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he is cutting a lot of his words short or slang like...TISKNOTTOOBANZ, ain't nobody tellin, Hittin', chillin', Pep (this one may be nothing more then shortened name), fh, Sez
this is what initially got me stuck on the whole snoop thing but i have since stuck that in the back of my head and trying to come up with some new approaches
he is cutting a lot of his words short or slang like...TISKNOTTOOBANZ, ain't nobody tellin, Hittin', chillin', Pep (this one may be nothing more then shortened name), fh, Sez
Worth mentioning again that twitter is a micro-blogging application with a 140 character limit. brevity is certainly a goal of most users, if only to limit the number of messages
he is cutting a lot of his words short or slang like...TISKNOTTOOBANZ, ain't nobody tellin, Hittin', chillin', Pep (this one may be nothing more then shortened name), fh, Sez
Worth mentioning again that twitter is a micro-blogging application with a 140 character limit. brevity is certainly a goal of most users, if only to limit the number of messages
that is also another thing to keep in mind that hadn't really occured to me before.
but he's no where near that limit and in some tweets he doesn't cut anything short. also after looking through his last couple posts on here he doesn't cut words short like this, he actually uses the full -ing ending in a couple spots.
Post by CreativeUnderclass on Jan 17, 2009 21:51:31 GMT -5
140 characters, not words. From my count he was at around 134 on the last tweet, and if he spelled out the full words he wouldn't have made it. There was no reason to use shorthand in many of the shorter messages so he didn't.
As far as the -ing suffix versus alternate endings, it would be a bit stiff to end everything with -ing, it's just not how people speak. I don't know, I'm just not buying that there's more to these tweets. the twitter account is a clue solvers best friend...doesn't give clues that we know of, just seems to refine them. The only thing that has much mystery to it is the TISKNOTTOOBANZ which is not only a way to squeeze in the character limit creatively, but a way to not make it a complete gimme. Directly responding "It's not too bands" is a bit dry and takes some of the fun out of the hunt.
of course I've been wrong before, but I think in our desperation for more clues, some of us are reading into things that are simply the guy trying to communicate with us.
p.s. I'm with bonnaroodetect on the PBJ thing. Great logic that he wouldn't mix clue styles most likely and good insight into last years style of clues. Looking back it really wasn't that easy either, I mean sure we were resourceful and got it very quickly, but the fact is it took several steps to do so. The tour info definitely brings it all together, too.
westward bay is greys harbor, washington. north entrance is ocean shores, south is westport. head of bay is twin cities of aberdeen and HOquium. HOquium is slightly west of aberdeen. this is home to kurt cobain. greys harbor county is also called the Cranberry coast. also the Ocean refers to a LZ song of same name. ocean is(are) fans. both cobain and david grohl, nivana drummer are fans. Page and Jones played at foo fighters concert in jun 08. concert on vh1 tonight. grohl has made it no secret that he would love to work on any project of Page and Jones, whether drumming should BONham not work out. he drummed during rock & roll cover, sang during ramble on. grohl is Ocean. big gulp > 7/11> or the lyrics to another LZ song "since i've been loving you". dogs bay, bark, and also growl which grohl's voice can do after singing for awhile. PB&J refer to surviving members of LZ (as per LZ.com forum members). minor dispute over jason being a member but generally recognized as replacement for father. Page is peter pan since he according to plant has never grown musically past LZ whereas he has. Page is also being roasted in the press, music, and fan forums for thinking he could replace plant with another singer. Page through his manager has said that he that LZ would not tour without plant. if he tours with another band it will be NOT LED ZEPPELIN and singer will not be another plant clone. i believe AC/DC has not been solved. i believe AC was to refers to ALTER CREED. myles kennedy was long rumored to be Page and Jones new lead singer and still remotely could be if they decide to tour. he does LZ covers (the ocean and no quarter on a gov't mule with warren hayes CD done in oct 08 in spokane. a really great alternative rendition of kashmir and a spot on cover of rock and roll with Alter bridge. Jones plays with warren all the time. Jones is the social networker for LZ(Page). he is also connected to sonic youth in april to do some kind of dance thing for a day. Robert Johnson reference about broom could be referring to myles kennedy not being in the running as of now. kennedy and Page both covered travelling riverside blues and are fans of his. DC refers to Dazed and Confused(Page). many posters focused on sexualtity not the possibility of a religious component. LZ(Page) is considered in some circles to be the devils band, Creed was considered to be a christian band. Alterbridge unfairly is considered as such. kennedy does however have a very advanced spiritual nature, as does Page. other nonplant considerations are cornell and jack white on LZ boards. in conclusion i think Page and Jones will be at Bonnaroo maybe with grohl/BONham in some capacity as yet to be revealed. LED ZEPPELIN is DEAD, LONG LIVE NOT LED ZEPPELIN. personal favorite for lead is kennedy.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 17, 2009 23:09:43 GMT -5
Hmm.
I'm still not convinced of the Peter Bjorn and John thing. Mainly because of this: BonnarooDetective (and by association all of you who are agreeing with his well-written post ;D) said the second have was an obvious reference to Ocean Spray juice. Uh, yeah, because it SAID THE WORDS Ocean Spray. To me, the first half was obviously leading us to peanut butter or peanuts. I don't think the second half was leading us to Ocean Spray. The second half WAS Ocean Spray, it's leading us somewhere else. I could totally be wrong, but I think we need to "solve" the second half the way we solved the first half. The first half sort of condenses into peanut butter, it's like you can cross that entire half out and write peanut butter instead. If we come up with what the second half condenses into, then we'll have peanut butter and something else and we'll have to figure out how those two things combine into a band. But I don't think we have that second half yet.
And as for djjd's slang and the like...I don't think we should read anything into that. As was mentioned, it's almost a necessity on Twitter, especially stuff like fh and abbreviating me as Pep. And beyond that, he's always sort of spoken like that - odd phrasings and stuff. And keep in mind he's a split personality now - he's clearly trying to keep farmhand and farmhound separate, so maybe he's speaking differently as farmhound just so there's a different persona. And it's just random bits of slang anyway..."sez" and "gots" and occasional -ings that are shortened to -in'. It's not as if it's really ebonics or any other specific set of slang terms that could be meaningful.
Post by kkrrissttinnaa on Jan 17, 2009 23:28:46 GMT -5
Alright all- So I read half of the thread and got tired of all the patter that was just smiley faces and stuff... hahaha. So here's my two-cents, and I think I have some extra points that hadn't been made in the first half of the speculation.
It's definitely Peter, Bjorn & John. I'll concisely break it down, and hey-I study linguistics, so I'm ALL about the little intricacies in wording that can make a huge difference.
1. The first half of the clue: "Peter Pan had a good roast before he was beat to a pulp." Clearly pointing to peanut butter. There is an almost universal conclusion... peanut butter takes all aspects of this phrase and comes out with a solid, cohesive answer. It IS peanut butter.
2. The "and." He could have used a different connector here... a semi-colon, ellipses, "while," a lot of options. I think the "and" is integral because it doesn't make sense as a part of the actual wording... these two "events" aren't really concurrent, and it would be a logical conclusion that the "and" is leading one to believe that it's a part of the band title. It just makes sense.
3. The second part of the clue. "The ocean spray from a westward bay invites you to take a big gulp." I think DJJD once again underestimated us. Or, should I say, misunderestimated us. I think this is, indeed referring to juice, and here's way. If you look up where Ocean Spray's headquarters is, it's in Massachusetts... right by Cape Cod Bay. And when you say a bay is westard-facing, it means it's east of land. This explanation takes into account ALL of the parts of the question. When it says "the ocean spray," it means juice. Peanut Butter and Juice. Peter, Bjorn and John. That's the ONLY explanation for this clue. Peanut Butter Wolf doesn't take into account the second half at all.
"I want you to notice When I'm not around You're so fücking special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here" -Radiohead
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 17, 2009 23:48:52 GMT -5
Ooh, Kristina, maybe you can clarify something. You said a westward bay would mean it was on the eastern coast of whatever land, right? We were wondering about this earlier - westward or west-facing....because we weren't sure what direction a bay is "facing." I think a bay would be facing the direction in which it opened, so a westward bay would have to be on the west coast of something. But I know there were other people who thought the opposite, like you do, so - are you just guessing at what it would mean, or is there an actual answer to this debate?
Although while I'm at it - Cape Cod Bay opens to the north, so I don't see any way it could be a westward bay.
Braithwaite Bay is an open roadstead, exposed to the eastward and southward; in it the soundings are 17 to 10 fathoms, sand and coral. Its position is lat. 18° 43' 14" N. and long. 110° 54' 15" W., according to Sir Edward Belcher, who observes :—" The landing is rocky, with shores of lava coule, and nothing like a beach. Neither wood nor water was visible, although from the constant clouds which hang over the high peaks, there must be a supply in some other point. Lieut. Wood was despatched to examine the westward bay for wood or water. His report (not having landed) was, ' that goats were observed, the bay spacious, but no indications of wood or water visible.' It is probable that the goats find water.
Note that the bay is being noted to open to the "east and south." Thus, it's a westward bay. I know this is really roundabout, but this is some explorer type of guy. He knows.
And while Cape Cod opens to the North, the BAY opens to the east. Thus, it's westward.
westward bay is greys harbor, washington. north entrance is ocean shores, south is westport. head of bay is twin cities of aberdeen and HOquium. HOquium is slightly west of aberdeen. this is home to kurt cobain. greys harbor county is also called the Cranberry coast. also the Ocean refers to a LZ song of same name. ocean is(are) fans. both cobain and david grohl, nivana drummer are fans. Page and Jones played at foo fighters concert in jun 08. concert on vh1 tonight. grohl has made it no secret that he would love to work on any project of Page and Jones, whether drumming should BONham not work out. he drummed during rock & roll cover, sang during ramble on. grohl is Ocean. big gulp > 7/11> or the lyrics to another LZ song "since i've been loving you". dogs bay, bark, and also growl which grohl's voice can do after singing for awhile. PB&J refer to surviving members of LZ (as per LZ.com forum members). minor dispute over jason being a member but generally recognized as replacement for father. Page is peter pan since he according to plant has never grown musically past LZ whereas he has. Page is also being roasted in the press, music, and fan forums for thinking he could replace plant with another singer. Page through his manager has said that he that LZ would not tour without plant. if he tours with another band it will be NOT LED ZEPPELIN and singer will not be another plant clone. i believe AC/DC has not been solved. i believe AC was to refers to ALTER CREED. myles kennedy was long rumored to be Page and Jones new lead singer and still remotely could be if they decide to tour. he does LZ covers (the ocean and no quarter on a gov't mule with warren hayes CD done in oct 08 in spokane. a really great alternative rendition of kashmir and a spot on cover of rock and roll with Alter bridge. Jones plays with warren all the time. Jones is the social networker for LZ(Page). he is also connected to sonic youth in april to do some kind of dance thing for a day. Robert Johnson reference about broom could be referring to myles kennedy not being in the running as of now. kennedy and Page both covered travelling riverside blues and are fans of his. DC refers to Dazed and Confused(Page). many posters focused on sexualtity not the possibility of a religious component. LZ(Page) is considered in some circles to be the devils band, Creed was considered to be a christian band. Alterbridge unfairly is considered as such. kennedy does however have a very advanced spiritual nature, as does Page. other nonplant considerations are cornell and jack white on LZ boards. in conclusion i think Page and Jones will be at Bonnaroo maybe with grohl/BONham in some capacity as yet to be revealed. LED ZEPPELIN is DEAD, LONG LIVE NOT LED ZEPPELIN. personal favorite for lead is kennedy.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 0:09:16 GMT -5
Damn, my googling just gave me the opposite answer! Hahaha. And besides, if the roadstead is exposed to the eastward and southward, that doesn't necessarily mean the bay opens east and south, does it? I'm so confused.
And now I'm totally confused about Cape Cod too. How does the bay open anywhere but to the north?!
Damn, my googling just gave me the opposite answer! Hahaha. And besides, if the roadstead is exposed to the eastward and southward, that doesn't necessarily mean the bay opens east and south, does it? I'm so confused.
And now I'm totally confused about Cape Cod too. How does the bay open anywhere but to the north?!
I was under the impression that Cape Cod bay opened to the north as well.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 0:19:19 GMT -5
Good, I was afraid I'd actually gone crazy here!
I think we need to think more about big gulps. It would be really weird if he just happened to choose that wording if he just wanted to say something about taking a drink. It might be that "beat to a pulp" and "take a big gulp" were both chosen for the rhyme, but it could also be that "big gulp" is significant itself somehow. And unless I'm forgetting something, not a single guess so far has utilized "big gulp" at ALL. So 7-11, Dumb and Dumber, Slurpees, Kwik-e-marts, etc. - what possible connections are there from big gulps?
Post by kkrrissttinnaa on Jan 18, 2009 0:21:28 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Now I'm confused too. I'm getting lots of conflicting answers from the internets. I still think it's PB&J, but I retract my statement about cape cod bay opening to the east... it does open to the north. HOWEVER, Massachusetts Bay is right there too, and that DEFINITELY opens to the east, thus westward. Or so Mr. Explorer says.
Ocean Spray Inc is located has an office in Aberdeen, WA. Many cranberry growers are members of the Ocean Spray cooperative in this area as well as in Oregon and BC. LZ will not be at Bonnoroo but Jimmy Page might be.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 18, 2009 0:28:31 GMT -5
I dunno...Ocean Spray IS juice. It didn't need anything to tie it to juice, juice is the first thing anybody is going to think when they hear ocean spray. And that still doesn't address the exact wording of "big gulp" - if that was it he could have used any reference to drinking something; I still think it's significant that he happened to use the name of a well-known drink at 7-11.