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i post on another big forum. and on that forum, discussing any moderations issues at all on the boards is prohibited and itself result in a ban. i always thought it was stupid. now i see why its not. this thread is bonkers.
Post by Funky Munky on Mar 5, 2012 19:51:41 GMT -5
You guys are clearly doing an amazing job, I think people are just asking for an appeal. Oddly, I'm not sure why it feels right to stick up for the guy a bit. It is kind of a double standard, he's done some trollish crap, but he's been a good contributor as well. I feel like he's the class clown. He annoys the crap out of you when he's around but you really miss the fun when he's gone. You guys can't really make a "wrong" decision either way. I do think it would be a good idea for you to let the community know when you've finalized your decision and provide a brief note that outlines the cumulative things that it took to get banned, including the main thing. Seriously, thanks for all of your hard work, I have no idea how you find the time to do this as well as you do.
You guys are clearly doing an amazing job, I think people are just asking for an appeal.
Nothing is set in stone and as other mods have pointed out...it's being discussed. We (mods) aren't all online at the same exact time so we're trying to figure things out as best we can
I'm going to say this once again, not that it will matter since it has been ignored twice before, if someone would just tell us why emoney was banned this discussion would subside. If Emoney actually did something wrong great ban him.
And this is not a good enough explenation: [quote author=knoxville board=help thread=26764 post=1027052 time=1330994285 I do not see how a guy that has been warned in the past, had a warning level, then starts crap with t a mod over the Karma system, of all things, would not see a ban coming? [/quote]
Basically you are saying starting crap with a mod is a banable offense? Or that having multiple accounts is only a banable offense when it is followed by annoying a mod.
i post on another big forum. and on that forum, discussing any moderations issues at all on the boards is prohibited and itself result in a ban. i always thought it was stupid. now i see why its not. this thread is bonkers.
I'm glad you see that Phi. It is a little bonkers, but we decided to keep it open so the discussion was contained.
I fail to see the connection between "making multiple posts on a message board about Thing" to "Thing bothers me". Does me posting about the karma system bother you? You have now made multiple posts about me posting about the karma system, so it must bother you. Why does it bother you so much?
i post on another big forum. and on that forum, discussing any moderations issues at all on the boards is prohibited and itself result in a ban. i always thought it was stupid. now i see why its not. this thread is bonkers.
I'm glad you see that Phi. It is a little bonkers, but we decided to keep it open so the discussion was contained.
A great decision by the way. Stifling speech is a risky proposition. You guys truly specialize in creating a forum for diverse speech and this is just another positive example of that vision.
i post on another big forum. and on that forum, discussing any moderations issues at all on the boards is prohibited and itself result in a ban. i always thought it was stupid. now i see why its not. this thread is bonkers.
I'm glad you see that Phi. It is a little bonkers, but we decided to keep it open so the discussion was contained.
I fail to see the connection between "making multiple posts on a message board about Thing" to "Thing bothers me". Does me posting about the karma system bother you? You have now made multiple posts about me posting about the karma system, so it must bother you. Why does it bother you so much?
I'm going to say this once again, not that it will matter since it has been ignored twice before, if someone would just tell us why emoney was banned this discussion would subside. If Emoney actually did something wrong great ban him.
And this is not a good enough explenation: [quote author=knoxville board=help thread=26764 post=1027052 time=1330994285 I do not see how a guy that has been warned in the past, had a warning level, then starts crap with t a mod over the Karma system, of all things, would not see a ban coming?
Basically you are saying starting crap is a banable offense? Or that having multiple accounts is only a banable offense when it is followed by annoying a mod. [/quote]
As far as I have ever seen this is about as open as we have discussed an issue like this out in the open. I think because people are obviously not happy. One of those alone is not enough for a ban, you are correct. But all three most certainly is. Especially when the starting crap continues over a long period of time. I think we, as mods, are pretty laid back when it comes to virtually everything. I have warned people for being disrespectful to others and they stop.
Let's keep in mind that Emoney's "starting crap" was suggesting the board have an option to turn off the ability to view awesome points for all users. The delivery was rough, sure, but at it's core his "starting crap" was only a suggestion to improve the board.
gulp is right. If starting crap with a mod while in possession of a multiple account is a banable offense there aren't going to be many of us left
I do not agree with that from my years around here. Most of you are respectful to each other and the mods for the most part. And when I have seen it go to far, people get warned and they stop. I would think it stands to reason that if you have a warning level already being a smartass to a mod, more than once, over a question/suggestion you were given a perfectly acceptable answer to, is a quick way to get banned. Not to mention the dupe accounts. That has always been a big no no, and everyone should know that. I know he did.
Let's keep in mind that Emoney's "starting crap" was suggesting the board have an option to turn off the ability to view awesome points for all users. The delivery was rough, sure, but at it's core his "starting crap" was only a suggestion to improve the board.
Making the suggestion was not the "starting crap". So please do not give people the impression that we do not welcome suggestions, we have always been open to all kinds of suggestions. It was his multiple replies when he was given an answer he did not like.
Let's keep in mind that Emoney's "starting crap" was suggesting the board have an option to turn off the ability to view awesome points for all users. The delivery was rough, sure, but at it's core his "starting crap" was only a suggestion to improve the board.
Making the suggestion was not the "starting crap". So please do not give people the impression that we do not welcome suggestions, we have always been open to all kinds of suggestions. It was his multiple replies when he was given an answer he did not like.
I wasn't trying to imply that, so I'm sorry if it came off that way. I have posted in many of the suggestion threads, so I know full-well that the mods actively try to improve the board, and it's appreciated. His suggestion did change, though. From the "delete the karma system" suggestion (which is not the first time I've seen that), to "make it so I just don't see it for anyone else."
I didn't want to give people the false impression that the mods are inaccessible or something like that, because this is an isolated incident.
I fail to see the connection between "making multiple posts on a message board about Thing" to "Thing bothers me". Does me posting about the karma system bother you? You have now made multiple posts about me posting about the karma system, so it must bother you. Why does it bother you so much?
dang you guys like emoney a lot to throw up such a fuss.
let's be real, he has said some inappropriate crap before that WAS hateful. i don't even really know what he did this time, but i still think it is funny you guys act like you are SO SURPRISED. haven't we had an exact thread like this before??? or was that boothead? or were they the same person?
either way. this thread has a lot of testosterone going.
do i get a vote? i vote for nodepression to be kicked off the island.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 5, 2012 20:49:48 GMT -5
This was going to be my response to the other thread Alberto started before it got deleted. Since people are still under the impression that "suggesting something" was what got him banned I figure i'd post it here.
Our fellow inforoo'er emoney was banned recently after a fair suggestion he made to the forum was presented in a way that did not please our all-holy moderators who decided that was just cause to ban him.
I understand how it would seem that way since we haven't spelled out every single reason he was banned but it's really not because of one thing like you make it seem to be in this post.
It's not just the Skrillex photo of the day stuff (which had a few of you laughing but was intended to annoy/bother a board member.....had someone brought it to a mod's attention that Phi was trolling those threads earlier in the year then someone would have intervened....I know I would have).
It's not just the smartass/snarky responses.
It's not just the passive aggressive reporting of a bunch of Jess's old posts to try and get him in trouble (the thing he was reporting Jess on was his trolling with the Huey Lewis photos but it had already been handled and Jess had already been reprimanded and complied.)
It's not just the Sangreal sig (which I've actually defended him having a lot. We got TONS of complaints about this and not just because of Sangreal's inclusion but because of it in general. I would constantly tell people who complained to use the ignore function if they're afraid of being caught while browsing at school or work)
It's not just the pointing out flaws (in an admittedly flawed system where not all mods can enforce all rules all the time.....we're volunteers with lives that get in the way.....we will miss things)
It's not just because of his posts about the karma function (which weren't received as genuine initially since he doesn't use the karma function and we explained how the two systems were different. His suggestion of "hiding the popularity of posters" wasn't taken as serious considering a lot of his posts have been sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek).
It's not just the duplicate accounts (he's been here long enough to know that's not allowed).
It's not just any one thing. As someone else has stated this was building for a while apparently. He has been banned in the past and let back so it's not like he hasn't been given chances. He has also had plenty of chances to defend himself as he was discussing via PM with a mod until he found out they weren't going to unban them right away. Then he stopped responding. He was also told he could direct his complaints to Adam who owns/runs the board but I don't know if he tried doing that. At some point all the things start to pile up and in a short amount of time from a poster who has had a fair share of complaints in the past.
We see how some of you are defending him and are definitely taking it into consideration but you need to realize this wasn't just a "he pissed one person off so now he's gone".
dang you guys like emoney a lot to throw up such a fuss.
let's be real, he has said some inappropriate crap before that WAS hateful. i don't even really know what he did this time, but i still think it is funny you guys act like you are SO SURPRISED. haven't we had an exact thread like this before??? or was that boothead? or were they the same person?
either way. this thread has a lot of testosterone going.
do i get a vote? i vote for nodepression to be kicked off the island.
I don't get the point of this post. Do you want to start a thread where you can tell us the people you don't like?
People are upset about emoney's ban because it seems that a single standard is not applied for all cases. If you didn't just gloss over this thread and assume everyone in here is whining (which they're not, there's an actual discussion taking place), you'd likely have seen that.
This isn't the "who do you want to get banned" thread. This is the "we think Emoney was unjustly banned" thread.
You even just admitted yourself you don't know what he did. None of us do, which is the point of this discussion.
I like how any time a male shows any form of emotional involvement it's "testosterone." The people who are asking the ban be lifted are asking questions, the mods are giving answers where they can. This isn't a pissing contest.
EDIT: Mods, I understand you disagree with this viewpoint and that there is "more to it," so there's no need to address this in my post. Just explaining to EAP what's happening here, and that it's not a bunch of drunk frat boys arm wrestling for Emoney's inforoo life.
Last Edit: Mar 5, 2012 20:55:34 GMT -5 by flanzonyc - Back to Top
I think we have been pretty forthcoming with everything? Multiple accounts before and after he was banned (not just one to argue his point ) Is having more than account not a very well known rule around here, we have banned people before for deleting a dupe and making another. A history of "starting crap", for lack of a better term, that he was warned about more than once. To the point he was given a warning level. And I may be mistaken but I believe it was even raised from the initial level that was given (2). Where does it end? This could not have "out of the blue" he had been warned a lot.
I do appreciate your opinions on the matter. I don't think most boards would allow such a discussion. But, this is not like most message boards and we are all proud of that, at least I am. In the end this is not just my decision alone. You have made your opinions heard and again I appreciate it.
I still don't see how any of those are ban worthy. Hell other than using someone else's picture in a signature I think I am guilty of a similar crime to every single one of those.
Also for the record I have tried dealing with Adam before. That's a dead end. I'm not saying Adam is an assh*le but I am saying he sure acted like one in every interaction I had with him during the TM fiasco.
I still don't see how any of those are ban worthy. Hell other than using someone else's picture in a signature I think I am guilty of a similar crime to every single one of those.
It is not really the same situation, though. These were all done in a short period of time and you don't have a history of causing problems or being banned (as far as I know).
dang you guys like emoney a lot to throw up such a fuss.
let's be real, he has said some inappropriate crap before that WAS hateful. i don't even really know what he did this time, but i still think it is funny you guys act like you are SO SURPRISED. haven't we had an exact thread like this before??? or was that boothead? or were they the same person?
either way. this thread has a lot of testosterone going.
do i get a vote? i vote for nodepression to be kicked off the island.
I don't get the point of this post. Do you want to start a thread where you can tell us the people you don't like?
People are upset about emoney's ban because it seems that a single standard is not applied for all cases. If you didn't just gloss over this thread and assume everyone in here is whining (which they're not, there's an actual discussion taking place), you'd likely have seen that.
This isn't the "who do you want to get banned" thread. This is the "we think Emoney was unjustly banned" thread.
You even just admitted yourself you don't know what he did. None of us do, which is the point of this discussion.
I like how any time a male shows any form of emotional involvement it's "testosterone." The people who are asking the ban be lifted are asking questions, the mods are giving answers where they can. This isn't a pissing contest.
EDIT: Mods, I understand you disagree with this viewpoint and that there is "more to it," so there's no need to address this in my post. Just explaining to EAP what's happening here, and that it's not a bunch of drunk frat boys arm wrestling for Emoney's inforoo life.
ACTUALLY
my point was to lighten up the mood.
you guys are complaining about USING A FREE SERVICE.
if you don't like the way the people are running it, then GO AWAY.
if that is how you want me to talk, then i will.
as as for my "creepy" nodepression obsession, some of you have your own people on here you can't stand. he is one of mine. i learned to live with him and gave up my quest a long time ago to get him to stop antagonizing people.
maybe if you don't want people to do things to you you shouldn't do to them?