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Haha, 3 years in a row the Rangers choke at the end of the year. Yes, I realize they are going to end up as the wild card, but they have had 2 head to head series to finish off the A's.
Maybe they are all mentally fragile like their "star"
Haha, 3 years in a row the Rangers choke at the end of the year. Yes, I realize they are going to end up as the wild card, but they have had 2 head to head series to finish off the A's.
Maybe they are all mentally fragile like their "star"
You do realize if there was a 2nd Wildcard in 2007 I wouldn't have been forced to sit and watch the 3rd worst collapse in history (ha ha! Suck it Boston & Philly!....sigh).
Congrats to the A's, it is pretty much impossible not to root for them. Unless you're a Rangers fan, obviously.
Post by Don Flamenco on Oct 3, 2012 17:55:31 GMT -5
It's days like this I wish Nolan Ryan still had Robin Ventura in a headlock, throwing an endless array of heaters to the poor lad's dome. But that will never happen again now will it....
Haha, 3 years in a row the Rangers choke at the end of the year. Yes, I realize they are going to end up as the wild card, but they have had 2 head to head series to finish off the A's.
Maybe they are all mentally fragile like their "star"
You do realize if there was a 2nd Wildcard in 2007 I wouldn't have been forced to sit and watch the 3rd worst collapse in history (ha ha! Suck it Boston & Philly!....sigh).
Congrats to the A's, it is pretty much impossible not to root for them. Unless you're a Rangers fan, obviously.
I spent game 162 in an Atlanta bar last year and almost everyone there was a Braves or Red Sox fan. I dislike both teams, so I bet against both of them. So much money was made....
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Really great to see the Coliseum filled and going nuts.
What a likable buncha misfits.
The A's have been my favorite AL team since the Tejada-Giambi-Dye-Chavez (aka rampant steroid use) era but I haven't payed too much attention to them the past couple years. I'll have to bust out my Zito jersey and I'll sure be rooting for them.
Also, I've had Brett Anderson on seemingly every one of my fantasy teams since '09 since I keep falsely believing he'll get past his injury problems. Plus Brandon McCarthy seems like a legitimately funny and cool dude and continues to make light of the fact he was almost killed a month ago. So there's that I guess.
So, Glenn, do you think that the player with the highest WAR should win MVP every year?
Eh, not necessarily. Even people who cite defensive statistics like UZR and whatnot are pretty steadfast in saying one year's worth of data isn't really enough to determine a player's defensive value. There was actually a really interesting article on Brett Lawrie back in June that I'm too lazy to look up that goes over why his dWAR was like 2.1 after less than two months, which is pretty much ridiculous and probably not the best indicator (that was quite the sentence.) I mean, if there are two guys at like 8.6 and 8.4 for WAR I don't think it's necessarily that cut and dried, if that answers your question. Just that in this particular instance, I believe Trout's close enough offensively to Miggy where his defense and baserunning make him the clear choice IMO.
Eh, not necessarily. Even people who cite defensive statistics like UZR and whatnot are pretty steadfast in saying one year's worth of data isn't really enough to determine a player's defensive value. There was actually a really interesting article on Brett Lawrie back in June that I'm too lazy to look up that goes over why his dWAR was like 2.1 after less than two months, which is pretty much ridiculous and probably not the best indicator (that was quite the sentence.) I mean, if there are two guys at like 8.6 and 8.4 for WAR I don't think it's necessarily that cut and dried, if that answers your question. Just that in this particular instance, I believe Trout's close enough offensively to Miggy where his defense and baserunning make him the clear choice IMO.
Cool, I agree. Awards should have some subjectivity to them.
EDIT: I don't agree that Trout should be MVP over Miggy though, just to be clear.
Last Edit: Oct 3, 2012 18:59:31 GMT -5 by Ned - Back to Top
Here's my problem with the whole Triple Crown/MVP thing: This is just a guess on my part, but I'm thinking most of the people who will reward Cabrera with an MVP vote due to his Triple Crown would also believe you shouldn't vote for players on bad teams, because of the whole "how can they be the most valuable when their team sucks?" argument. I don't agree with that, but certainly understand. Now, since they're voting on the player most valuable to their team, it doesn't matter that nobody has hit more home runs or RBI's than Cabrera. Hypothetically if Adam Dunn stayed a bit healthier, he could've reasonably hit another HR or two more than Miggy. In no way would that make Cabrera less valuable to his team simply because another player barely beat him out in one of the Triple Crown categories. It's the contradiction with the voters that kind of irks me I guess.
And that Braun will probably have a zero percent chance of winning even though literally no one with the exception of Braun knows if he actually cheated last year, and now that he's undoubtedly clean he's had possibly the best numbers of his career.
Unrelated: There's only two teams in the playoffs I hate. That's just about unfathomably low for me.
Lots of commentators are making cringe-worthy defenses of Miguel's MVPness. Then again so are a lot of people in the Trout camp. I think deserves it based on his numbers alone, and it doesn't do team Miguel any favors to deride people who disagree as nerds with laptops. I think it's insane the way Trout supporters are dismissing RBIs outright when Miguel hits the way he does with RISP. I think for every category Trout beats Miguel in there's another where Miguel beats Trout, people just need to be honest about which statistics they find most valuable.
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How dare you dis the Yanquis? Glennron please tell me that you are a Yankee-hater. What small market fan couldn't be?
That's be correct, quacker. The only teams I really dislike are the Cards/Cubs and Yankees/Red Sox/Angels, and seemingly 3-4 of them are in the playoffs every year the past several years. Well except the Cubs since '08.
Lots of commentators are making cringe-worthy defenses of Miguel's MVPness. Then again so are a lot of people in the Trout camp. I think deserves it based on his numbers alone, and it doesn't do team Miguel any favors to deride people who disagree as nerds with laptops. I think it's insane the way Trout supporters are dismissing RBIs outright when Miguel hits the way he does with RISP. I think for every category Trout beats Miguel in there's another where Miguel beats Trout, people just need to be honest about which statistics they find most valuable.
Your last sentence is exactly right, which is why it's pretty much pointless to continue this debate. I just want to point out one quick thing though-I don't think Trout supporters are necessarily dismissing RBIs outright more than pointing out Cabrera has had a much larger number of RBI opportunities. Cabrera has knocked in 31% of baserunners to Trout's 28%. Just like Trout's lead in runs scored is kind of pointless to cite because he's batting leadoff as opposed to third. But yeah, different strokes etc. etc.
Maybe I'm still bitter that the Brewers don't have Trout because the f*ckhead Yankees had to sign Texieria in addition to Sabathia, so the comp pick the Brewers would've gotten went to the Angels cause Tex was the ONLY free agent rated higher, who in turn selected Trout with that pick. Yay.
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Jun 21 Jim James (Northampton MA)
Jul 27-28 Newport Folk
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How dare you dis the Yanquis? Glennron please tell me that you are a Yankee-hater. What small market fan couldn't be?
That's be correct, quacker. The only teams I really dislike are the Cards/Cubs and Yankees/Red Sox/Angels, and seemingly 3-4 of them are in the playoffs every year the past several years. Well except the Cubs since '08.
Yeah I'm mostly a Yankees/Red Sox and Braves/Phillies disliker.
