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And LD, I wouldn't be so sure that the Jets don't give the Pats a game in 2 weeks. Keep writing them off, that's what happened this week and they almost stole a game against the Texans.
What about the patriots, exactly, makes them not the team to beat in the AFC? They've improved both offensively and defensively from last year, when they came awfully close to winning the super bowl. The only place where they've gotten worse is the o-line, and that's improving weekly under a very talented coach. Oh yeah, and there's a running game now.
And LD, I wouldn't be so sure that the Jets don't give the Pats a game in 2 weeks. Keep writing them off, that's what happened this week and they almost stole a game against the Texans.
What about the patriots, exactly, makes them not the team to beat in the AFC? They've improved both offensively and defensively from last year, when they came awfully close to winning the super bowl. The only place where they've gotten worse is the o-line, and that's improving weekly under a very talented coach. Oh yeah, and there's a running game now.
They're two plays away from being 5-0.
But they're 3-2. If you'd like to revisit this discussion after the Pats run off some more wins and the Texans lose a few, sure, but right now Texans are the best team in the AFC, and I don't know anyone outside of Pats fans that would even think to debate this. Especially since the #2 team is the Ravens, who beat the Pats.
But they're 3-2. If you'd like to revisit this discussion after the Pats run off some more wins and the Texans lose a few, sure, but right now Texans are the best team in the AFC, and I don't know anyone outside of Pats fans that would even think to debate this. Especially since the #2 team is the Ravens, who beat the Pats.
The patriots would beat the ravens or the texans if they played next week.
That ravens game was a joke, 30+ penalties called. The patriots committed 1 (one) penalty the next week, with real refs. I guess you haven't watched the games and are just basing your opinions on wins and losses?
I like the Pats; and in this years NFL any team can be beaten. There is no runaway juggernaut, but you definitely have to say Houston looks like the most rounded team in the NFL.
The patriots would beat the ravens or the texans if they played next week.
That ravens game was a joke, 30+ penalties called. The patriots committed 1 (one) penalty the next week, with real refs. I guess you haven't watched the games and are just basing your opinions on wins and losses?
I've watched most of every Pats game this year, I know all about them, I know that they have Brandon Bolden who is basically a clone of Ridley. I know that Nate Solder is a huge donkey with stiff hips who struggles with speed rushers. I know as much about the Pats as most Pats fans, tbh.
Bill Parcells always said "you are what your record says you are." And right now the Pats are 3-2, one game ahead of the Jets and Billdos, and behind 5-0 Houston and 4-1 Baltimore.
Baltimore had those same replacement refs, but they won. They're ahead of the Pats right now, I don't know how that is even debatable.
Bill Parcells always said "you are what your record says you are." And right now the Pats are 3-2, one game ahead of the Jets and Billdos, and behind 5-0 Houston and 4-1 Baltimore.
Bill Parcells is a donkey.
Baltimore had those same replacement refs, but they won.
This is a stupid argument and you know it.
They're ahead of the Pats right now, I don't know how that is even debatable.
No, they're not. They barely edged out the pats at home (Supposed to have one of the best home field advantages in the nfl) with absolutely terrible officiating, and then went on to look absolutely terrible against the chiefs.
As for the texans, yes, they look good. They're maybe even with the patriots. Beat common opponents (Denver, Tennessee) by similar scores, and have had a cake schedule otherwise. Let's see what happens when they actually face a challenge.
The patriots would beat the ravens or the texans if they played next week.
That ravens game was a joke, 30+ penalties called. The patriots committed 1 (one) penalty the next week, with real refs. I guess you haven't watched the games and are just basing your opinions on wins and losses?
I've watched most of every Pats game this year, I know all about them, I know that they have Brandon Bolden who is basically a clone of Ridley. I know that Nate Solder is a huge donkey with stiff hips who struggles with speed rushers. I know as much about the Pats as most Pats fans, tbh.
Bill Parcells always said "you are what your record says you are." And right now the Pats are 3-2, one game ahead of the Jets and Billdos, and behind 5-0 Houston and 4-1 Baltimore.
Baltimore had those same replacement refs, but they won. They're ahead of the Pats right now, I don't know how that is even debatable.
No team with Joe Flacco will ever be better than any team with Tom Brady.
True or False: There are two teams ahead of the Pats in terms of record, one of which beat the Pats head-to-head.
You are being incredibly unreasonable with this stance of yours. The Pats lost to Kevin Kolb at home.
What's arizona's record, smart guy?
4-1. But we're not talking NFC teams, smart guy. My comment that you have an issue with is that the Pats are not the best team in the AFC. Citing an NFC team's record does...what, for that?
Baltimore's loss came against a first place team as well and Houston hasn't lost yet.
You said the patriots lost to kevin kolb, dismissing the cardinals loss as a bad loss. But, the cardinals are clearly a (Very!) good team based on your win-loss system. What aren't you getting about your own silly, sang-like argument?
You said the patriots lost to kevin kolb, dismissing the cardinals loss as a bad loss. But, the cardinals are clearly a (Very!) good team based on your win-loss system. What aren't you getting about your own silly, sang-like argument?
My comment about losing to Kevin Kolb was a joke, since Kevin Kolb clearly sucks.
Arizona has one of the 3 best defenses in the league and when they handcuff Kolb to prevent his Sanchez-like turnover prowess, they are a very good team and difficult to beat, I am not disputing that. The loss itself isn't bad, the fact that Kolb was the QB makes it okay to make Pats/Kolb jokes.
Hopefully Skelton is starting again by the time Arizona comes to the Meadowlands, wouldn't want that vaunted Kolb-led offense to run up the score on my boys.
Stop the "real refs" nonsense. You ran a pick play on Sunday that was 100000% a penalty that the real refs didn't call.
Nonsense? Those games with replacement refs were an atrocity, and it's not even all about blown calls, it's about the flow of the game.
The only argument with any real substance that you've managed to offer is that nate solder struggles with speed rushers.
You'd have a point if the Pats had a different set of refs than their opponents those first 3 weeks. But they didn't. Every team dealt with that same ineptitude.
What you're doing is making an excuse for losing two games rather than saying "the Cards beat us physically" (which happened) and "Flacco outplayed Brady, and that was the difference" (which it was).
And because you deem a sound argument (that the Pats are not better than two teams picked to be elite during preseason that have lost a game between the two of them) wrong, it's wrong? Sure, whatever you need to say in order to feel better about only being 1 game up on the poops Jets/Billdos duel threat.
Post by Homer J. Fong on Oct 9, 2012 12:56:29 GMT -5
All this talk about who is best in the AFC is foolish, because the AFC is a joke and will get stomped the f*ck out by the NFC all year long.
Also, the NFC West is the best division in football.
Finally, the Patriots are going to lose to the Seahawks this week. People are somehow ignoring the fact that the Pats are crumbling against elite defenses, or at least the only good defense they've seen (the Cards). Note I said "elite" - the Ravens are not an elite defense, nor have they been for several years. They live off reputation.
Tom Brady will be throwing off the back of his ass after Irvin and Clemons get after him, and at least two of those throws will find their way into the hands of either Sherman, Browner, Thomas or Chancellor.
I am not joking. It won't be pretty, but I think you're looking at something like a 20-17 Seattle win.
You'd have a point if the Pats had a different set of refs than their opponents those first 3 weeks. But they didn't. Every team dealt with that same ineptitude.
What you're doing is making an excuse for losing two games rather than saying "the Cards beat us physically" (which happened) and "Flacco outplayed Brady, and that was the difference" (which it was).
I'm not making excuses, I'm pointing out how maybe wins and losses aren't the conclusive way to rank a team you think they are. And saying flacco outplayed brady is a joke. Put flacco against the ravens D and brady against the pats D and see who outplays who.
And because you deem a sound argument (that the Pats are not better than two teams picked to be elite during preseason that have lost a game between the two of them) wrong, it's wrong?
You deem it sound so it's sound? I'm the only one looking beyond wins and losses at what actually happened.
Sure, whatever you need to say in order to feel better about only being 1 game up on the poops Jets/Billdos duel threat.
All this talk about who is best in the AFC is foolish, because the AFC is a joke and will get stomped the f*ck out by the NFC all year long.
Also, the NFC West is the best division in football.
Finally, the Patriots are going to lose to the Seahawks this week. People are somehow ignoring the fact that the Pats are crumbling against elite defenses, or at least the only good defense they've seen (the Cards). Note I said "elite" - the Ravens are not an elite defense, nor have they been for several years. They live off reputation.
Tom Brady will be throwing off the back of his ass after Irvin and Clemons get after him, and at least two of those throws will find their way into the hands of either Sherman, Browner, Thomas or Chancellor.
I am not joking. It won't be pretty, but I think you're looking at something like a 20-17 Seattle win.
I understand that you want to be optimistic. That's terrific. And the Patriots may win, sure. But at least be somewhat realistic here - they aren't scoring 28 points on Seattle, at home. 28 points is 4 touchdowns. For reference, Seattle has allowed 4 offensive touchdowns ALL YEAR.
