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Post by arlenefavreau1 on Sept 18, 2012 20:32:02 GMT -5
You really want to break wall street dont buy anything you cant trace to come into exsistance more than 50 miles from your house. Grow your own food . Buy all your fruit , dairy , meats local wall street cannot compete with that .
You really want to break wall street dont buy anything you cant trace to come into exsistance more than 50 miles from your house. Grow your own food . Buy all your fruit , dairy , meats local wall street cannot compete with that .
Where should the multiple millions of people who live in New York City grow their own food? The bathtub?
You really want to break wall street dont buy anything you cant trace to come into exsistance more than 50 miles from your house. Grow your own food . Buy all your fruit , dairy , meats local wall street cannot compete with that .
You really really just don't get it. That's fine but don't be surprised when people don't take you serious. Especially when you go out of your way to show you don't know what you are talking about.
Clearly you people havent heard of roof top gardening or hydroponics . Lots of product produced from a little space.
You really nailed us there. I'm sure the rooftops of NYC have plenty enough space to grow food for 8.4 million people.
And I'm not sure how many people have enough apartment space to have a hydroponic garden but I'm going to make a random guess and say not very many at all.
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Sure, hopefully we'll see that one day, but to do it on a level that will benefit a large number of the population you would need involvement from both the local government and the private sector but he was specking on a personal level. Or at least he seemed to be. I can never tell.
Yeah, I'm just saying Arlene's not totally off-base. Local sustainability only helps the cause.
My brother actually wrote a graduate thesis on this, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's not really feasible for NYC, but if they perfect vertical farming technologies that's a different story.
Yeah, I'm just saying Arlene's not totally off-base. Local sustainability only helps the cause.
My brother actually wrote a graduate thesis on this, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's not really feasible for NYC, but if they perfect vertical farming technologies that's a different story.
When I was reading the article on Chicago, I started thinking about all those old tank factories along the bay in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Those would be a great place for indoor farms. At least to supply that area.
I could see NYC making steps like that. Old factories out in the boroughs in areas were no gentrification is going on or isn't feasible. I could see some stuff like that being a good first step for NYC. I can't think of much you could do in Manhattan at all. Rooftop gardens wouldn't even support half the people in the buildings most of the time.
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Yeah, I'm just saying Arlene's not totally off-base. Local sustainability only helps the cause.
I'm all for local sustainability but like you said, "baby steps." We are a good ways from it being a reality and you can bet those opposed won't go down without a fight.
Edit: Stop freezing up while I'm typing you POS computer.
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My brother actually wrote a graduate thesis on this, it's pretty fascinating stuff. It's not really feasible for NYC, but if they perfect vertical farming technologies that's a different story.
When I was reading the article on Chicago, I started thinking about all those old tank factories along the bay in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Those would be a great place for indoor farms. At least to supply that area.
I could see NYC making steps like that. Old factories out in the boroughs in areas were no gentrification is going on or isn't feasible. I could see some stuff like that being a good first step for NYC. I can't think of much you could do in Manhattan at all. Rooftop gardens wouldn't even support half the people in the buildings most of the time.
I actually have been looking at getting some certifications that would allow me to work on projects like this. Manhattan has one shot, and that's vertical farming (essentially "produce skyscrapers" that are used solely to house produce.
I've actually read articles about turning factories and such into farms, and would be very interested to see what a financing plan for that sort of project would look like, I'd imagine it's incredibly expensive, but also something you could probably raise funding for.
If Obama is reelected I think this is something that will receive a lot of attention in the next four years, it won't see the light of day under Mitt. My brother is a rampant conservative and HATES Obama, and he's voting for Obama based strictly off Mitt's "reprehensible" (my brother's word) energy policy.
I have to applaud Holls for asking some questions up there. I'd like to see more of a response, since I'm more in her boat than Occupy's about this.
Here in Wisconsin, we like to think we Occupied before Occupy was cool. We've got mutual villains in the two movements, some similar aims...
We put fifteen elections on the ballot which otherwise wouldn't have happened, not necessarily taking out the big puppet but managing to retake the state senate for a check & balance against him. Our delegations at both parties' national conventions pretty much had front row seats, and Romney picked a Wisconsinite as his running mate. We've got the same group of diehards holding the Solidarity SingAlong in the capitol every weekday, who never stopped, who are still getting arrested.
We didn't win outright, but we've made some gains and we're still at it... so I have to get Holls' back here:
Why the hell hasn't Occupy actually done anything other than introduce a percentage-based catch phrase to the cultural lingo?
I'm not asking because I dislike you. I ask because y'all disappoint me.
Sincerely, A guy who held a sign reading "Reaganomics failed! We can tax the top 2% again!" at a state budget protest, in a movement which produced some tangible change, six months before Occupy was a thing.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Sept 19, 2012 16:34:10 GMT -5
A 17" by 29" space lit by a 250 hps has produced enough tomatoes for two familys for two years. This eliminated total buying of spaghetti sauce and tomatoe sauce . This is 17" deep 29" wide and the plants grow 4' tall 4 plants total. power used is less than a microwave oven.
A 17" by 29" space lit by a 250 hps has produced enough tomatoes for two familys for two years. This eliminated total buying of spaghetti sauce and tomatoe sauce . This is 17" deep 29" wide and the plants grow 4' tall 4 plants total. power used is less than a microwave oven.
Also there is a farmers market in NYC as well as a huge fresh sea food market. Been to both. Has any one else ?
I go to farmer's markets every week, they're great and the fruit/vegetables are so much fresher than something you get in a grocery store. Those farms aren't located in the city, though, and while there are more than 200, I think, it's still not enough to feed the entire city.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Sept 19, 2012 19:02:22 GMT -5
A wide range of fruits and vegitables can be grown in small spaces. All it takes is imagination and effort and you can grow any amount of any vegatable anywhere you want . I'm willing to bet alot of places have a basement instead of dead storage space you could use it for indoor gardening. I know there are stables in NYC where you could raise a calf . If you were to split the cost with another family you can raise a calf to a 500lb cow in less than a six month period.
A wide range of fruits and vegitables can be grown in small spaces. All it takes is imagination and effort and you can grow any amount of any vegatable anywhere you want . I'm willing to bet alot of places have a basement instead of dead storage space you could use it for indoor gardening. I know there are stables in NYC where you could raise a calf . If you were to split the cost with another family you can raise a calf to a 500lb cow in less than a six month period.
Basements in NYC are used for either a living space or a machine room.
And I have to admit, I am not aware of a place where I can timeshare a cow, do you have a website or something for that?
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Sept 19, 2012 20:03:09 GMT -5
And you would'nt be timeshareing you'd be renting stable space for the sole purpose of paying alot less for food of much higher quality than any store will ever provide .
And you would'nt be timeshareing you'd be renting stable space for the sole purpose of paying alot less for food of much higher quality than any store will ever provide .
aaaannnnnddd this thread now confuses me more than the Mafia thread.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Sept 19, 2012 20:20:08 GMT -5
What exactly is it about producing your own food and not buying it from a national super market chain do you find confuseing? After all isnt the occupy movement all about busting corperate greed? What better way to bust them than not buy there products.