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There was a Monsanto action yesterday in Connecticut, and another one in a couple weeks in Mass. Barry's one of the people organizing the Mass one.
Another guy I know got snatch and grabbed last night by NYPD. Mark from Occupy New Hampshire - Manchester was arrested. He posted on Facebook very late last night:
I was arrested in NYC during an Occupy march this evening. NYPD was randomly grabbing people 3-5 at a time throughout the march. My buddy Carl Gibson got snatched up from his backpack and dragged away as he held out his arms and looked at me plaintively, "Mark!". I reached out and grabbed his hands but was instantly choked and arrested.
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There was a Monsanto action yesterday in Connecticut, and another one in a couple weeks in Mass. Barry's one of the people organizing the Mass one.
Another guy I know got snatch and grabbed last night by NYPD. Mark from Occupy New Hampshire - Manchester was arrested. He posted on Facebook very late last night:
I was arrested in NYC during an Occupy march this evening. NYPD was randomly grabbing people 3-5 at a time throughout the march. My buddy Carl Gibson got snatched up from his backpack and dragged away as he held out his arms and looked at me plaintively, "Mark!". I reached out and grabbed his hands but was instantly choked and arrested.
I don't get what forming a human wall around the NYSE will do. A) about 20% of the people that worked there 12 months ago still work there, B) it's working-class people that work there, C) no major investment banks have any real presence there anymore (digital markets) and D) Charlotte is the "secret capital" of American finance.
There are more investment banks who have their home office in Jersey City than in lower Manhattan, fyi.
Post by Lowerdeck on Sept 17, 2012 10:46:07 GMT -5
I didn't choose that, I can't explain the thought process behind human wall. Not that it ever happened anyway. Cops are all over, blocked off Wall St anyway.
Its been basically groups giving a run around in the financial district. Its way less organized than Mayday or the DNC stuff, but maybe due to the fact I've been on the periphery most of the morning.
Wall St and the stock exchange my best guess is symbolism. Yes the system is spread out to places like CLT and JC, but everyone thinks here is the epicenter of corporate and banking evil.
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I didn't choose that, I can't explain the thought process behind human wall. Not that it ever happened anyway. Cops are all over, blocked off Wall St anyway.
Its been basically groups giving a run around in the financial district. Its way less organized than Mayday or the DNC stuff, but maybe due to the fact I've been on the periphery most of the morning.
Wall St and the stock exchange my best guess is symbolism. Yes the system is spread out to places like CLT and JC, but everyone thinks here is the epicenter of corporate and banking evil.
That post wasn't directed at you in particular, just the events. And what you described is what I expected. I suspect you have a lot of people not nearly as involved or knowledgeable as LD down there taking part in the latest "cool thing" to do.
And I understand the idea behind wanting people to see the symbol of greed, but that means the actual greedy scum that should be impacted by these protests aren't, but normal people are. A year ago I said my biggest issue with Occupy was a lack of singular leadership, and that factions coming together for big events wouldn't last.
Sadly, while I like some of the ideals behind the movement, I haven't seen much growth in this regard.
LD, I admire your commitment to this cause, and wish more people would a) take it seriously, b) listen to the platform with an open mind, but most of all I wish that the movement would do itself a favor and connect. I dunno, I realize there's a website and all, but countries in the Middle East were able to stage country-wide protests and uprisings with the gov't intentionally collapsing social media platforms for the nation, OWS can't organize protests to mark their one-year anniversary? It just doesn't seem very organized to me, I guess.
Sadly, while I like some of the ideals behind the movement, I haven't seen much growth in this regard.
LD, you've dedicated the last year of your life to this cause. I haven't followed it closely enough to discern what measurable results this has had. So tell me: besides people getting arrested (which can have negative fiscal repercussions solely to themselves, not to the establishment against which they protest) and the media coverage of Occupy events, how has this movement altered the country's political landscape?
The only things I can see are:
1. Increased mainstream cognizance of the terms "1%" and "99%" 2. Increased collective hatred toward concentrated wealth-holders 3. Perpetuated a "all banks & corporations are bad" mentality
But how have those things POSITIVELY IMPROVED the political landscape? From your perspective, as someone who's been entrenched in the movement, how has ANY of this has been worthwhile? Have any corporate policies changed? Have unions successfully negotiated better contracts for their members? Has this been a game-changer for the labor movement in any way at all?
A year later, how has this movement effected positive change? I'm genuinely interested, because from my perspective, I'm simply not seeing it.
Post by Lowerdeck on Sept 17, 2012 18:07:54 GMT -5
I'll answer that when I get more time. And remember.
But, I'm leaving New York now for Connecticut. Today was an experience. And I didn't get caught up in anything. Though it was getting real bad with NYPD brutalizing people. Just picking people off all weekend, throwing them around, and arresting them.
Edit: journalists, photographers, and live streamers were targets most of the day. Several were arrested, plus a legal observer for the Natl Lawyers Guild. The NYPD is so outlandish in their behavior that they resort to this to cover their tracks. A photographer for Ch. 11 was picked up, as was a reporter for the HuffPo. Those where the ones I remember seeing on Twitter.
Quack Bloomberg, Quack Ray Kelly, and Quack these scumbags protecting the criminals. Chase alone paid off the NYPD 4.6 million last year, a bribe if you will.
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I dont understand why the occupy movement blames the banking industry. We all know it was our own govt whom relaxed all the laws which enabled the banks to do what they did. If our govt allowed us to grow and smoke kind green there would be an emediate response which would hurt the dispenseries and the street dealers because alot of this population would grow there own. would the occupy movement be as angry with all of those responsable for putting all those people out of work?
I dont understand why the occupy movement blames the banking industry. We all know it was our own govt whom relaxed all the laws which enabled the banks to do what they did. If our govt allowed us to grow and smoke kind green there would be an emediate response which would hurt the dispenseries and the street dealers because alot of this population would grow there own. would the occupy movement be as angry with all of those responsable for putting all those people out of work?
I dont understand why the occupy movement blames the banking industry. We all know it was our own govt whom relaxed all the laws which enabled the banks to do what they did. If our govt allowed us to grow and smoke kind green there would be an emediate response which would hurt the dispenseries and the street dealers because alot of this population would grow there own. would the occupy movement be as angry with all of those responsable for putting all those people out of work?
Well, the first two sentences made sense, which is a marked improvement over most of Arlene's posts.
It kind of makes sense, I guess, but I think anyone with any sense knows it's both Wall St. campaign support, etc. and the Government that are responsible for deregulation. Not to mention the revolving door of Wall St. executives that end up working at the SEC, which is such a obvious conflict of interest it's almost comical.
^^^^ And this is simplifying the relationship between the two in a large way but I guess Arlene's worry about the corn industry is a good comparison because, quack it, why not?
Arlene, are you still a dude using your wife's account?
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I dont understand why the occupy movement blames the banking industry. We all know it was our own govt whom relaxed all the laws which enabled the banks to do what they did. If our govt allowed us to grow and smoke kind green there would be an emediate response which would hurt the dispenseries and the street dealers because alot of this population would grow there own. would the occupy movement be as angry with all of those responsable for putting all those people out of work?
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Mar 15 Jim James (Austin)
Apr 26 Jim James (Boston)
May 4 Clutch & The Sword (Portland ME)
Jun 8 DMB (Hartford)
Jun 21 Jim James (Northampton MA)
Jul 27-28 Newport Folk
Aug 6 Death Grips (Boston)
Oct 25-27 MOEMS
Our govt relaxed laws making the banking industry able to sell a dream and collect big . Our govt also allows the NYC police dept to stop and frisk even though its a clear violation of our rights. That very same govt traded druqs for guns in the eightys. So my point is blaming the banking industry for taking advantage of the people is wrong the movement should be taking issue with the govt.
You really want to break wall street dont buy anything you cant trace to come into exsistance more than 50 miles from your house. Grow your own food . Buy all your fruit , dairy , meats local wall street cannot compete with that .
You really want to break wall street dont buy anything you cant trace to come into exsistance more than 50 miles from your house. Grow your own food . Buy all your fruit , dairy , meats local wall street cannot compete with that .
Where should the multiple millions of people who live in New York City grow their own food? The bathtub?
You really want to break wall street dont buy anything you cant trace to come into exsistance more than 50 miles from your house. Grow your own food . Buy all your fruit , dairy , meats local wall street cannot compete with that .
You really really just don't get it. That's fine but don't be surprised when people don't take you serious. Especially when you go out of your way to show you don't know what you are talking about.
Clearly you people havent heard of roof top gardening or hydroponics . Lots of product produced from a little space.
You really nailed us there. I'm sure the rooftops of NYC have plenty enough space to grow food for 8.4 million people.
And I'm not sure how many people have enough apartment space to have a hydroponic garden but I'm going to make a random guess and say not very many at all.
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Sure, hopefully we'll see that one day, but to do it on a level that will benefit a large number of the population you would need involvement from both the local government and the private sector but he was specking on a personal level. Or at least he seemed to be. I can never tell.
Yeah, I'm just saying Arlene's not totally off-base. Local sustainability only helps the cause.
My brother actually wrote a graduate thesis on this, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's not really feasible for NYC, but if they perfect vertical farming technologies that's a different story.
Yeah, I'm just saying Arlene's not totally off-base. Local sustainability only helps the cause.
My brother actually wrote a graduate thesis on this, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's not really feasible for NYC, but if they perfect vertical farming technologies that's a different story.
When I was reading the article on Chicago, I started thinking about all those old tank factories along the bay in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Those would be a great place for indoor farms. At least to supply that area.
I could see NYC making steps like that. Old factories out in the boroughs in areas were no gentrification is going on or isn't feasible. I could see some stuff like that being a good first step for NYC. I can't think of much you could do in Manhattan at all. Rooftop gardens wouldn't even support half the people in the buildings most of the time.
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Yeah, I'm just saying Arlene's not totally off-base. Local sustainability only helps the cause.
I'm all for local sustainability but like you said, "baby steps." We are a good ways from it being a reality and you can bet those opposed won't go down without a fight.
Edit: Stop freezing up while I'm typing you POS computer.
Last Edit: Sept 19, 2012 0:32:33 GMT -5 by superfurryanimal - Back to Top
My brother actually wrote a graduate thesis on this, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's not really feasible for NYC, but if they perfect vertical farming technologies that's a different story.
When I was reading the article on Chicago, I started thinking about all those old tank factories along the bay in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Those would be a great place for indoor farms. At least to supply that area.
I could see NYC making steps like that. Old factories out in the boroughs in areas were no gentrification is going on or isn't feasible. I could see some stuff like that being a good first step for NYC. I can't think of much you could do in Manhattan at all. Rooftop gardens wouldn't even support half the people in the buildings most of the time.
I actually have been looking at getting some certifications that would allow me to work on projects like this. Manhattan has one shot, and that's vertical farming (essentially "produce skyscrapers" that are used solely to house produce.
I've actually read articles about turning factories and such into farms, and would be very interested to see what a financing plan for that sort of project would look like, I'd imagine it's incredibly expensive, but also something you could probably raise funding for.
If Obama is reelected I think this is something that will receive a lot of attention in the next four years, it won't see the light of day under Mitt. My brother is a rampant conservative and HATES Obama, and he's voting for Obama based strictly off Mitt's "reprehensible" (my brother's word) energy policy.
