle. I feel the bullet go deep in my chest.
From out of nowhere Felina has found me, Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side. Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for, One little kiss and Felina, good-bye.
It's the name of the Mexican woman in Marty Robbins's song, "El Paso." The lyrics would be PERFECT, depending on how the last episode plays out.
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Night-time would find me in Rosa's cantina; Music would play and Felina would whirl.
Blacker than night were the eyes of Felina, Wicked and evil while casting a spell. My love was deep for this Mexican maiden; I was in love but in vain, I could tell.
One night a wild young cowboy came in, Wild as the West Texas wind. Dashing and daring, A drink he was sharing With wicked Felina, The girl that I loved.
So in anger I
Challenged his right for the love of this maiden. Down went his hand for the gun that he wore. My challenge was answered in less than a heart-beat; The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor.
Just for a moment I stood there in silence, Shocked by the FOUL EVIL deed I had done. Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there; I had but one chance and that was to run.
Out through the back door of Rosa's I ran, Out where the horses were tied. I caught a good one. It looked like it could run. Up on its back And away I did ride,
Just as fast as I
Could from the West Texas town of El Paso Out to the bad-lands of New Mexico.
Back in El Paso my life would be worthless. Everything's gone in life; nothing is left. It's been so long since I've seen the young maiden My love is stronger than my fear of death.
I saddled up and away I did go, Riding alone in the dark. Maybe tomorrow A bullet may find me. Tonight nothing's worse than this Pain in my heart.
And at last here I
Am on the hill overlooking El Paso; I can see Rosa's cantina below. My love is strong and it pushes me onward. Down off the hill to Felina I go.
Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys; Off to my left ride a dozen or more. Shouting and shooting I can't let them catch me. I have to make it to Rosa's back door.
Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel A deep burning pain in my side. Though I am trying To stay in the saddle, I'm getting weary, Unable to ride.
But my love for
Felina is strong and I rise where I've fallen, Though I am weary I can't stop to rest. I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle. I feel the bullet go deep in my chest.
From out of nowhere Felina has found me, Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side. Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for, One little kiss and Felina, good-bye.
That has to be it, came to my mind right away when I saw the name.
If the show ends with a big gunfight that is completely silent except for El Paso playing and then fades to black at the end of the episode with Walt dying in the arms of Skylar, that would seal it as the greatest TV show of all time.
If the show ends with a big gunfight that is completely silent except for El Paso playing and then fades to black at the end of the episode with Walt dying in the arms of Skylar, that would seal it as the greatest TV show of all time.
Maybe too obvious though
Well...the Book of Pinkman sez: "Whatever you think is supposed to happen, the exact reverse opposite of that is gonna happen."
If the show ends with a big gunfight that is completely silent except for El Paso playing and then fades to black at the end of the episode with Walt dying in the arms of Skylar, that would seal it as the greatest TV show of all time.
Maybe too obvious though
Well...the Book of Pinkman sez: "Whatever you think is supposed to happen, the exact reverse opposite of that is gonna happen."
Ya absolutely. Vince and a ton of the actors have all talked about the shoot-out, the flash-forwards of Walt buying the gun, now Felina. It all seems far too obvious. What if it turns out to be something completely different?
Exactly. I wouldn't expect the plot of the last episode to match the plot of the song either. To my way of thinking the song's simply the western version of an archetype for dramatic and tragic and possibly noble denouements -- pretty much what we expect from the last episode.
The author, whose series was adapted for television by HBO and is known by viewers asGame of Thrones, wasn’t afraid to talk about his appreciation for the AMC meth drama.“Amazing series. Amazing episode last night. Talk about a gut punch,” he said.Breaking Bad appears to have inspired him to create a character as evil as Walt. “Walter White is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros. (I need to do something about that),” he wrote.
I was talking with a co-worker about Sunday's episode today. She brought up the scene where Hank gets shot. Specifically, she was talking about how she and her husband got frustrated that Walt didn't see that Uncle Jack was going to shoot Hank regardless and told them all about his money. I reminded me of the earlier discussion about your feels on Walt shaping your perception of what happens in the episode. Was he narcissistic enough to think that he could control a situation that he had no control of or was it his naivete showing up again where he didn't realize that Jack and his people are not very nice people? Gilligan can want Walt to be perceived as one way or the other all he wants, but people are still going to morph the situation to fit their preconceived notion of what they think Walt is. Rather than a failing of the writing staff, I think it's great that the viewer isn't forced toward a specific viewpoint (so far).
I was talking with a co-worker about Sunday's episode today. She brought up the scene where Hank gets shot. Specifically, she was talking about how she and her husband got frustrated that Walt didn't see that Uncle Jack was going to shoot Hank regardless and told them all about his money. I reminded me of the earlier discussion about your feels on Walt shaping your perception of what happens in the episode. Was he narcissistic enough to think that he could control a situation that he had no control of or was it his naivete showing up again where he didn't realize that Jack and his people are not very nice people? Gilligan can want Walt to be perceived as one way or the other all he wants, but people are still going to morph the situation to fit their preconceived notion of what they think Walt is. Rather than a failing of the writing staff, I think it's great that the viewer isn't forced toward a specific viewpoint (so far).
I was talking with a co-worker about Sunday's episode today. She brought up the scene where Hank gets shot. Specifically, she was talking about how she and her husband got frustrated that Walt didn't see that Uncle Jack was going to shoot Hank regardless and told them all about his money. I reminded me of the earlier discussion about your feels on Walt shaping your perception of what happens in the episode. Was he narcissistic enough to think that he could control a situation that he had no control of or was it his naivete showing up again where he didn't realize that Jack and his people are not very nice people? Gilligan can want Walt to be perceived as one way or the other all he wants, but people are still going to morph the situation to fit their preconceived notion of what they think Walt is. Rather than a failing of the writing staff, I think it's great that the viewer isn't forced toward a specific viewpoint (so far).