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Just a few Bonnaroo veterans that, in my opinion, lean more toward the hipster than hippie crowd. And, aren't you people clamoring for Arcade Fire on the farm?
I'm a jeans & t-shirt kinda guy, so I don't particularly feel I fall into either category. I'm wearing blue jeans, an orange ringer tee, and a pair of Vans - judge that as (I'm sure) you will... In the interest of further disclosure, I bring along a 30-pack of PBR to Bonnaroo every year (note my profile pic). That rule about glass bottles pretty much rules out the Wisconsin microbrews I can bring, and I find it has the most bang for my buck if I have to buy cheaper beer in quantities.
The acts that convinced me to go to my first Bonnaroo in 03, after being a "maybe" the year prior, were Neil Young, Sonic Youth & the Flaming Lips. Make of that what you will, but it just goes to show "hipster" acts have been playing Bonnaroo for years. In fact, I think the hipster bands had a bigger presence at Bonnaroo earlier than hip hop acts did. I have attended Bonnaroo with hippies, I have attended Bonnaroo with hipsters, and I enjoyed them all.
If you've seen any of the acts I've mentioned, and you're speaking ill of hipsters, you yourself are encouraging it to happen. Perhaps the relevant term is hypocrite?
Me too. Hate is one of those words that people throw around so much...I just don't understand how someone could hate everything. Find another word for the way you feel...you can't HATE everything! Well I guess there are some people who can be exceptions...but that's just stupid.
We're just people. People like what they like and can find common ground with other people that may like the same things. We do need to usually label groups for communication purposes but that's about it...And does it really bother you so much that these "hipsters" live the way they do? Because if it bothers you the best thing you can do is...well, get the quack over it.
I bring along a 30-pack of PBR to Bonnaroo every year
Four days and one 30 pack. You're not a hippie or a hipster. You're a quacking lightweight.
Four days is definitely far more than a single 30 pack of PBR for me. This year, my provisions this year were more like three of PBR 30s, 2-3 12 packs of the only Wisconsin microbrew we could find in a can, a couple boxes of wine, bottles of vodka, rum, Jager & SoCo. Not to mention all the drinking I have to do inside Centeroo (mmmm Sweetwater Blue) because I can't bring any of the aforementioned booze inside.
Call me a hippie or a hipster and I won't mind - I'll at least see that there's some basis for the description.
Call me a lightweight, and I'm quite offended. I'm from fucking Wisconsin - the alcoholic state. We drink the most. We binge drink the most. We drunk drive the most. We have a perennial top-10 party school in the nation. Our baseball team's mascot is a Brewer, for Christ's sake.
So... are you going to retract and apologize for that comment now? Or does this have to come down to a drinking contest at Bonnaroo?
Me too. Hate is one of those words that people throw around so much...I just don't understand how someone could hate everything. Find another word for the way you feel...you can't HATE everything! Well I guess there are some people who can be exceptions...but that's just stupid.
Call me a hippie or a hipster and I won't mind - I'll at least see that there's some basis for the description.
Call me a lightweight, and I'm quite offended. I'm from quacking Wisconsin - the alcoholic state. We drink the most. We binge drink the most. We drunk drive the most. We have a perennial top-10 party school in the nation. Our baseball team's mascot is a Brewer, for Christ's sake.
So... are you going to retract and apologize for that comment now? Or does this have to come down to a drinking contest at Bonnaroo?
If you feel that a retraction and apology is in order then you take my post too seriously. I probably should have included a after the lightweight comment. As far as drinking contest is concerned, I only weigh 120 #'s. I wouldn't want to embarass you. I'm Irish you know. Still I'll gladly tip some pints with you at roo. I'm partial to vodka and Gatorade with breakfast. Or my roo invention from last year the glacier bay. Parrot bay rum and Glacier Freeze Gatorade. Girly drink, yes, but excellent in the TN sun before cracking some cans of good old bud or High Life (Speaking of Wisconsin).
Same. Personally, I don't think one is better than the other (and I've used both). I just prefer Windows. But those ads have always bugged me. They're like "if you don't have Mac, you're a loser". I really like how Windows has fired back with the "I'm a PC" adds. Very classy
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My two cents: An elitist attitude is an elitist attitude. Be it Hippies, Hipsters, Emo kids, Metalheads, Goth, Punk, hell, even Country fans. I've met more than plenty of people who fall into these categories at "their" shows. The ones who take themselves too seriously are the ones who I tend to laugh at. I could give two shits about how you dress, it's all about your attitude. Don't act like you are better than me because I'm wearing a Pantera shirt at your Belle and Sebastian show. And for godsake, if you have paid to go to a concert, and you like what you hear, make some fu*king noise! No one will judge you for your expressions! (<----my one single "hipster" pet peeve)
Well put, man. All I want to see is everyone getting into the music. I don't care what you're wearing (Though, I do find it amusing when hipsters are walking around at Bonnaroo in jeans. Buy some shorts, man)
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If you feel that a retraction and apology is in order then you take my post too seriously. I probably should have included a after the lightweight comment. As far as drinking contest is concerned, I only weigh 120 #'s. I wouldn't want to embarass you. I'm Irish you know. Still I'll gladly tip some pints with you at roo. I'm partial to vodka and Gatorade with breakfast. Or my roo invention from last year the glacier bay. Parrot bay rum and Glacier Freeze Gatorade. Girly drink, yes, but excellent in the TN sun before cracking some cans of good old bud or High Life (Speaking of Wisconsin).
I'm from Wisconsin... round here, we can't let something like that go unanswered. You might as well slap me with your glove and tell me you demand satisfaction. I often start Bonnaroo mornings with a screwdriver/vodka lemonade or wine straight from the bag. I'll admit that's a bit girly too.
But I fail to see how a 120-lb Irishman would embarrass hundred-pounds-heavier me. Three quarters of my ancestry is split between German & English, with some Irish from my great-grandma on top of that, so I think I could hold my own there. However, the Swiss in me trumps all that. Cooperative drinking instead of competitive drinking it is.
What's even worse are those cut-off shorts they wear. It's like, stop trying to look cool and buy a pair of g oddamn shorts
Had a group come with me and my buddy the first year I went. One of those guys was his first year also. He wore tight blue jeans and a button up shirt long sleeve.
He walked around in this, and variations of it all 4 days. I told him dude take that crap off, your gonna kill yourself. He was like na im ok man. I told him he could have a pair of my shorts if he didn't bring any. He still declined. I then asked him if he was going to come back to the farm next year, he said nah, iv done it now. Just wanted to say that iv been.
Hipster? Who knows, he had a pretty laid back attitude.
I was in Buckle the other day just browsing around in bordom and I was looking at a shirt that caught my eye, an employee says to me "Thats a really awesome shirt man, I bought one the day it came out." Well I checked out the price, $68. WTF?! No way im paying for that shirt. I then got a good look at everyone in the store. Wow. Forgot why I never shopped there.
Anyways, I felt that goes into this thread somehow.
On another note, my baby sister just walked into the room and I started thinking. Children obviously care nothing about fashion or clothing, when and how does this trend begin that we must look good with matching clothing, name brands, and all this other crap?
Children obviously care nothing about fashion or clothing, when and how does this trend begin that we must look good with matching clothing, name brands, and all this other crap?
I saw this awhile back and took it to my classes. Great for explaining idioms to students by non-example. I cut off the bottom where it tells the website b/c I didnt want parents coming back saying I had shown them an 'inappropriate web site' . They were dying to know where I found it though. ha! good...
They do a great one on commas..that I took in too and had, them take turns, so they, could hear, how it sounds, to place an, un-needed, comma.
On another note, my baby sister just walked into the room and I started thinking. Children obviously care nothing about fashion or clothing, when and how does this trend begin that we must look good with matching clothing, name brands, and all this other crap?
I guess thats why we have Bonnaroo now
the only thing that seems relevant is "matching." you can "match" or intentional;y wear things that dont "match." it's all about color and color has a tremendous effect on the moods of people you interact with.
im an art major... i like color theory. i dont care how loud and rediculous you dress, just give me a nice palate of colors to enjoy ;D
Just wanted to pop in and reiterate what has already been said - the elitism of hipsters is what drove me batty in Chicago this summer. My roommate's friend once said that she posted on Craigslist looking for a hookup and actually included, "hipsters only". I think all subcultures are at least partly about finding something to belong to, and a way to feel good about being different. But what is so obnoxious is the pathetic level of pleasure some hipsters get from their elitism, and also as Becca said, the fact that its 26 year olds doing this. Okay, so being cooler than other people is exciting when you are 16, but grow up and get over yourself, please. I feel like it speaks to our generation - a lot of us are just not becoming grown-ups when we should, because being responsible, reasonable and gracious is just boring.
On the flip side, hippies have their drawbacks just as all humans do, but at least they are kind. I'm not a hippie but I've always felt very welcomed by all the hippies I've interacted with. And of course, as Meg pointed out, I should continue this kindness by not generalizing and bitching about an entire group of people, many of which are certainly wonderful human beings who I simply haven't had the opportunity to get to know. But I still think there is nothing wrong with admitting that the subculture as a whole can be pretty fucking annoying.
Honestly, I've got some great friends from both subcultures, some really kind people with awesome taste in music. I also know a lot of d-bags from each group who stick up their noses at anyone who's not like them.
I think hippies can be every bit as judgmental as hipsters (adios karma) - both groups dress funny, they both love to list off all their favorite bands (90% of whom I've never even heard of), they both like to think of themselves as being the epitome of cool (but of course, they'd never admit it), et cetera. Personally, I dislike anyone who carries around an air of elitism about them.
If you dress a certain way or listen to certain bands, good for you. That doesn't make you special or unique or different. Don't let a quacking label define who you are, just so you can fit in. Both groups are considered part of the counter-culture, but I fail to see how you can call yourself part of the counter-culture, a different type of person from the rest of society, when you act exactly like everyone else in your peer group. Just be who you are, enjoys whatever appeals to you, and quack what everyone else thinks.