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Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 0:44:35 GMT -5
I still don't buy the PB&J thing. As I see it, the first half of the clue is like this roasted + beat to a pulp = Peter Pan (peanut butter)
And the PB&J answer would require the second half to be like this: westward bay + big gulp = Ocean Spray (juice)
I just don't see those as equivalent logic. The first half even had the word "before" in it to separate the result from the parts you're adding up. You could rephrase it like "What gets roasted and beat to a pulp to form Peter Pan?" and there's pretty much no doubt about it that way.
But the second half just does not add up the same way to me. Yeah, it's possible to connect the two parts to Ocean Spray, but we're seen over and over that we can connect anything to anything else.
If anything, I would say it would be more logical for the two halves to lead to "peanuts" and "cranberries" (or berries or something). Is there anywhere we can go with "nuts and berries"? I tried googling that yesterday without much luck, but it is a phrase that you see at times so it seems like a possible lead to me.
Edit: There does seem to be a DJ/producer/something by the name of "Nuts + Berries" but he doesn't seem like anyone remotely well-known.
Ocean Spray has a coop deal with PepsiCo signed in 06 for machine based single serve beverage dispence. Side note they turned down joint venture buy with Pepsi in 04. Does Pepsi have a big deal going with 7/11?
Ha, I love how nobody can get this (including myself). I hope they get easier after this one
I'd be really really surprised if we weren't all right with Peter, Bjorn & John. Seriously. I love the folks at 'Roo, but they're not supergeniuses... we have the same amount of brain power, and it's pretty hard to make up a riddle. Try it. It's hard. I do think it was harder than last year's clues, definitely, but I think we definitely got it.
"I want you to notice When I'm not around You're so fücking special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here" -Radiohead
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 0:54:20 GMT -5
I know that's how you perceive it, that was my point - your answer means the second half would be like that. But that doesn't make sense, not the way the first half does.
Post by experiencehaze on Jan 18, 2009 1:02:06 GMT -5
But without "Peter Pan" in the first half of the clue "roasted" and "beaten to a pulp" probably would have brought us to a different conclusion.
What I'm saying is that with the information that we have, the BEST answer we have come up with is Peter, Bjorn & John. That may not be the correct answer, but it is our best. This is after all a game, which we are simply trying our best and if our best brings us to the wrong conclusion then so be it, we CANNOT be right every time. Like what I said earlier, this is the best answer we have to offer, and so far there is absolutely no indication that we will make any progress at all from this point.
"I want you to notice When I'm not around You're so fücking special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here" -Radiohead
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 1:11:54 GMT -5
I don't think I'm explaining myself very well. To me your logic for the second half just does not match the logic for the first half, but I can't think of a good way to explain why. Sorry. The best I can come up with is that the various parts of the first half can create some sort of logical structure. There's a way to organize them all: "What gets roasted and beat to a pulp to form Peter Pan?" But the second part is just three similar parts, there's no real organization for them. Unless I'm missing something?
Also, PB&J being the best answer we've come up with is entirely subjective. And I'm not sure I see why that's all that meaningful anyway. We could just come up with one guess for each clue, and it would be the best thing we've come up with and we could quit right there. Or we could keep thinking about it to see if we can come up with a better answer which could conceivably be the right answer. That's what I'm planning to do!
Post by captaintrips on Jan 18, 2009 1:14:10 GMT -5
in my opinion ....it absolutely is not peter bjorn and john... and heres why....despite anyones logic leading up to this answer (such as PB and J or whatever) it says peter in the clue...and i really dont think that neone would make that oversite in a clue leading to a possible artist..and put part of the band name in the clue....that would be stupid imo
in my opinion ....it absolutely is not peter bjorn and john... and heres why....despite anyones logic leading up to this answer (such as PB and J or whatever) it says peter in the clue...and i really dont think that neone would make that oversite in a clue leading to a possible artist..and put part of the band name in the clue....that would be stupid imo
^^^yeah I agree with this...although the clue may be something that we have said 'no thats way too easy, its not like last year'...but I don't think that easy like have his name in it...
But I've been reading all day and haven't been able to think of anything....its just the PB& J thing just isn't working for me....
I'm thinking we've got it...just very friggin confused
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 1:25:37 GMT -5
That's a really good point, captaintrips, I hadn't thought of that at all!
I'm thinking I actually like the Chuck Berry idea the best. I still feel like peanuts and berries are my best guesses for the two halves of the clue. Getting from Peanuts to Chuck isn't too much of a jump (Patty always called Charlie Brown Chuck).
wow pepper i do like the nuts and berries thought; but the only problem with that I can think of would be is the "big gulp" part which doesnt fit unless you consider that the "big gulp" part is just added to rhyme with "beat to a pulp" from the first part
Captaintrips, I see your point about "Peter" being in the clue and the answer. Then again it's taken us 30+ pages for anyone to notice so maybe it's not that relevant an objection. It's almost like the bit at the end of Roadhouse ***SPOILER ALERT*** where you think that Sam Elliot's gonna make it 'cause he is beaten to a pulp and left to live and Swayze goes to save Kelly Lynch but in reality it's just meant to mess with him more.
I think that because we are focused on Peter Pan as an entity and then as a spokesperson (mascott? brand name?) that we do not focus on him as a member of the fraternity of Peters.
Addressing one of Pepper's concerns, the "take a big gulp" could mean to drink in the clues or swallow the kool aid. Personally, I think it just further indicates juice.
I really do think that we've got this one and I think that's reflected in how cool this thread has gotten. I find it hard to see this a different way at this point but I applaud all of you who are not satisfied and keep digging -- even if it is a little maddening to me : )
If someone poses a different argument that makes more sense I will happily admit my error!!!
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 1:34:02 GMT -5
I know, I know, after I said I thought we needed to look at "big gulp" more I went ahead and ignored it anyway! ;D And I do still feel like there might be something more to that part. But since I have no idea what it is, nuts and berries is my best guess for now.
I keep thinking that both halves have a brand name in them - Peter Pan and Ocean Spray - which really makes me want to treat those the same way. Peanut butter and juice is definitely one possibility for that, and nuts and berries is the other possibility that I see. But either one sort of requires that we ignore other bits of the clue like in the Ben Folds clue from last year. With that precedent it's certainly possible that the answer is something like that. Although now that captaintrips brought up the Peter thing I'm really wondering about that.
Post by kkrrissttinnaa on Jan 18, 2009 1:38:12 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't see any part unaccounted for. Big gulp is pointing you in the juice direction (I didn't realize he was talking about juice until I read that) and the westward bay thing can be easily explained with either Massachusetts Bay or Buzzard Bay. I tried really hard to give the Chuck Barry thing a try, the PBWolf, the Snoop, the Cranberries... but this is by far the best answer we have so far.
Post by experiencehaze on Jan 18, 2009 1:39:28 GMT -5
Yeah like I said earlier, I think this year they may want some doubt in the answer to the clue so we won't have as clear of the lineup as we did last year.
I just had some corn so the conspiracies are going through my head.
"I want you to notice When I'm not around You're so fücking special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here" -Radiohead
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin
Pepper, you were just saying that you felt that both sides of the clue needed to be solved the same way and that was your argument against Peter, Bjorn and John but the path to Chuck Berry is all over the place.
Chuck as in short for Charlie Brown who is one of the Peanuts because Peter Pan is a brand of peanut butter that is made from roasting and then beating peanuts to a pulp. Also, because there is a meat product called chuck roast.
Berry because Ocean Spray is a brand of juice that is best known for it's cranberries?
Plus we are now ignoring both the westward bay and the big gulp.
I don't think that Chuck Berry *feels* correct.
(Please let me clarify that I in absolutely no way mean this as anything negative towards Pepper or any of the Chuck Berry crowd. Just stating my argument.)
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 1:51:36 GMT -5
Well, I sort of left a bit of my logic out. What I said earlier about the peanut butter logic encompassing all of the parts of that half and wanting a solution for the other half that did the same...Chuck Berry doesn't solve that problem. And I WOULD still feel better about a solution that did that.
But if we just used the two brand names, we could get either "peanut butter and juice" or "nuts and berries" (or peanuts and berries or whatever). PB&J seems to bring us to Peter Bjorn and John. Peanuts and berries could bring us to Chuck Berry, or maybe to something else. Out of those possibilities, Chuck Berry seems more logical to me, but that's JUST my own preference. Both of those are using the same sort of logic.
I'd prefer an answer that I felt used all of the parts of the clue, which neither of those does to me. But especially considering the Ben Folds clue from last year, it's possible that the real answer DOESN'T use all of the parts of the clue - if it didn't, PB&J or Chuck Berry are possibilities (plus maybe other things).
Edit: Oh, and when I think Chuck Berry, my logic is as simple as this: Peter Pan and Ocean Spray = peanut butter and cranberry juice = peanuts and berries. I'm ignoring roast and pulp just like I'm ignoring westward bay and big gulp. Yeah, you *can* connect all of them, it's just sort of additional fluff in this scenario. And obviously since I went PP and OS = pb and cranberry juice = peanuts and berries, I could have stopped at the middle step and had PB&J. So if I ignore the other bits, either of these answers seems possible and I just happen to prefer Chuck Berry.
I thought it was interesting that he was featured in the Denver Westword (Westward??). The Westword is the main source of entertainment news in Denver.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 2:04:48 GMT -5
Interesting! I read that review too, but I didn't know anything about the Denver Westword so I didn't realize that maybe it implies something about the guy's popularity.
I wonder if the clue is all substance that sounds rhymy or if there is some poetry in there that is superfluous to the answer.
As far as westward actually being Westword, that's entirely possible. The only text versions of the clue are ones that we typed ourselves. DJJD never spelled it out for us.
Edit: ^^^ This does leave us very vulnerable to homonyms.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 2:23:12 GMT -5
True, true, very true. Hmmmmm. Augh. I don't see any other possible homonyms in this clue, but it's something to keep in mind. And I would be somewhat surprised if the Denver Westword was what "westward/word" in the clue was pointing to, since it's the sort of googly scavenger hunt that these clues typically AREN'T. But it is an interesting coincidence, especially considering how much time we've devoted to wondering why he said "westward" instead of just "western."
Well, in the west the word bay is secondarily attributed to the call of a coyote. I don't know of any coyote bands, though, and I doubt that we'll have any clues based on a recent expansion hockey team : )
The homonym route is probably a dead end on this clue.
despite the fact that i think this reaching: what about for the second part being about an artist being from the list of starbuck's artists (where starbuck's is based out of seatle which is located on westard bay and starbucks coffee = big gulp) i think im thinking too much . . . . be back tomorrow
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