I'm pretty sure you see a lot of the same acts at OSL and Roo because they sign deals to play both. Like when Pearl Jam played Roo in '08, OSL in '09, and Jazz Fest in '10. I'm pretty sure they probably signed a deal in 08 to play all three.
I think it is a better business decision for Bonnaroo to book Phish for two shows because I'm sure a lot of the Phans will go back to the whole "screw bonnaroo mtv bought them out, kanye sucks blah blah" poop and not want to travel to Bonnaroo for one show. However if you book them for two sets, or publicly announce that there will be Phish sit ins all over, it will increase your chances of the people that would typically go to a three night run in some other city. Plus if Phish has their, say, two sets you can also count on some other "jam band" to be there to entertain you on Phish's night off.
this is me (sans the roo has sold out sentiment). Since Phish came back my summers have revolved around Phish tour. This summer will be no different. Typically I travel up to 15 hours catching shows along the way (for example, leave mobile, al for atlanta shows > NC shows > VA shows) so it would actually be nice to just drive the seven hours to Roo. I would be much more likely to do Roo in lieu of Phish tour if Phish is playing two sets instead of one.
I haven't been to Roo since the third year, and would love to make my return. Honestly I still regret not hitting 09, as NIN is another top 5 favorite band for me. would have been thrilling to see Phish and NIN at the same fest!
I think Bonnaroo would book both Radiohead and Phish, Frank. That would definitely sell it out. Springsteen had to be an expensive act in '09.
God thank you. I hate when people say that "Phish and Radiohead" is unlikely because it will cost too much. 2008: Pearl Jam, Metallica, Kanye West, Jack Johnson; 2009: Phish, Bruce Springsteen, Beasties, Metallica; 2010: Jay-Z, DMB, Stevie Wonder... all of those combinations would cost the same as Phish and Radiohead. I would assume Bruce costs more, or at least the same, as Radiohead.
Something like Radiohead / Phish / Foo Fighters / Furthur wouldn't cost much more than any of those years' headliners.
And, yeah, booking them for 2 nights (again) isn't out of the question. It would be a strong incentive for their touring crowd to come, rather than skip it. I'm guessing this was the logic behind the early double Widespread nights and double Phish in 2009. City festivals are different (OSL, ACL) because you can buy single tickets to those days (I think) so their traveling horde could just come for a day and then leave; plus their a city festival so you have a huge portion of your market already there, so no need to lure them in with a 2 night run.
Also, it's cheaper to get Phish to play the Sunday HL slot and the main LN rather than book, say, Furthur for Sunday and Trey for the LN, and few other bands could captivate their audience for two long sets over the same weekend.
Phish has played Roo one time. What makes them some Bonnaroo gods that shaped the festival? They are a great band and they were great in 2009. Why have the exact same festival 3 years later? I think it would be better for Roo to switch it up a bit. One 4 hour set gives basically the same amount of stage time without repeating what they have already done and would cost less.
Well first off bonnaroo was designed by the same crew that designed all the phish festivals. Secondly they are not the biggest band in the world however they are probably the biggest band with dedicated fanbase who will travel and camp three days in adverse conditions. Thirdly they are not touring much next year from what I hear. Finally the tour dates floating around have them off that whole weekend which indicates they will be around.
So you whatever haters are gonna hate, but personally I would be very surprised to see just a single phish show if they are there, and I seriously doubt they will get only the Sunday set. A lot of people would go just to see them, and a lot of people can not stay Sunday night. We had this exact same argument in 09 when the two nights rumor broke. I would not worry to much though it is not like they will be the only band playing all three nights or anything.
Post by DunderMifflin on Dec 26, 2011 21:39:01 GMT -5
If you look at the past two years, the top 2 bands were current artists with the classics being 3rd
2010- Dave Mathews, Kings of Leon, Stevie Wonder 2011- Eminem, Arcade Fire, WSP
I too am thinking that the highest bid that Phish would get will be 3rd. Bringing Eminem last year, even though he's not the typical roo artist, was HUGE last year(the guy hadnt done a concert in 10 years) . and Arcade Fire was a big booking too (grammy artists of the year).
So my point being, im sure the bonnaroo staff has some huge surprises that we haven't even thought of. i have my fingers crossed for phish but im more excited to see who's gonna get the top 2 spots.
I hope this doesn't come off as ignorant, but Im going to throw this out there:
Do the headliners REALLY define the entire festival? I personally do not think so. There is so much diversity that is possible with 4 days of music, and with the bankroll that they seem to be working with that the top 3-5 slots, although important to the festival are not the only defining factors.
For example: Eminem/Arcade Fire/Widespread Panic were the top 3, right?
Well last year, some would argue that Gogol Bordello and Mumford and Sons had the biggest impact next to Eminem (and honestly Eminem really only because of his coming out of retirement). I thought the Eminem concert was shit, and I left half way through it.
All I am saying is, so what if Phish gets 2 sets. That does not define the whole weekend.
Wiz/Big Boi/Lil Wayne were one part. So was Mumford/Buffalo Springfield. Im sure that some people hit as much of the rap/hip hop as possible, and others hit as much of the jam/rock whatever as possible and both had great, yet much different, experiences.
All this arguing about Phish getting 2 sets seems pointless, because they are not even confirmed - but I get why its being discussed. I for one hope they do run 2 sets, and I will probably see both. But if they aren't even there, most will still have a great time.
Headliners do not define the festival but they do sell tickets to the average joe. They are the biggest/most anticipated shows of the week to most people on the farm. They are not for me and probably not to most of the people on this board. But to the average music listener who hasn't heard more than 80% of the lineup before it is released, it probably is a deal breaker.
Take Eminem last year. Whether you like him or not he sold a lot of tickets. I would bet that those who bought tickets on almost solely the fact Eminem was playing have never heard of Gogol Bordello.
Probably not, in the top ten though with a LN Which. That being said he is really unlikely to play. I have heard he does not do festivals because of sobriety issues. It is a pity they would not bill him higher, I would love to see him or Leonard Cohen headline but they just do not have that mainstream draw I guess.
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you gotta admit, the past two roo's have been going a different direction since '09 though. like last year with 'lil Wayne and Wiz. both big rap artists.
Lil Wayne was also terrible, and Wiz was nowhere near important enough to the lineup to bring into this conversation.
While fundamentally I agree with you, they did give Wiz a What Stage spot - which is pretty big for a first show on the farm. I think the point is there will probably be some sort of major hip-hop artist in the top 6.
I would love to hear prince's guitar ripping through the farm. Give him MMJ sound from last year and it would be amazing.
How can anyone want to see the beach boys. That would be so damn boring. I thought all the guys were in wheel chairs and hooked up to heart monitors. Have Jesse from full house sit in on drums though and you might be on to something!!!!