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i've always looked at technology advancements as a double edged sword. when blu ray and high def tvs started becoming the fuss a year or two ago i was so angry, saying how unnecessary it is. with christmas coming around and highdef tvs dropping dramatically in price, i finally came across a friend who picked one up with a playstation3 and i have to say WOW. watching planet earth in blu ray (high as a kite might i add) was pure awesomeness.
was wondering what inforooers thought of this kinda thing. is blu ray overhyped? or is it really that awesome, or do u just not really give a shit?
Post by slobpatttop on Dec 8, 2008 16:32:04 GMT -5
I don't know about this fancy stuff, but my parents have one of these TV's and I was over there a coupla months ago and my brother and I were something.... and yes to Planet Earth on there.... Hella Sweet
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 8, 2008 17:07:02 GMT -5
If you have an HD tv bigger than 42" the difference between standard def dvd's and blu ray is huge. If you are investing in an hd tv, invest in br as well.
The main difference between the two (in terms of the discs themselves, not the TVs) is the amount of data storage. BluRay can hold a significant more amount of data than an HD-DVD. Typically, a BluRay disc will have alot more bonus features, which suffice to say, I'm not interested in. But HD-DVD is going to be discontinued, and the shift to BluRay has begun.
When it comes to the quality of the images, I'm pretty sure it's more of what your looking for. Between Plasmas, HDTVs, LCDs, and BluRay TVs, it's really a tossup. Plasmas have the best color quality, but they suffer heavily from glare. LCD's provide the crispest and brightest images, and are extremely light. That's pretty much all I know on the topic. Personally, I wouldn't mind settling on a cheap HDTV because the picture will still be amazing in comparison. Regular TV and DVDs usually run with a 480i res, while any HD format is 1080i, so just jumping from regular to HD is huge. If I had to pick a TV though for any price, I'd go with LCD and a BluRay player, just because Alan Parsons backs BluRay ;D
Remember Beta? Exactly. VHS beat out Beta. Sony owned Beta and would not let porn be put on Beta. That is what sold the first recorders. Sad, but true. My husband should know
Now Sony is smarter. They own Blue Ray and have kicked HD's butt. Best Buys does not even sell HD anymore. Go Blue Ray, it may not be better, but it won.
HDTV has better quality than standard TV due to the increased number of lines of resolution. If I'm remembering correctly, regular TV has 420 lines while HDTV has a minimum of 720 and the best has 1080 (more than twice the number of lines of resolution.)
For this reason regular DVD, which displays in 420 lines, is being replaced with HD quality DVD's and players. The 2 formats are Blue Ray and HD-DVD and they have been battling it out. It now looks like Blue Ray is the winner.
BlueRay/HD-DVD display more lines and so hold more data. They do this by using a laser with a shorter wavwlength so the markings on the disc can be smaller and so there can be more of them.
As for my opinion, it is an inevitable improvement like the CD, DVD, etc. I'm sticking with my standard TV and DVD until they break or I am forced to switch (like I was forced from vinyl to CD)
I just hate that you have to wait 5-10 years for the industry to battle out the formats instead of just standardizing a format to begin with. This just delays the release of a cheap format, allows money , not quality, to determine the winner and ensures that some early buyers will be stuck with expensive junk. (ie Beta)
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The main difference between the two (in terms of the discs themselves, not the TVs) is the amount of data storage. BluRay can hold a significant more amount of data than an HD-DVD. Typically, a BluRay disc will have alot more bonus features, which suffice to say, I'm not interested in. But HD-DVD is going to be discontinued, and the shift to BluRay has begun.
When it comes to the quality of the images, I'm pretty sure it's more of what your looking for. Between Plasmas, HDTVs, LCDs, and BluRay TVs, it's really a tossup. Plasmas have the best color quality, but they suffer heavily from glare. LCD's provide the crispest and brightest images, and are extremely light. That's pretty much all I know on the topic. Personally, I wouldn't mind settling on a cheap HDTV because the picture will still be amazing in comparison. Regular TV and DVDs usually run with a 480i res, while any HD format is 1080i, so just jumping from regular to HD is huge. If I had to pick a TV though for any price, I'd go with LCD and a BluRay player, just because Alan Parsons backs BluRay ;D
Actually HD-DVD is already a dead format, movies are no longer released on it, the players are not even produced. Also Blu-Ray plays in a native resolution of 1080p. The types of tv's are LCD, Plasma, and DLP. Worth the jump. IMO the PS3 is still the best blu ray player value wise if you have any desire to play games, or even not its still at least as good as a 400$ BR player.
Post by Steel_City_X on Dec 10, 2008 22:16:08 GMT -5
I would add that the HD(red) and Blu-Ray battle ended when Toshiba pulled out of the race in February 2008. The marketing group for this ended prior to April 2008.
Blu-Ray is the surviving format. Luckily, I won our PS3 80GB in a raffle - 14 bucks and I won over 1K of goods.
My problem is that I do not want a huge screen - small house - must stay with a smaller TV screen. I think that the smallest 1080 is about a 32" screen. I want to find out about the various performance measures - refresh rate, refresh speed, contrast, etc.....
There are some cheap - thus inexpensive products out there in the market. I've seen bundled packages of BR players + HD TV for fairly reasonable amounts.
What about the upconverting DVD players? I've heard that they do a decent job, but have not seen one.
Ah, technology, you will be a poor man trying to keep up. Just remember not to get rid of the old DVD's. New technology will extend their life for awhile.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Dec 10, 2008 22:32:32 GMT -5
I work in professional video manufacturing. My job is to be a technical know it all. If you buy a blue ray player buy a PS3. BR will be on life support in three years. True it is a consumer product and deal strictly with professional, but pros are concerned with delivery of HD product to consumers. Optical media as a whole is ultimately doomed. As bandwidth increases and compression advances everything will become web content. You can file BR next to Beta max shortly. Mark my words.
I work in professional video manufacturing. My job is to be a technical know it all. If you buy a blue ray player buy a PS3. BR will be on life support in three years. True it is a consumer product and deal strictly with professional, but pros are concerned with delivery of HD product to consumers. Optical media as a whole is ultimately doomed. As bandwidth increases and compression advances everything will become web content. You can file BR next to Beta max shortly. Mark my words.
The 360 is already offering netflix online and the PS3 is putting up downloadable movies this holiday season if they aren't already up. Definitely agree this is the future as storage becomes cheaper and cheaper also.
hmmm good to know all of this. so i am a film studies major and i have a dangerous obscession with film. i own like over 120 dvds i've collected since i was in 7th grade and am just not really looking forward to the day they stop making them. i mean to me it just seems this clearer, crisp image and sound that bluray offers is nice but not really necessary. i would only really want to watch some things like Planet Earth, The Dark Knight, 300 and other films filmed digitally with hd cameras on blu-ray.
so would u say that it would be better to go ahead and get a PS3 along with a 1080 HDtv or just wait till the digital download is perfected within the next couple years?
also keep in mind, blu-ray doesnt make the special effects better... just clearer. if a movie has half-ass cgi special effects it will look really corny on blu-ray (e.g. Pirates of the Carribean or Harry Potter) IMO. same thing goes with porn. BJs will look sloppier and fake boobs will look faker.
hmmm good to know all of this. so i am a film studies major and i have a dangerous obscession with film. i own like over 120 dvds i've collected since i was in 7th grade and am just not really looking forward to the day they stop making them. i mean to me it just seems this clearer, crisp image and sound that bluray offers is nice but not really necessary. i would only really want to watch some things like Planet Earth, The Dark Knight, 300 and other films filmed digitally with hd cameras on blu-ray.
so would u say that it would be better to go ahead and get a PS3 along with a 1080 HDtv or just wait till the digital download is perfected within the next couple years?
also keep in mind, blu-ray doesnt make the special effects better... just clearer. if a movie has half-ass cgi special effects it will look really corny on blu-ray (e.g. Pirates of the Carribean or Harry Potter) IMO. same thing goes with porn. BJs will look sloppier and fake boobs will look faker.
I'm saying that the medium is not viable in the long term. How long it wil take for home computer based delivery to catch up to YOU - Meaning that you have a monitor, processor, connection, etc that can deliver the true value of content - is a question in and of itself. I'm saying that a PS 3 serves another purpose. It will probably be replaced next x-mas anyway (just a guess).
Special FX always look worse on home theater because they are designed to be seen on the big screen. They are more easily scrutinized and presented in a completely different perspective on smaller screens. Hollywood fakes everything for the big screen.
And for the record I would (if I actually watched TV which I don't except fotball) get a 720P TV. It costs less, can do 60 Htz progressive, and will not require upsampling of HD content. This all refers to broadcast, as in watching TV. ESPN and ABC are all 720 and sports are shot at a minimum of 60P. 1080 is better, but up-sampled content loses image quality.
Porn is rarely shot with the appropriate attention to detail such as lighting or technical know how of skin detail functions and sharpness adjustments that will make subjects look more attractive. for the most part i t is a poor example of quality evaluation.
Anything shot on film is much higher res than HD. For that matter it's higher res than 2K or 4K which is what most digitally shot motion pictures are acquired on these days. Stuff shot on film will look markedly better (if transfered correctly) on an HD delivery than it will on SD DVD.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 11, 2008 1:03:57 GMT -5
That is something I learned doing a film program^, the resolution of film is many many times higher than that of HD, which leads me to wonder how long 1080p will be the ceiling. That said I feel pretty comfortable with my 1080p future wise, as well as my PS3. I think its going to be longer than you think fishing for the PS3 to be replaced by Sony. I also don't know what kind of glimpse into that industry you have, though.
I agree that media content will progress to the point where physical media is no longer the popular source. I can't say for sure how long, but when you look at xbox live, ps3 and iTunes, they all have the ability to download (rent or buy) movies, tv shows, etc. So the technology is definitely headed there. That's not to say that your Blu-ray player will be worthless, you'll just be using it less.
In terms of Blu-ray vs. HD DVD, BR is a much better format. HD DVD was just a jerry-rigged DVD able to play things in HD.
Back in the day when it was VHS vs. Beta, one of the deciding factors was the porn industry going with VHS. Again with BR vs HD DVD, the industry backed BR. That's not to say that porn is the deciding factor in format wars, but it did make a difference.
