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I've been waiting for this. There was no scheduled business today, not a filibuster in any meaningful sense. He's also completely exaggerating what Holder actually said about drone use on American soil.
Edit: Here is Holder's letter to Paul. I struggle to see how this could be interpreted as the administration taking carte blanche to execute American's on US soil.
Politico is reporting that he considered using a catheter. I'm sure there's a punchline here somewhere, but I'm not sure that really needs one.
I've been waiting for this. There was no scheduled business today, not a filibuster in any meaningful sense. He's also completely exaggerating what Holder actually said about drone use on American soil.
Edit: Here is Holder's letter to Paul. I struggle to see how this could be interpreted as the administration taking carte blanche to execute American's on US soil.
Politico is reporting that he considered using a catheter. I'm sure there's a punchline here somewhere, but I'm not sure that really needs one.
He should have used a summers breeze in a sac to match. Sorry but this guy is a waste of space. I'm as peace loving as anyone you could imagine, marching down the streets of my southern town on more than one occasion but this filibuster was a publicity stunt and nothing more.
Dear Senator Paul: It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: "Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?" The answer to that question is no.
Anyone else watching or have already watched House of Cards on Netflix? I can't watch CNN the same way again. I just keep imagining all 30 steps of politics are behind every move. I knew most of that stuff happened already, but I never paid as much attention to it. It's like watching certain commercials after a Mad Men marathon, or being in any random outdoor situation after watching Walking Dead, or doing meth after watching Breaking Bad. It just gets your brain going.
I struggle to see how this could be interpreted as the administration taking carte blanche to execute American's on US soil.
I'm unsure the filibuster was centered around that letter you just posted.
1:27 a.m. | Updated WASHINGTON — A small group of Republicans, led by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, stalled the Senate on Wednesday by waging a nearly 13-hour old-school, speak-until-you-can-speak-no-more filibuster over the government’s use of lethal drone strikes — forcing the Senate to delay the expected confirmation of John O. Brennan to lead the Central Intelligence Agency.
Mr. Paul, who opposes Mr. Brennan’s nomination, followed through on his plan to filibuster the confirmation of President Obama’s nominee after receiving a letter this month from Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. that refused to rule out the use of drone strikes within the United States in “extraordinary circumstances” like the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Word. I was basing it off this quote from the Washington Post. But it's possible Rand misspoke and was referring to Holder's letter.
“When I asked the president, ‘Can you kill an American on American soil?’ it should have been an easy answer. It’s an easy question. It should have been a resounding, an unequivocal, ‘No,’ ” Paul said. “The president’s response? He hasn’t killed anyone yet. We’re supposed to be comforted by that.”
I wonder if he also had a butt catheter for all of the malarky he had to come up with to talk for that long
wiki: Prohibited from even going to the comfort room, he had to relieve in his pants until Almendras' arrival. He voted for party-mate Eulogio Rodriguez just as Almendras arrived, and had to be carried off via stretcher out of the session hall due to exhaustion.
I guess in the grand plan of things, pissing in your pants for politics is more important than doing the same thing because you don't want to lose you spot on the rail for a band .................naw ... Speaking of: I am non-violent. I am for freedom of speech. I would like to slap this guy (BTW old pic if you haven't seen it) cr****
Everytime I hear something out of the GOP, I am reminded of these
Pretty sure Jesus would be OK with slashing help for the poor, sick & needy, right? I'm sure he'd be all about the rich job creators. And the children of this country. Well f*ck them too. I can just picture him saying that.
Pretty sure Jesus would be OK with slashing help for the poor, sick & needy, right? I'm sure he'd be all about the rich job creators. And the children of this country. Well f*ck them too. I can just picture him saying that.
"Hey Mr. J, healing the blind and feeding the hungry is just catering to a society of takers." - Paul Ryan, praestantissimum exemplum malum habens duo prima nomina
Mar 14 Sheepdogs/Fitz & The Tantrums/City & Colour (Austin)
Mar 15 Jim James (Austin)
Apr 26 Jim James (Boston)
May 4 Clutch & The Sword (Portland ME)
Jun 8 DMB (Hartford)
Jun 21 Jim James (Northampton MA)
Jul 27-28 Newport Folk
Aug 6 Death Grips (Boston)
Oct 25-27 MOEMS
It's because they're an arm of plutocracy (and while I'm at it, please don't tell me you don't think some Democrats) that they have to be taken seriously. So much of the BS that comes out of their mouths? Yeah, you can dismiss that. Them entirely? Not so much. They obviously speak to some of the electorate in ways to earn their votes, as evidenced by electoral outcomes. I don't believe they're all evil & in it for personal gain - some are stuck in ways or low-information voters. They can't outright buy those votes directly from citizens. Not yet, at least. Although a Scrooge McDuck style campaign fund is always preferable.
Post by memphis1979 on Mar 14, 2013 6:34:05 GMT -5
Y'all can't seriously think that Democrats serve some higher purpose in Washington.
Personally I'm socially liberal, and conservative economically. I think there are things we can do better regardless of how popular they are, and by better I mean cheaper.
Generally, that's what most Americans think. Poll after poll, 70% of Americans, republicans and democrats want 4 things.
1. Save social security with few, if any, cuts in benefits 2. Save Medicare with few, if any, cuts in benefits 3. Cut defense as much as is feasible to pay for the first two 4. Raise taxes on people making 500000 a year to make up the difference.
So, is that so hard? Apparently so with our current military industrial complex. We account for over half if defense spending in the world. Our defense spending is 4 times more then China. If you count our allies, we account for nearly 75% of world wide military spending. Our defense budget grows every year. Sequester? That's a joke, it was a cut in the rate if growth, not an actual cut, and both parties screamed bloody murder about it.
All while we have people at home struggling to get by wile paying 50 dollars a week on federal taxes, excluding social security, Medicare, and income tax with holdings.
We are over taxes to pay for European defense against an enemy who is no longer there. And while people seem to understand it, they get side tracked with things like equal rights, equal pay, immigration, etc.
Wake up. The constitution shouldn't form society. In a free country, bigots will exist, and bib have to learn to deal with them despite law. You're worried about someone calling you names while you allow a rich elite group of democrats and republicans rape you financially, all while keeping a smile on your face.
Stay out of my bedroom, stay out of my house, pay for services a majority of Americans support, and tax as little as is needed to do that.
Remember that whole death panel outrage? Well, the lady who coined that phrase (and was all over Fox News to make sure you heard about it) had a book signing today.
Post by thekingofcosmania on Mar 14, 2013 20:14:16 GMT -5
After just skimming through this thread for the first time would it be overly assumptive of me to draw a conclusion that this forum mostly consists of liberals, or at least people who tend to lean far left on social issues? I like to get along with people when I'm at Bonnaroo and focus on what we have in common, so I don't make it a point to enter political discussion with anyone while I'm on the farm. But I am wondering, is it dumb of me to even ask if a music festival is made up of a majority of liberal leaning people? The answer is probably yes, but I'm wondering how many others there are out there like me who lean to the right on issues where it would be unpopular amongst the demographic to do so. For instance, I lean to the right on the issue of gay marriage and gun control. However, I lean to the left on corn legalization and the death penalty. I refuse to identify myself as either a Republican or Democrat, but I will quickly identify myself as one of the "Ron Paul people." Another question I wanted to ask is whether those in support of gay marriage would not want to associate with someone (at Bonnaroo) who is against the idea of gay marriage if they knew that person had that stance. That issue seems to be such a powder keg these days where people will simply write others off completely if they disagree. This is why I stay far away from politics at Bonnaroo. I like for us all to just be able to get along for one weekend of the year if possible. In that case, the less known the better.
Sorry, this post was kind of all over the place. That stuff just went through my head due to entering this thread for the first time.
After just skimming through this thread for the first time would it be overly assumptive of me to draw a conclusion that this forum mostly consists of liberals, or at least people who tend to lean far left on social issues? I like to get along with people when I'm at Bonnaroo and focus on what we have in common, so I don't make it a point to enter political discussion with anyone while I'm on the farm. But I am wondering, is it dumb of me to even ask if a music festival is made up of a majority of liberal leaning people? The answer is probably yes, but I'm wondering how many others there are out there like me who lean to the right on issues where it would be unpopular amongst the demographic to do so. For instance, I lean to the right on the issue of gay marriage and gun control. However, I lean to the left on corn legalization and the death penalty. I refuse to identify myself as either a Republican or Democrat, but I will quickly identify myself as one of the "Ron Paul people." Another question I wanted to ask is whether those in support of gay marriage would not want to associate with someone (at Bonnaroo) who is against the idea of gay marriage if they knew that person had that stance. That issue seems to be such a powder keg these days where people will simply write others off completely if they disagree. This is why I stay far away from politics at Bonnaroo. I like for us all to just be able to get along for one weekend of the year if possible. In that case, the less known the better.
Sorry, this post was kind of all over the place. That stuff just went through my head due to entering this thread for the first time.
I support the rights for anyone to get married. Honestly, I don't feel the federal government, or states for that matter, should honor marriage as anything sacred or a difference between people. Get married at a church or down the street from a hobo, shouldn't matter to anyone else.
But I'd still party with you, differences is what makes things intersteing, I doubt seriously we would be talking about marriage at roo anyway
If someone brought up politics at Bonnaroo - or really any festival or concert - I'd quickly change the subject, even if we were in complete agreement.
After just skimming through this thread for the first time would it be overly assumptive of me to draw a conclusion that this forum mostly consists of liberals, or at least people who tend to lean far left on social issues? I like to get along with people when I'm at Bonnaroo and focus on what we have in common, so I don't make it a point to enter political discussion with anyone while I'm on the farm. But I am wondering, is it dumb of me to even ask if a music festival is made up of a majority of liberal leaning people? The answer is probably yes, but I'm wondering how many others there are out there like me who lean to the right on issues where it would be unpopular amongst the demographic to do so. For instance, I lean to the right on the issue of gay marriage and gun control. However, I lean to the left on corn legalization and the death penalty. I refuse to identify myself as either a Republican or Democrat, but I will quickly identify myself as one of the "Ron Paul people." Another question I wanted to ask is whether those in support of gay marriage would not want to associate with someone (at Bonnaroo) who is against the idea of gay marriage if they knew that person had that stance. That issue seems to be such a powder keg these days where people will simply write others off completely if they disagree. This is why I stay far away from politics at Bonnaroo. I like for us all to just be able to get along for one weekend of the year if possible. In that case, the less known the better.
Sorry, this post was kind of all over the place. That stuff just went through my head due to entering this thread for the first time.
I wouldn't admit to anyone that you are against equal marriage rights for all citizens.
After just skimming through this thread for the first time would it be overly assumptive of me to draw a conclusion that this forum mostly consists of liberals, or at least people who tend to lean far left on social issues? I like to get along with people when I'm at Bonnaroo and focus on what we have in common, so I don't make it a point to enter political discussion with anyone while I'm on the farm. But I am wondering, is it dumb of me to even ask if a music festival is made up of a majority of liberal leaning people? The answer is probably yes, but I'm wondering how many others there are out there like me who lean to the right on issues where it would be unpopular amongst the demographic to do so. For instance, I lean to the right on the issue of gay marriage and gun control. However, I lean to the left on corn legalization and the death penalty. I refuse to identify myself as either a Republican or Democrat, but I will quickly identify myself as one of the "Ron Paul people." Another question I wanted to ask is whether those in support of gay marriage would not want to associate with someone (at Bonnaroo) who is against the idea of gay marriage if they knew that person had that stance. That issue seems to be such a powder keg these days where people will simply write others off completely if they disagree. This is why I stay far away from politics at Bonnaroo. I like for us all to just be able to get along for one weekend of the year if possible. In that case, the less known the better.
Sorry, this post was kind of all over the place. That stuff just went through my head due to entering this thread for the first time.
I'd like to be mature and say how I'd still hang with you and we'd have a great time but I really know myself better than that. I'd think you were a bigoted weenie. Now you might not be but I have a hard enough time with people my age (mid forties) and in my region (South) telling me "it's not a federal thing it should be decided by the states" There are some states down here that would still have segregated schools if it were up to them to decide. BTW, I've been married for 21 years and simply see "gay marriage" as a civil rights issue.
After just skimming through this thread for the first time would it be overly assumptive of me to draw a conclusion that this forum mostly consists of liberals, or at least people who tend to lean far left on social issues?
But I am wondering, is it dumb of me to even ask if a music festival is made up of a majority of liberal leaning people?
Not wrong to ask. Of course. It's a music festival. It does not cater to a crowd which represents an accurate representation of the American electorate. Bonnaroo's roots are a hell of a lot more hippie than the first-time attendee would gather nowadays. It appeals to a younger crowd, and that includes some Democratic and/or liberal leanings in general. That's just inherent in the demographics in it.
I know I've worn my Stand With Wisconsin shirt (matching my avatar) to both Coachella & Bonnaroo, and it definitely received a warmer response at Bonnaroo than it did at Coachella. (Maybe Coachella just leans apathetic?) But also consider that over in Planet Roo, there's that strip of Centeroo, I'm not sure what it's actually called but I refer to it as "Activist Alley" with all the political/environmental booths and such. I think the booths you see over there also are indicative of left leanings. Oh well.
I like to get along with people when I'm at Bonnaroo and focus on what we have in common, so I don't make it a point to enter political discussion with anyone while I'm on the farm. . . . The answer is probably yes, but I'm wondering how many others there are out there like me who lean to the right on issues where it would be unpopular amongst the demographic to do so.
I might be known for going off on the occasional rant (ask anyone here) but I'll enter into a good deal of any of those conversations... if someone else opens the door first. I can have a beer or a nom with people even if I don't think they're right on most things.
For instance, I lean to the right on the issue of gay marriage and gun control. However, I lean to the left on corn legalization and the death penalty. I refuse to identify myself as either a Republican or Democrat, but I will quickly identify myself as one of the "Ron Paul people."
Sure the word you're not looking for is Libertarian? That might have better connotations. Side story: Every year since 2006, I've shared a campsite with a college buddy who was big into the Libertarian Party. He would fly the Gadsden flag ("Don't Tread On Me") over our campsite every year those first few years we went... but he stopped doing it after the Tea Party came around, said he didn't want to be associated with them. His choice, but I'm a Democrat who was fine with letting him fly it when he wanted to.
Another question I wanted to ask is whether those in support of gay marriage would not want to associate with someone (at Bonnaroo) who is against the idea of gay marriage if they knew that person had that stance. That issue seems to be such a powder keg these days where people will simply write others off completely if they disagree. This is why I stay far away from politics at Bonnaroo. I like for us all to just be able to get along for one weekend of the year if possible. In that case, the less known the better.
Some disagreements on issues are more egregious than others.
Way I see it, marriage is a contract between individuals. If atheist heterosexuals can marry, there's no religious exclusivity to the contract. As such, said contract need not conform to any particular religious proscription. As long as consenting adult citizens want to enter into that contract, they should be free to do so. Created equal, right? Equal protection, right? I'm not of the belief that gay marriage would undermine heterosexual marriage one bit. Heterosexuals have done plenty to do that themselves.
I don't think being born a homosexual (or whatever) is really much different than being the green-eyed child of brown- and blue-eyed parents. I don't think it's exactly a choice or a decision one makes. I know I don't judge them any different because of it. I don't think the law is in a position to, either. Hope something gets done about that in my lifetime.
Gay people have been my friends, teachers, coworkers, classmates, rock stars and (now) Senators over the course of my life. In college, I had male and female friends alike stick their fingers in my face and make me sniff to brag about getting some. I think they're as fine a people as any of the rest of us. I have no problem considering them my equals. I've been setting up camp at Bonnaroo with a gay college buddy and his boyfriend since 2007, and I'm going to miss them this year.
I haven't heard your argument against it, so I don't know if you're stepping into a powder keg. There are different ways you can approach it. Some might make a calm, reasoned argument invoking states' rights and such. Some might compare it to marrying a turtle or a grandfather clock, which I think is dehumanizing because we're talking about people here. Some might just smack you upside the head and call you "a burning bundle of sticks" like some of the kids in my high school did because... I don't even know why? I'm not even gay, but apparently being friends with kids who were earns you that? So much of it depends on one's approach and argument that it's a case-by-case situation. Think about the difference between a pro-lifer claiming "right to life" in discussion versus a pro-lifer waving a dead fetus picture in your face. Different actions sow different reactions. Not to mention the fact that hot-button social issues like the one you singled out have more potential to be inflammatory than say, discussing economic or foreign policy issues could be.
What many consider "hot-button social issues" like this, I actually consider to be unproductive, energy-expending, misdirected uses of energy which distract and detract from dealing with more relevant and urgent matters... the actual stuff the ship of state will sink or swim over.
Don't like gay marriage? Then don't get one. End of story.
TL;DR: Gay is OK, I feel they were created equal, and they should be treated as such by the law.
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