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Post by BonnarooDetective on Jan 18, 2009 14:21:30 GMT -5
I cannot believe people are still buying into the Snoop angle.
I am going to repost my logic on PB + J:
This clue is written in a simple rhyme, unlike many of the clues we encountered in our previous experiences. Line a is clearly one half and line b is clearly a second half. The two must be treated separately and then put together. I believe the method of solving each half should be the same (for example, Part A wouldn't be an associative riddle with part B being a lyrical reference.)
A: "Peter Pan had a good roast before he was beat to a pulp"
Obviously a reference to peanut butter, no need to analyze it further.
B: "and the ocean spray from a westward bay invites you to take a big gulp"
We have been scrutinizing the westward bay part for awhile now. I think it is irrelevant. As I mentioned before, "ocean spray from a westward bay" is a contradiction in terms. DjjD just threw in "from a westward bay" to fill-in the rest of the line - He is a musician, and wrote this clue exactly like he would write a lyric. Not to mention the fact that is would help to confuse us.
Forget bands from westward bays and all that stuff. Remember "Memphis Isn't Albany"? We were all looking for bands from Memphis and guys who were born in Albany and s.hit. In the end what we really got was an acronym. He uses specific geographic references to confuse us, not to point us towards an artists hometown (exception: Gogol clue from last year, which I think is an entirely different case, but I digress . . .)
As I said, parts A and B should be treated the same. Part A was easy, so part B is easy too. As we've said a hundred times, it is a blatant reference to ocean spray juice. Not necessarily cranberry juice, but just juice in general.
So, we have Peanut Butter and Juice.
We know Mr. DJ has an affinity for using acronyms, and here we have another. Peter, Bjorn, and John.
ratm was the first to suggest Peter Bjorn and John, and it happened really quickly. I think we just over thought things. We got all worked up and thought, "Oh, the clues are going to be way harder this year."
My guess is that we will be getting one clue a day (with some assistance from farmhound along the way). Each clue will be for one band, with some herrings in the mix, but we will never be told if we are wrong or right. As long as we don't get confirmation they know we will all just sit around and bicker about it 'til the line-up is released. He wouldn't have said, "Oh shucks guys, you got it, here's another clue:" They only had one clue recorded, and he is probably only allowed to let one go every-so-often . . . he couldn't burst our bubble that early. Had he told us we were right, we would have no entertainment over the weekend.
Peter, Bjorn and John's current tour schedule:
Peter Bjorn And John
return to top 04.21.2009 - Minneapolis, MN - FINE LINE MUSIC CAFE 04.22.2009 - Milwaukee, WI - Pabst Theatre 04.23.2009 - Chicago, IL - METRO 04.24.2009 - Newport, KY - SOUTHGATE HOUSE 04.25.2009 - Toronto, - Phoenix Theatre 04.26.2009 - Ottawa, - Capital Music Hall 04.27.2009 - Montreal, - LE NATIONAL 04.28.2009 - Boston, MA - THE PARADISE 04.29.2009 - New York, NY - WEBSTER HALL 04.30.2009 - Williamsburg, NY - MUSIC HALL OF WILLIAMSBURG 05.01.2009 - Philadelphia, PA - World Cafe 05.02.2009 - Washington, DC - 9:30 Club 05.03.2009 - Asheville, NC - THE ORANGE PEEL 05.04.2009 - Atlanta, GA - VARIETY PLAYHOUSE 05.23.2009 - Vancouver, - Commodore Ballroom 05.24.2009 - George, WA - Sasquatch Festival 05.25.2009 - E. Portland, OR - HAWTHORNE THEATER 05.26.2009 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall 05.27.2009 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall 05.28.2009 - Los Angeles, CA - HENRY FONDA THEATRE 05.29.2009 - Pomona, CA - THE GLASS HOUSE 05.30.2009 - Solana Bch, CA - BELLY UP TAVERN 05.31.2009 - Tempe, AZ - THE CLUBHOUSE 06.02.2009 - DALLAS, TX - HOUSE OF BLUES - DALLAS 06.03.2009 - Austin, TX - ANTONES
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Hmmm . . . first week in June and they are down South, and they are already booked for one festival.
If those tour dates don't seal the deal, I'm not sure what else would convince people. I've already outlined the reasons it isn't Snoop. Using the clues to draw a picture/make loose connections to an artist is not how the 'roo clues work.
In response to Pepper:
Ocean Spray is juice just like Peter Pan is peanut butter. Ocean Spray does not have to refer to the juice company, just like Peter Pan doesn't have to refer to the peanut butter company. It seems pretty explicit to me. Peter Pan makes peanut butter (but could also be the fictional character). Ocean Spray makes juice (but could also refer to the actual "spray" coming off the ocean).
If someone wanted to argue that it is a different "PB + J," I might entertain the argument. But to me, especially with those tour dates, Peter Bjorn and John are our best PB + J connection.
Also, I noticed someone mention that Peter, Bjorn, and John don't seem like a 'roo act - I disagree. These days, there are very little acts that do not fit at 'roo. The diversity of music is really really broad. Besides, PB + J are already signed on for Sasquatch, a 'roo-like festival.
I say we all take the next 24 hours to relax, watch some football, and get ready for the next clue.
I cannot believe people are still buying into the Snoop angle.
I am going to repost my logic on PB + J:
This clue is written in a simple rhyme, unlike many of the clues we encountered in our previous experiences. Line a is clearly one half and line b is clearly a second half. The two must be treated separately and then put together. I believe the method of solving each half should be the same (for example, Part A wouldn't be an associative riddle with part B being a lyrical reference.)
A: "Peter Pan had a good roast before he was beat to a pulp"
Obviously a reference to peanut butter, no need to analyze it further.
B: "and the ocean spray from a westward bay invites you to take a big gulp"
We have been scrutinizing the westward bay part for awhile now. I think it is irrelevant. As I mentioned before, "ocean spray from a westward bay" is a contradiction in terms. DjjD just threw in "from a westward bay" to fill-in the rest of the line - He is a musician, and wrote this clue exactly like he would write a lyric. Not to mention the fact that is would help to confuse us.
Forget bands from westward bays and all that stuff. Remember "Memphis Isn't Albany"? We were all looking for bands from Memphis and guys who were born in Albany and s.hit. In the end what we really got was an acronym. He uses specific geographic references to confuse us, not to point us towards an artists hometown (exception: Gogol clue from last year, which I think is an entirely different case, but I digress . . .)
As I said, parts A and B should be treated the same. Part A was easy, so part B is easy too. As we've said a hundred times, it is a blatant reference to ocean spray juice. Not necessarily cranberry juice, but just juice in general.
So, we have Peanut Butter and Juice.
We know Mr. DJ has an affinity for using acronyms, and here we have another. Peter, Bjorn, and John.
ratm was the first to suggest Peter Bjorn and John, and it happened really quickly. I think we just over thought things. We got all worked up and thought, "Oh, the clues are going to be way harder this year."
My guess is that we will be getting one clue a day (with some assistance from farmhound along the way). Each clue will be for one band, with some herrings in the mix, but we will never be told if we are wrong or right. As long as we don't get confirmation they know we will all just sit around and bicker about it 'til the line-up is released. He wouldn't have said, "Oh shucks guys, you got it, here's another clue:" They only had one clue recorded, and he is probably only allowed to let one go every-so-often . . . he couldn't burst our bubble that early. Had he told us we were right, we would have no entertainment over the weekend.
Peter, Bjorn and John's current tour schedule:
Peter Bjorn And John
return to top 04.21.2009 - Minneapolis, MN - FINE LINE MUSIC CAFE 04.22.2009 - Milwaukee, WI - Pabst Theatre 04.23.2009 - Chicago, IL - METRO 04.24.2009 - Newport, KY - SOUTHGATE HOUSE 04.25.2009 - Toronto, - Phoenix Theatre 04.26.2009 - Ottawa, - Capital Music Hall 04.27.2009 - Montreal, - LE NATIONAL 04.28.2009 - Boston, MA - THE PARADISE 04.29.2009 - New York, NY - WEBSTER HALL 04.30.2009 - Williamsburg, NY - MUSIC HALL OF WILLIAMSBURG 05.01.2009 - Philadelphia, PA - World Cafe 05.02.2009 - Washington, DC - 9:30 Club 05.03.2009 - Asheville, NC - THE ORANGE PEEL 05.04.2009 - Atlanta, GA - VARIETY PLAYHOUSE 05.23.2009 - Vancouver, - Commodore Ballroom 05.24.2009 - George, WA - Sasquatch Festival 05.25.2009 - E. Portland, OR - HAWTHORNE THEATER 05.26.2009 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall 05.27.2009 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall 05.28.2009 - Los Angeles, CA - HENRY FONDA THEATRE 05.29.2009 - Pomona, CA - THE GLASS HOUSE 05.30.2009 - Solana Bch, CA - BELLY UP TAVERN 05.31.2009 - Tempe, AZ - THE CLUBHOUSE 06.02.2009 - DALLAS, TX - HOUSE OF BLUES - DALLAS 06.03.2009 - Austin, TX - ANTONES
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Hmmm . . . first week in June and they are down South, and they are already booked for one festival.
If those tour dates don't seal the deal, I'm not sure what else would convince people. I've already outlined the reasons it isn't Snoop. Using the clues to draw a picture/make loose connections to an artist is not how the 'roo clues work.
In response to Pepper:
Ocean Spray is juice just like Peter Pan is peanut butter. Ocean Spray does not have to refer to the juice company, just like Peter Pan doesn't have to refer to the peanut butter company. It seems pretty explicit to me. Peter Pan makes peanut butter (but could also be the fictional character). Ocean Spray makes juice (but could also refer to the actual "spray" coming off the ocean).
If someone wanted to argue that it is a different "PB + J," I might entertain the argument. But to me, especially with those tour dates, Peter Bjorn and John are our best PB + J connection.
Also, I noticed someone mention that Peter, Bjorn, and John don't seem like a 'roo act - I disagree. These days, there are very little acts that do not fit at 'roo. The diversity of music is really really broad. Besides, PB + J are already signed on for Sasquatch, a 'roo-like festival.
I say we all take the next 24 hours to relax, watch some football, and get ready for the next clue.
Agree to disagree. Except on the football. I can agree to that.
Ahhh... but can we all agree that Willis McGahee is a tool and does not deserve to play in the Superbowl, therefore we should all root against the Ravens? ;D
Post by steveternal on Jan 18, 2009 14:45:05 GMT -5
I'd like to suggest that when new clues are started, they are each given a separate thread. If we can fill 44 pages and counting (and three days and counting) on just one clue, it would help to have an individual thread for each clue. Clearly we won't be solving each one before the next one comes, and it'll help to keep discussions about them separate.
Perhaps a mod could create a sub-board for all the clue threads, like we have for the artist polls?
Post by captaintrips on Jan 18, 2009 14:45:39 GMT -5
i still just think it would be rediculous for someone who spends alot of time devising clues to put part of the answer as the first word in the clue.... i just dont think someone who is clearly paying alot of attention to detail would do that
Post by JustSoYouKnow on Jan 18, 2009 15:28:42 GMT -5
I think his personality is splitting again. Split personality doesnt mean only two personalities, so far we havd DJ JD and farmhound. Let me try to explain the pattern I see in his clues today.
AC CLUE from earlier is now officially explained. Just a mega byte or so will tell you
AC/DC CLUE THAT IS!
I think this first twitter today pointing out "AC is now solved." is deliberatly leaving off the DC part and then futher articulation from him by including the last part -"AC/DC that is" when he could have said that to begin with is a clue. I believe he's splitting up again. He solved AC/DC for us-"AC/DC=personality crisis" in meg's blog.....
Meg's blog has this comment from DJ farmhound "AC/DC= personality crisis and not=new york dolls" He wants us to follow him like we would a hound (as well as further explaining the first twitter of today). Meg's blog with DJ farmhound's comment-www.humzoo.com/justmeg/blog/83/#comment_72404
then this twitter after meg's blog
farmhound has itchy paws- will be planting help seeds in new and unexpected places for the next two weeks
and some expected places
he is giving us info on himself - it seems to me this clue means splitting again.
So, i'm tieing all the clues given today. the fact that "AC/DC= personality crisis" but he only says "AC is now solved" so half is now solved. STILL MUST SOLVE FOR DC.we must look for his other split personalityacross the internet to follow him like we would a hound.
Post by monkeymonkeyjoyjoy on Jan 18, 2009 15:31:26 GMT -5
Did anyone ever get to the bottom of why the man was saying that he was "wolfing" down lunch before the first clue? I still think that is going along with the Peanut Butter Wolf thing....plus to gulp is to "wolf" something down? I think that this makes the most sense, but yeah - maybe too easy? I wouldn't rule out a lot of suggestions though, we'll never know till we know anyway. Did anyone ever make a list of the suggestions thus far? - I know that someone suggested they'd maybe do that? At least this is FUN!!!
i still just think it would be rediculous for someone who spends alot of time devising clues to put part of the answer as the first word in the clue.... i just dont think someone who is clearly paying alot of attention to detail would do that
Or perhaps he was paying so much attention to detail that he thought of the fact that a minor detail like that might be enough to create naysayers such as yourself, thereby making the clue more difficult to solve than it actually was.
Is it really that ridiculous for the word "Peter" to be in both the clue and the answer? I don't think so. It was a coincidence. The fact that Peter is in the clue does not directly lead to anyone realizing that Peter is in the answer.
Post by bgnewcastle on Jan 18, 2009 15:41:26 GMT -5
After reading bonnaroodetective's post, I think the PB&J thing makes a lot of sense. The tour dates are also a nice help enforcing the clue answer. As I'm writing this, it is about 3:30pm eastern time on Jan. 18... My mind is a little hazy from last year clues but I'm wondering if anyone knows or has a guess how many clues we're likely to get and how often they will be coming? There were roughly 15 clues last year (someone might want to correct me on this) and I'm wondering how many days before the lineup came out before they started? We've got about two weeks before the lineup comes out so does that mean we are going to get a clue everyday mon-fri or a couple a day or is it all random? Thanks to anyone who can help. I'm not on roo radio 24/7 so any indication toward clue times and days would be much appreciated.
Post by belltwala1 on Jan 18, 2009 15:41:39 GMT -5
i would like to see a different thread for each clue. does anyone know how to do this? once we get many clues this will get so confusing. it could be a temporary segment to be consolidated later after the lineup is announced?
i still just think it would be rediculous for someone who spends alot of time devising clues to put part of the answer as the first word in the clue.... i just dont think someone who is clearly paying alot of attention to detail would do that
Or perhaps he was paying so much attention to detail that he thought of the fact that a minor detail like that might be enough to create naysayers such as yourself, thereby making the clue more difficult to solve than it actually was.
Is it really that ridiculous for the word "Peter" to be in both the clue and the answer? I don't think so. It was a coincidence. The fact that Peter is in the clue does not directly lead to anyone realizing that Peter is in the answer.
I agree with detective. The peter very well could seem so easy that people ignore it-and that's djjd's intention- to mislead. You may not agree with it, but to say it's ridiculous or impossible, would just be wrong.
Post by BonnarooDetective on Jan 18, 2009 15:46:09 GMT -5
Last year the clues came just a couple before the line-up came out. It all happened rather quickly, I believe all the initial clues came in a two day period. This year is obviously going to be much different, since we started getting clues much earlier.
I actually think we should start some kind of sub-board dedicated specifically to 'roo clues, but that would require the intervention of an Administrator.
AC CLUE from earlier is now officially explained. Just a mega byte or so will tell you
and his post on my blog said
AC/DC = personality crisis and not = new york dolls
I think that clearly states that the AC/DC was a reference to split personality which in this case means his alter ego djjd farmhound on twitter - last year he did not help us through twitter
then further tweets today indicated that more help would com in unexpected places - I think we can safely say - the AC/DC clues were leading us to twitter - they have nothing to do with a clue for a band
But...He says AC clue is NOW solved. Which I think means that part of the clue has just been solved. You could interpret that to mean "Artist Clue now solved.....Atist Clue/DJ clue I mean" because it anwered the AC part and completed the AC/DC spot. I don't think its an accident he used only the AC in the first sentence.
Split personality not New York dolls means the Bowie bi angle is wrong (he mentions an artist, hinting we should be looking for an artist).....The split personality thing could mena we're looking for someone else with a split personality (snoop dogg/calvin brodus fits)....
I just don't see why he would bring that stuff up again if it wasn't relevant.
I don't think snoop/calvin broadus is a proper example of a split personality. It's not something that he plays up in his music, and the differences between him and his performance persona are not something that's usually fixated on. I think thats a reach. And the split personality stuff is officially put to rest, I don't think he can possibly say it any clearer.
Reason: Peanuts are harvested and taken to a peanut gin. Edwin Scott in 1872 got the first patent granted for a peanut gin. These gins are all over the south, especially Georgia. Many Farmers Gin and Peanut companies dot the landscape. I lived next to the Ocilla Peanut Gin for a while.
Secondarily Snoopy's connection to Charlie Brown and the whole Peanuts thing. Wikipedia has Snoop's mother naming him Snoop because of his love of Peanuts.
Secondary part is obviously Juice. Plus he is from the West Coast.
Gin and Juice + Peanuts = Snoop
Mad props to BonnarooDetective for an excellent & well thought out defense of the proposed answer of Peter Bjorn & John (it put me back on the fence). I also wanted to repost MagaritaCentral's post because aside from Rooconteur no one else (ie. vets) even addressed Ken's equally excellent & well thought out defense of his proposed answer of Snoop Dog. Especially interesting is the additional information about the peanut gin, that little tidbit of info in my opinion was worth some serious karma!
Something else to consider is that although it is important to consider the patterns established by last year's clues (when solving this year's clues) it would be foolish to believe that this years clues will not result in new and more complex patterns.
Lastly, if you're lurking DjjD I hope you'll consider blogging about your take on all of this clue solving once the lineup is out. I'm sure that some of the logic presented on this board is making you smile & wouldn't we all love to see the correct answers to the clues posted once this over??
I don't think snoop/calvin broadus is a proper example of a split personality. It's not something that he plays up in his music, and the differences between him and his performance persona are not something that's usually fixated on. I think thats a reach. And the split personality stuff is officially put to rest, I don't think he can possibly say it any clearer.
^ I concur. Snoop Dogg is an alias, a pen name, a stage-name . . . but it is not an alternate personality.
I think thats a reach. And the split personality stuff is officially put to rest, I don't think he can possibly say it any clearer.
^ I concur. Snoop Dogg is an alias, a pen name, a stage-name . . . but it is not an alternate personality.
I agree that aspect of the argument was a stretch and almost left it out...Nothing is officially put to rest until the line-up is released. and to say he can't possibly say it any clearer, is a little ridiculous... He said it in riddle form, whose meaning is open to interpretation.
Last year the clues came just a couple before the line-up came out. It all happened rather quickly, I believe all the initial clues came in a two day period. This year is obviously going to be much different, since we started getting clues much earlier.
I actually think we should start some kind of sub-board dedicated specifically to 'roo clues, but that would require the intervention of an Administrator.
Well, I guess great minds think alike. Actually, I PMed Jay about that, and he's gonna mull it over.
I cannot believe people are still buying into the Snoop angle.
I am going to repost my logic on PB + J:
This clue is written in a simple rhyme, unlike many of the clues we encountered in our previous experiences. Line a is clearly one half and line b is clearly a second half. The two must be treated separately and then put together. I believe the method of solving each half should be the same (for example, Part A wouldn't be an associative riddle with part B being a lyrical reference.)
A: "Peter Pan had a good roast before he was beat to a pulp"
Obviously a reference to peanut butter, no need to analyze it further.
B: "and the ocean spray from a westward bay invites you to take a big gulp"
We have been scrutinizing the westward bay part for awhile now. I think it is irrelevant. As I mentioned before, "ocean spray from a westward bay" is a contradiction in terms. DjjD just threw in "from a westward bay" to fill-in the rest of the line - He is a musician, and wrote this clue exactly like he would write a lyric. Not to mention the fact that is would help to confuse us.
Forget bands from westward bays and all that stuff. Remember "Memphis Isn't Albany"? We were all looking for bands from Memphis and guys who were born in Albany and s.hit. In the end what we really got was an acronym. He uses specific geographic references to confuse us, not to point us towards an artists hometown (exception: Gogol clue from last year, which I think is an entirely different case, but I digress . . .)
As I said, parts A and B should be treated the same. Part A was easy, so part B is easy too. As we've said a hundred times, it is a blatant reference to ocean spray juice. Not necessarily cranberry juice, but just juice in general.
So, we have Peanut Butter and Juice.
We know Mr. DJ has an affinity for using acronyms, and here we have another. Peter, Bjorn, and John.
ratm was the first to suggest Peter Bjorn and John, and it happened really quickly. I think we just over thought things. We got all worked up and thought, "Oh, the clues are going to be way harder this year."
My guess is that we will be getting one clue a day (with some assistance from farmhound along the way). Each clue will be for one band, with some herrings in the mix, but we will never be told if we are wrong or right. As long as we don't get confirmation they know we will all just sit around and bicker about it 'til the line-up is released. He wouldn't have said, "Oh shucks guys, you got it, here's another clue:" They only had one clue recorded, and he is probably only allowed to let one go every-so-often . . . he couldn't burst our bubble that early. Had he told us we were right, we would have no entertainment over the weekend.
Well your logic is very good, if you take Margarita Central's gin angle, a gin being where peanuts get processed (roasted and beaten to a pulp) you would have gin & Juice. This would make a part a and a part b just the same. The westward bay would refer to the howl of a dog, and the rest of the argument laid out earlier...
Post by BonnarooDetective on Jan 18, 2009 17:12:18 GMT -5
The Snoop argument keeps getting reformulated to fit whatever qualifications need be met. I mean, which one is it? Does peanut butter lead to Peanuts, which leads to Snoopy which = Snoop? Or does peanut butter lead to peanuts, which leads to gin? To me, all of the links are a stretch.
I'm not even buying the link to peanuts. Had djjd wanted us to settle on peanuts, the clue would have read, "Peter Pan BEFORE he had a good roast and was beat to a pulp" rather than what it actually reads, "Peter Pan had a good roast before he was beat to a pulp".