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However, despite all of this, Cabrera is still going to win the MVP because voters are old and stubborn and refuse to admit that there is more information out there that is much more accurate in comparing player performance than their archaic methods suggest.
And BCUZ TRIPEL CROWN!!!1!1! LOLZZ!!
Hah oh god, you're such a sabermetrics fanboy. The Triple Crown isn't an archaic method, it's one of the hardest things to do in all of sports. If anything it's becoming harder as time's gone on.
I do agree a lot of old-time writers refuse to acknowledge the advances in stats, but you're acting like those stats need to dictate who they vote for. If that was the case, they wouldn't have a vote and just develop a formula that decided the winner.
I have never understood the baseball culture's fascination with statistics. I think that is what is driving this whole Sabermetrics train. I have read moneyball, and I get that UZR, WAR, OBP, and slash stats provide a different picture and maybe more accurate than traditional stats, but it is also making baseball nerds even more ostracized. People can get behind ERA, HR, RBI, and BA. The common audience can understand those statistics, making the game accessible to them. There is a mysticism around winning the Triple Crown that people can understand.
Yes, Trout had a very good year. Arguably better than Cabrera. But it is like Bert Blyleven in 2011. He was not one of the most dominant pitchers while he played. He didn't even win all that much, but he got it on sabermetric performance. Which bust are you going to go look at. Berts or Nolan Ryan?
I also think you still need to be on a playoff team to win the MVP, but I know there is a vast difference of opinion there. There is a leadership component, and if you give it to someone who misses the playoffs, it is like saying nice try, we like the losers too, so here is your award.
TL;DR, Cabrera should win because he pulled off an incredible achievement that is marketable and accessible to the average fan of baseball. Trout had a great year, and will probably win one in the future, but Cabrera should / will get the votes.
I have never understood the baseball culture's fascination with statistics. I think that is what is driving this whole Sabermetrics train. I have read moneyball, and I get that UZR, WAR, OBP, and slash stats provide a different picture and maybe more accurate than traditional stats, but it is also making baseball nerds even more ostracized. People can get behind ERA, HR, RBI, and BA. The common audience can understand those statistics, making the game accessible to them. There is a mysticism around winning the Triple Crown that people can understand.
Yes, Trout had a very good year. Arguably better than Cabrera. But it is like Bert Blyleven in 2011. He was not one of the most dominant pitchers while he played. He didn't even win all that much, but he got it on sabermetric performance. Which bust are you going to go look at. Berts or Nolan Ryan?
I also think you still need to be on a playoff team to win the MVP, but I know there is a vast difference of opinion there. There is a leadership component, and if you give it to someone who misses the playoffs, it is like saying nice try, we like the losers too, so here is your award.
TL;DR, Cabrera should win because he pulled off an incredible achievement that is marketable and accessible to the average fan of baseball. Trout had a great year, and will probably win one in the future, but Cabrera should / will get the votes.
Well, baseball is really just an individual sport masquerading as a team sport. Baseball games are mostly individual battles in succession so stats carry more weight. Football, for instance, is just scratching the surface of their advanced stats, but that sport makes it almost impossible for individuals to shine if their team is bad. Even Brady struggles when his line is sucking. A hitter can always hit, and a pitcher can always pitch. Their output might vary slightly based on a pitcher's defense or a hitter's base runners, but for the most part their stats are their own so these advanced metrics work. For other sports it's a lot different.
Thats true, and that is kind of what I am getting at. You can go 7 innings with no offense. Just pitchers getting people to fly out, ground out and strikeout. Just accumulating statistics.
In Football, you picked skill players, but I will give you a different example. Kevin Williams. DT for the Vikings. He does not get a ton of tackles, or sacks, or really any stats, but he is typically ranked one of the best DTs in the league. Why? Because no one will run at him due to the fact that he can and will eat you.
The point is, you probably could figure out a stat to measure him using some advanced metrics, but less than 1% of people will care, and the more they hear about that stat, the more it grates on them, and the less interested they become in the sport overall.
Most fans do not care about advanced metrics, and shoving them down their throat and calling people dumb for not following them makes them less likely to follow the sport.
Oh, I think the Braves will win the NL game. I think I'm destined to have the Nats play and lose to the Braves in the first round and then listen to yachtloads of crap from rdk for the rest of the year...
Oh, I think the Braves will win the NL game. I think I'm destined to have the Nats play and lose to the Braves in the first round and then listen to yachtloads of crap from rdk for the rest of the year...
Post by funkybuttlovin on Oct 5, 2012 17:30:51 GMT -5
I hope the Braves win because of Chipper. Good game so far. I want Rangers to beat the O's because I think they're better and more experienced than the young O's which gives them the advantage in a one-game series. I think the Yanks can beat the Rangers easier than they would the O's in a 5 game series given their crummy September baseball.
I also think Hamilton has mailed it in and will only attempt to contribute with his bat this post-season because he won't be back next season playing for the Rangers.
He's like you made an über troll by taking the worst parts of me (the utter disregard for other people's opinions), Phi (cluttering up threads with memes and adding nothing to a discussion) and Jess (an apparent belief that everyone else is the problem and/or arrogance without self awareness).
are you quacking kidding me i hope they quacking riot way to send out chipper on the worst call ive seen in mlb no way that was a goddang infield fly. why why why atlanta chokes enough as it is why the Quack do you have to make a call like that. keep throwing shiz this is a disgrace
im sure no other crowd would have reacted the same way. i could handle atlanta losing because they played awful which they did but to get one of your few chances crushed by a piss poor call is sickening.
im sure no other crowd would have reacted the same way.
Philly would. Most wouldn't. Throwing garbage on the field during a game is unacceptable behavior, no matter what happened, and braves fans should know better.
