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An HBO miniseries written by Richard Price who was a writer on The Wire, and Steven Zaillian who wrote the screenplays for American Gangster and Schindler's List.
I've read it described as a mix of Serial and a highbrow version of Law & Order: SVU.
Anyway it's a very precise, intricate statement on our justice system and the prison industrial complex and also a compelling murder mystery. John Turturro and Michael K Williams have never been better. It's currently 6 episodes through and I think it'll only run for 8 episodes altogether. Hyper-realistic like The Wire and as exciting as True Detective, I suggest everyone check it out.
I like this show and have enjoyed the pace of it, but I feel like the ending is going to be bad. They only have 2 episodes left and tons of storylines going on right now. We'll see though.
I like this show and have enjoyed the pace of it, but I feel like the ending is going to be bad. They only have 2 episodes left and tons of storylines going on right now. We'll see though.
I feel less like the ending will be 'bad' and more like there will probably no real emotional payoff. As this show is pretty grounded in realism and not romanticism, I don't see Nasir getting the justice he (barely) deserves, despite all the narrative buildup with these potential other suspects.
Two episodes still is a lot of time to tie things up. All of the episodes so far have been 57 to 59 minutes or longer, and the finale will probably be longer than an hour. I think what'll happen is Stone will figure out who really killed Andrea (assuming it wasn't Nasir), but because of legal tie-ups, court stature, and race issues, Chandra will be unable to convince the jury. And given with the recent developments in Nasir's charactater, it's hard to sympathize with him.
I like this show and have enjoyed the pace of it, but I feel like the ending is going to be bad. They only have 2 episodes left and tons of storylines going on right now. We'll see though.
I feel less like the ending will be 'bad' and more like there will probably no real emotional payoff. As this show is pretty grounded in realism and not romanticism, I don't see Nasir getting the justice he (barely) deserves, despite all the narrative buildup with these potential other suspects.
Two episodes still is a lot of time to tie things up. All of the episodes so far have been 57 to 59 minutes or longer, and the finale will probably be longer than an hour. I think what'll happen is Stone will figure out who really killed Andrea (assuming it wasn't Nasir), but because of legal tie-ups, court stature, and race issues, Chandra will be unable to convince the jury. And given with the recent developments in Nasir's charactater, it's hard to sympathize with him.
Yeah, I definitely shouldn't judge it based on what hasn't even happened yet. I just want it to be longer.
I feel like they're going to finally find something to prove Naz innocent only for him to get caught breaking a law in prison, showing how the system can corrupt an innocent man.
Also it's kinda sad that there's only one episode left, but on the bright side it's apparently going to be 96 minutes long.
I stockpiled this while finishing other things because I knew it would be good, and every indication seems to be that my presumption of quality was well-founded. Planning on starting tomorrow so I can be caught up by the finale.
I feel like they're going to finally find something to prove Naz innocent only for him to get caught breaking a law in prison, showing how the system can corrupt an innocent man.
Also it's kinda sad that there's only one episode left, but on the bright side it's apparently going to be 96 minutes long.
I feel like they're going to finally find something to prove Naz innocent only for him to get caught breaking a law in prison, showing how the system can corrupt an innocent man.
Also it's kinda sad that there's only one episode left, but on the bright side it's apparently going to be 96 minutes long.
My guess is that Nas was never that innocent to begin with. I'm 50/50 on whether he killed her or if it was the stepfather. In general, I really enjoy the show, especially episode 7. But as a murder mystery, it's a little lacking. I don't find myself caring that much about who did it. And the whole side story about the lawyer's feet, his son, and his libido are all a little meh.
My guess is that Nas was never that innocent to begin with. I'm 50/50 on whether he killed her or if it was the stepfather. In general, I really enjoy the show, especially episode 7. But as a murder mystery, it's a little lacking. I don't find myself caring that much about who did it. And the whole side story about the lawyer's feet, his son, and his libido are all a little meh.
but does it even matter anymore? naz is now an accomplice to murder regardless of what happened before prison. michael k. williams is so good always. i still don't understand the eczema storyline, and my heart breaks every time we get a scene from naz's parents.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Aug 29, 2016 7:34:36 GMT -5
Loved this series. Heartbreaking to see the family in financial ruin trying to save their son. Sad to see Naz become what he become going through everything. How else does one survive sitting in a high-security, federal penitentiary? Detective Box was my favorite character. The scene with him confronting the financial planner at the bar and John Turturro's closing statement, superb acting!
So happy the cat got to stay! I think the cat represented Naz and the attorney's feelings towards trying to help someone. Also, the cat was a small piece of life left from Andrea's existence, sadly.
not sure what it says about me, but it was the cat walking across the apartment at the end that finally got me all teary-eyed.
for naz, it's easy to think there is nothing but sadness ahead for him, but there is always hope. There was something strangely hopeful about him sitting there smoking heroin at the bridge. Which is one of the oddest statements I've written in a while, and I can't justify it. It's just how I felt watching it.
turturro's closing statement was the best part of the episode. it was perfect.
regarding michael k williams' character, the whole run of the series I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, to find out why he was really interested in naz. in the end it turns out what he wanted was exactly what he said he wanted. he just liked being around the guy. sure I know they did illegal prison shit together, but that's just prison.
Yeah I kept thinking something was going to happen at some point in those last minutes. But everything ended pretty well. Naz got out. Stone had the closing statement of all statements. Box and Weiss are going after the real killer. The cat got to live.
Chandra got pretty screwed though. Yeah things didn't end well for her at all.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 29, 2016 23:46:07 GMT -5
Great show. I'm slightly annoyed by the talk of "series finale" and "limited series" being followed up by "rumors/talks of Season 2".
If they go another round I would hope it would be a separate story/character/crime and not a continuation. Apparently the second season of the original was about a domestic dispute couple where the woman kills her husband. We'll see if they choose to go that route.
Great series/season and finale. Riz Ahmed and John Turturro were fantastic but I also loved the guy who played Detective Box, the prosecuting attorney, and Freddy (OMAR COMIN' Y'ALL!).
The closing argument part was awesome. Great work from all.
I loved this show and I'm going to miss it. I always catch anything that John Turturro does. Riz Ahmed was great. He was on Colbert tonight and I (and Colbert apparently) was surprised to know he is UK-Pakistani with the UK accent. He did a great job in the role of a native NYC Muslim citizen. Great writing. Just a great show overall.
The video recording of Chandra and Nas' kiss. I think I missed who it was that leaked it. Was it Detective Box like Stone had thought? Or was it Freddy when the security guard handed him the disk? I see both of them having their own motivations for a mistrial, but wasn't sure whether or not the show made it clear with who we were meant to infer actually left the disk at Stone's doorstep.
The video recording of Chandra and Nas' kiss. I think I missed who it was that leaked it. Was it Detective Box like Stone had thought? Or was it Freddy when the security guard handed him the disk? I see both of them having their own motivations for a mistrial, but wasn't sure whether or not the show made it clear with who we were meant to infer actually left the disk at Stone's doorstep.
The video recording of Chandra and Nas' kiss. I think I missed who it was that leaked it. Was it Detective Box like Stone had thought? Or was it Freddy when the security guard handed him the disk? I see both of them having their own motivations for a mistrial, but wasn't sure whether or not the show made it clear with who we were meant to infer actually left the disk at Stone's doorstep.
Freddy.
Then answer me this. Why? Was it not in Freddy's best interest to keep Naz in jail prison?
Then answer me this. Why? Was it not in Freddy's best interest to keep Naz in jail prison?
Freddy's motivations are unclear. No doubt he enjoyed having Naz in prison with him, but he also took steps to help him in court, like trying to give him the appropriate clothes to wear in court, that kind of stuff. So he did try to help him.
On the other hand, if Freddy knew the trial wasn't going Naz's way (which Naz no doubt shared with him after the DA eviscerated him on the stand), a mistrial would certainly give Naz another chance at freedom. But it also guarantees that Naz will remain in prison for at least a while longer, as they go through a whole new trial. So no matter what his motivation, whether it be to get Naz free or keep Naz in prison, in the short term a mistrial keeps Naz in prison.
Maybe it's just because I love Michael K. Williams, but I think ultimately Freddy had Naz's best interest at heart. He selfishly enjoyed his company, sure, and used him in a dangerous way to sneak heroin into the prison, but only so he could split that heroin with Naz and they could get wasted together and talk. He helped Naz get used to the idea of prison, so that if he did ultimately get convicted (which, lets face it, seems like it was the foregone conclusion) he wouldn't spiral into a depression. But his other actions indicate to me that he did want Naz to have the best chance possible to get his freedom.
Again, maybe I'm being naive, but that is the way I see it.