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that was her point - they did not beat him - instead they tasered him - which would you prefer - a brutal beating or being tased?
Really?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Did you miss the part of the video where he had a wart on a swollen muff?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
You know JustMeg, most people are not trying to pick fights with other posters, with your over 14 thousand post I feel you should have figured that out by now...I could turn this for the worse but this is a FUNNY thread people
I'm the opposite of moderate, immaculately polished With the spirit of a hustler and the swagger of a college kid Allergic to the counterfeit, impartial to the politics Articulate but still would grab a ni**a by the colla quick
that was her point - they did not beat him - instead they tasered him - which would you prefer - a brutal beating or being tased?
Really?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Did you miss the part of the video where he had a wart on a swollen muff?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
You know JustMeg, most people are not trying to pick fights with other posters, with your over 14 thousand post I feel you should have figured that out by now...I could turn this for the worse but this is a FUNNY thread people
well - gee - sorry about that - guess it's hard to understand sarcasm or humor over the internet if you don't use any emoticons or anything else to indicate that you are trying to be funny.
and I wasn't picking a fight but apparently you are - all I did was post a comment because I honestly thought that you thought there had been a guy beaten by the cops.
and WTH does my post count have to so with any of this anyway - ???
I'm the opposite of moderate, immaculately polished With the spirit of a hustler and the swagger of a college kid Allergic to the counterfeit, impartial to the politics Articulate but still would grab a ni**a by the colla quick
All I know is that I am dead serious when I say that this whole thing never would have happened if it weren't for predjudice against hermaphrodites.
And there is no more room in this thread for post count envy than there is for shlong envy.
;D ??? ;D ;D ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D
very good - I can't help that I'm a post whore - I used to have Becca and Oleander around all the time to talk to - they helped contribute as I helped contribute to their post counts
Post by AgainstNunes! on Apr 24, 2009 13:33:04 GMT -5
Yes, the guy had a tiny penis, but he didn't deserve all of that. I can see getting the taser once, but repeated times in the neck is absurd.
Ladies, if you have tiny tits and want to be free from your bra, would cops hassle you to put it back on? If you refused a couple times, would you expect to have your hair pulled, get kneed in the stomach and have a taser gun be used against you repeatedly?
They should make a music festival called the Garden of Eden (pre-forbidden fruit eating).
I would have just put my robe back on, and then once they left, take it off again.
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Post by viciouscircle on Apr 24, 2009 13:41:35 GMT -5
Actually that is exactly what I would expect if I resisted arrest, especially if, in the course of that resistance, I locked onto the cop's package. See 2:45.
Even after repeatedly tasering him, they had a hard time getting him into cuffs. So I guess I don't understand why it matters that he was tased repeatedly, as if that was a major torture, when it obviously wasn't even affecting him that much. I guess they could have tasered once, wrestled for awhile, then tasered again, then wrestled some more, and repeated that process until the guy came down or the aholes in the crowd started rioting. Or they could have jacked up the power and just tasered him once so strongly that he was cuffable, but that's where you get a much greater risk of death or serious injury.
The most appalling thing to me in that video is the behavior of the crowd. They could have helped the guy by calmly talking him down, but instead egged him on, just so they could have a show. I think that's another way Roo is not like Coachella - I would hope that at Roo people would be more likely to try to calm a person like that down rather than try to stir him up.
I think more than likely the cop continued tasering him from the excitement. Cops are people too and I'm sure it would be hard to think things through with a clear head with a crowd like that and with the dude continuing to resist. I know that if I were in that position and hadn't really used my taser that much I wouldn't be quite sure how much is going to be effective. Getting trigger happy isn't an excuse for the excessiveness but I can see where it would happen. And I have a feeling that it would have been the same situation if it would have been a female except the cops could have probably cuffed a female with much more ease.
I think more than likely the cop continued tasering him from the excitement. Cops are people too and I'm sure it would be hard to think things through with a clear head with a crowd like that and with the dude continuing to resist. I know that if I were in that position and hadn't really used my taser that much I wouldn't be quite sure how much is going to be effective. Getting trigger happy isn't an excuse for the excessiveness but I can see where it would happen. And I have a feeling that it would have been the same situation if it would have been a female except the cops could have probably cuffed a female with much more ease.
I agree, getting amped up and paranoid about the crowds reaction behind you...I don't know what you mean about cuffing a girl easier...wasn't that a girl in the video only with a deformed fish taco.
I say we all find out who this guy is and pitch in and buy him a ticket to Bonnaroo....
edit...I didnt use the word "fish taco" I used the word vag!na but some how it is automatically edited as if "fish taco" is less offensive to women as the actual name vag!na is???
I think more than likely the cop continued tasering him from the excitement. Cops are people too and I'm sure it would be hard to think things through with a clear head with a crowd like that and with the dude continuing to resist.
That makes sense, that the adrenaline rise from the crowd reaction would affect how the cops handle it.
According to one poster from the Coachella boards who was there, someone in the crowd threw a bottle of gatorade out of the crowd that hit one of the cops in the back. Another woman had this to say about how the whole thing started:
"My son witnessed the whole thing. The guy pees right in front of a Staff Pro guy, and when the Staff Pro guys tell him it's not cool to do that, the guy goes off on him. According to my son, the guy starts calling the security guy everything in the book. At this point the police are brought in. After it was over, my son talked to the security guy who said that were going to let him go with a warning, but he spazzed out on them"
From that it doesn't even sound like the triggering issue was even nakedness. He just happened to be naked while being an a-hole.
Post by nodepression on Apr 24, 2009 20:25:32 GMT -5
Did anyone see the naked guy by What Made Milwaukee Famous on Thursday? He was running around, took a few waters, than attempted to swim on the grass? That was my intro to Bonnaroo last year.
Basically the guy did everything in the book to get tasered, and it probably wasn't even about him being naked. More like him being an asshole who peed in front of a Staff guy (nobody would have complained otherwise it seems) didnt want to put his clothes back on and enjoy the shows. Anyone who would prefer to argue with cops about putting on some sort of robe thing, than see the million things going around you a free man, well, then you're just an idiot.
Post by autumnsredtears on Apr 24, 2009 22:26:18 GMT -5
The dude was fucked out of his mind, he resisted, you know what would happen in the real world if you walked around naked, fucked out of your mind, and resisted arrest = FELON! The tasing wasn't un-necessary, he was naked, they're not going to put their hands on a naked guy who might fight back because of his state of mind... come on, let's look at this from both points of view, the guy was dis-respectful and wasn't law abiding. All it would have taken is just some underwear. That's it...
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^I was thinking about that earlier tonight. I would think that, same situation, only at 'Roo, SOMEONE would try and help talk him down and chill him out... Kudos to that one guy and his efforts early on in the video.
Although, if dude is as much of an asshat as he seems, I doubt there would be any point in trying to help... I mean, really?... You're gonna pee close to someone and then freak on them for letting you know they don't appreciate it? Pfffft.
I give little blame to the police on this one. They spent two minutes asking this guy to chill out and put his clothes on, he refused and they attempted to subdue him and that is when he began to resist arrest. The peaceful protest goes out the window when he attempts to physically fight with the police. Even after the tased him, he continued to fight. Cops have a job to do, which includes maintaining order of thousands of dosed out concert goers.
I am all for peaceful protests and people having a great time, but you need to realize that this is not 69 woodstock.
just for a little discussion........here's a study that shows how the use of tasers in california police department caused a decrease in "in-custody sudden death" and "firearm-related-deaths".
In an attempt to gain a better understanding of the safety of devices in the real world, the researchers surveyed 126 police and sheriff departments in California cities, of which only 50 replied with sufficient data on the rates of death before and after the adoption of stun guns. They requested information on the rates of in-custody deaths in the absence of lethal force, firearm-related deaths, and officer injuries requiring emergency-department visits. Annual arrest data per city was obtained from the California Department of Justice.
The researchers obtained data for the five years prior to deployment of Tasers and in the following five years in which they were used. In the first year after Tasers were introduced to the departments, the risk of in-custody sudden death was 5.96 per 100 000 arrests, a sixfold increase over the five years prior, when Tasers weren't used. In years two to five after deployment, however, the in-custody death rate declined to 1.44 per 100 000 arrests, a number that was not significantly different when compared with the predeployment period.
Among 37 departments that provided sufficient data, the rate of firearm-related deaths increased from 6.66 per 100 000 arrests in the years before Tasers were used to 14.1 per 100 000 arrests in the first year of deployment. This rate declined to 9.1 per 100 000 between years two and five, a rate not statistically different from rates observed in the five-year period before Tasers were used.
that same group that did that study though, does seem to agree with ritetime about the tasers not being as safe as they are made out to be. they agree that they are potentially lethal, and easy to abuse.
people seem to forget that it can be a useful device if used properly.......but sadly it seems most of the time a taser is used - it is abused (people holding longer shocks than necessary or multiple shockings).
"Tasers are not the 'non-lethal' weapons they are portrayed to be," said Angela Wright, US researcher at Amnesty International and author of the report. "They can kill and should only be used as a last resort.
"The problem with Tasers is that they are inherently open to abuse, as they are easy to carry and easy to use and can inflict severe pain at the push of a button, without leaving substantial marks."
Amnesty International’s study – which includes information from 98 autopsies – found that 90 per cent of those who died after being struck with a Taser were unarmed and many did not appear to present a serious threat.
Many were subjected to repeated or prolonged shocks – far more than the five-second "standard" cycle – or by more than one officer at a time. Some people were even shocked for failing to comply with police commands after they had been incapacitated by a first shock.
just a little research/info to help the debate. I personally think tasers are okay if used correctly and properly and if the situation calls for it. moments like the famous "don't taze me bro" where a student got tasered for asking too many questions and not being told why he was being arrested is a clear case of abusing the taser use.
thoughts?
I had met the kid that got killed at a Dark Star show in Nashville a couple of times. He was high as a kite, and apparently took off his clothes and was running around the lot. However he was tased 17 times, including several after he was down. I have heard from more than one person the cops were laughing and making krispy kritter jokes etc. as he was being arrested. After they got him down and he was just laying there he was then tased at least 3 more times by two different officers.
I have no problem with a shot from a taser to slow someone down, and in fact with a riot baton it is generally a good non lethal option. It is the misuse/overuse of tasers that really bothers me, they hit him over and over with that thing while he was naked in extremely hot area. If he had been dehydrated badly those sots could have easily killed him. There was no reason not to tase him once give him a small bop with baton put plastic handcuffs on him and haul him off.
The one ugly incident I saw at Bonnaroo was in 06 and involved an older drunk man deciding to punch his wife in the face. within literally minutes 6 out of uniform security people showed up put him on the ground and hadcuffed his arms and legs with the plastic cuffs. 5 minutes after that he was taken away on the ambulance cart. I don't know what happened later but I felt it was handled well. Anyway like I said judicious tasering is fine, but a lot of cops treat them like a toy, and use them to "punish" people who have irritated them. After watching this video I agree the guy was an ass and a problem, but I am not sure that 7 or 8 taser hits were called for, or very safe for someone in his situation.
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Anyway like I said judicious tasering is fine, but a lot of cops treat them like a toy, and use them to "punish" people who have irritated them.
This is my concern as well, and this is why I believe we can't let authorities (often Taser International, Inc.) to control the debate about tasers. Until we force the discourse about tasers to shift from "they're harmless" to "they kill people," we can expect cops to continue using them as compliance instruments instead of the potentially deadly weapons they are.
Post by billclinton on Apr 26, 2009 13:02:03 GMT -5
I think the taser came a little more early than normal in this situation, although warranted. They're dealing with a naked man, he's not exactly some guy you want to wrestle to the ground. When you take away the option of 3 guys man handling you, it turns to tasers and sticks. And with a wizard like that, you need the electricity.
Post by nodepression on Apr 26, 2009 13:19:49 GMT -5
How many naked wizards will there be at Bonnaroo...my bets over 10. This is going to start a thing unfortunately at all festivals. They'll probably be popping up all over the place.
It's just common sense, if the police tell you to put your clothes back on, just do it. Is it worth being arrested and kicked out of a festival you've been waiting all year to attend?
It's just common sense, if the police tell you to put your clothes back on, just do it. Is it worth being arrested and kicked out of a festival you've been waiting all year to attend?
Post by JustSoYouKnow on Apr 27, 2009 3:11:32 GMT -5
So, to surcomvent the discussion on tasering....
This guy needed force used on him to get him to comply. The cops were protecting and serving here. We all have to comply to the Laws of the Land(when cops are around). He chose not to and that's too bad for him. It's sad that it happened but hopefully whoever he is, he has learned his lesson.
&& to join the "to taser or not to taser" discussion....
Force was necessary, any force is potentially dangerous/lethal. Dangerous situation that it was, I think the taser was more of tactic to avoid seemingly a situation of 3 cops on one guy and it seemingly being one taser vs. one man. Tasers are too much, but get 5 cops around the guy and I will be the first to wonder if the 5 cops did something blocked from view. Too bad that cops can't be trusted to use physical force. Put him in a sleeper hold??