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They were high but not 2-2.50 a gallon for the cheap stuff high. I'm not sure how that will effect attendance. I'd think it would cause there are a lot of college age Rooers and college kids usually are poor.
I doubt it. Most people attending are within 1000 miles (a guess).
Even with a 10mpg beast and 50 cents more a gallon, you're still only $50 more in gas. Most people will blow at least that in "consumables" by Saturday night...
Post by spacebunny on Mar 17, 2005 17:48:01 GMT -5
My lawyer and I are flying in then renting a car. This is starting to sound like fear and loathing...
I hope that gas prices go down, but according to the news opec is saying prices will only go up. Go figure.
And now the senate has passed that bill allowing arctic drilling. But... you wont see the benefits (yeah, f!cking up the arctic) for at least 10 years.
I don't think prices would have an affect. I mean the people that are gonna go, are gonna go, no matter how high prices rise. I'm just glad that we're seeing the benifits of our taking over of Iraq. Wait a minute, NO WE AREN'T. Come on Bush, throw us a frickin bone here. Prices at my local WAWA are up 16 cents in 2 weeks!!! Good work.
My lawyer and I are flying in then renting a car. This is starting to sound like fear and loathing...
I laughed out loud when i saw that...Fear and Loathing was the first thing that came to mind. I was waiting for you to say that his name is Dr.Gonzo and that you had a car full of uppers,downers, booze and so forth.
And now the senate has passed that bill allowing arctic drilling. But... you wont see the benefits (yeah, f!cking up the arctic) for at least 10 years.
I've been fighting that battle for the last ten or so years. It's still gotta get through the house now if I remember right. With the GOP controling all the majority it could get pushed through. Putting it in a budget as to not get fillibuster is crap. I really hate the poltics in our country.
"Love your country, but never trust it's government." Senator Paul Wellstone
I can't really see this affecting someone's decision to attend. Maybe closer to the date people can post their local prices so we can figure out the best areas to stop & fill up?
Yeah, the ANWR situation is looking pretty grim. The Pacific Northwest is next kiddies. Here's a great piece from the NY Times that touches upon the tapping of ANWR and how it will only give China more leverage in our recent tension increases. I <3 Tom Friedman. Sorry to clutter with such a big paste, but you have to register with the Times to view their editorials in full.
March 17, 2005 OP-ED COLUMNIST Homeland Insecurity By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Bush officials have always been eager to pose as the tough guys willing to make the tough decisions. On Iraq and Afghanistan, they did. But when it comes to China, the Bush administration is engaged in one of the greatest acts of unilateral disarmament ever seen in U.S. foreign policy.
National security is about so much more than just military deployments. It is also about our tax, energy and competitiveness policies. And if you look at all these areas, the Bush team has not only been steadily eroding America's leverage and room for maneuver vis-à-vis its biggest long-term competitor - China - but it has actually been making us more dependent than ever on Beijing. Indeed, if the Bush policies were wrapped into a single legislative bill it could be called "The U.S.-China Dependency Act."
The excessive tax cuts for the rich, combined with a total lack of discipline on spending by the Bush team and its Republican-run Congress, have helped China become the second-largest holder of U.S. debt, with a little under $200 billion worth. No, I don't think China will start dumping its T-bills on a whim. But don't tell me that as China buys up more and more of our debt - and that is the only way we can finance the tax holiday the Bush team wants to make permanent - it won't limit our room to maneuver with Beijing, should it take aggressive steps toward Taiwan.
What China might do with all its U.S. T-bills in the event of a clash over Taiwan is a total wild card that we have put in Beijing's hands.
On energy, the Bush team's obsession with drilling in the Alaskan wilderness to increase supply is mind-boggling. "I am sure China will be thrilled with the Bush decision to drill in Alaska," said the noted energy economist Philip Verleger Jr. "Oil in Alaska cannot easily or efficiently be shipped to our Gulf Coast refineries. The logical markets are on the West Coast of the United States and in Asia. Consumers in China and Japan, not the U.S., will be the real beneficiaries of any big Alaska find.
"With a big find, China and Japan will be able to increase imports from a dependable supplier - the U.S. - while consumers in the U.S. will still be at the mercy of unreliable suppliers, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia. It is simple geography. [Also], a big find will lead to lower prices in the short term, promoting more emissions and more warming."
Moreover, focusing exclusively on squeezing out a little more supply will only discourage conservation, Mr. Verleger added, setting the stage for higher prices again in three or four years - "when exhausting oil reserves and burgeoning demand from China and India will drive the price of oil to well above $100 a barrel." That will put even more money in the pockets of some of the world's worst governments.
That's why America urgently needs what I call a "geo-green" strategy, which combines geopolitics with environmentalism. Geo-greenism starts with a $1-per-gallon gasoline tax, which would help close our budget gap and force the U.S. auto industry to convert more of its fleet to hybrid and ethanol technology, thereby reducing the amount of money going to Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Iran for oil. It would also reduce our dependence on China to finance our debt and the chances that we will end up in a global struggle with China for energy.
Finally, on competition policy, the Bush team and Congress cut the budget of the National Science Foundation for this fiscal year by $105 million. I could not put it better than Congressman Vern Ehlers, one of the few dissenting Republicans, who said: "This decision shows dangerous disregard for our nation's future ... at a time when other nations continue to surpass our students in math and science and consistently increase their funding of basic research. We cannot hope to fight jobs lost to international competition without a well-trained and educated work force."
In addition, at a time when China is encouraging its new companies to offer employees stock options to get Chinese innovators to stay at home and start new firms, the Bush team has been mutely going along with a change in accounting standards that will force U.S. companies to expense stock options by June 2005. This is likely to dampen the growth of our own high-tech companies and encourage U.S.-educated Indian and Chinese techies to go back home.
I am not a China basher. We need to engage China, and help accommodate its rising power with the world system, but the only way to do that is from a position of strength. But everything the Bush team is doing is ensuring that it will be from a position of weakness.
Post by madsweeney on Mar 22, 2005 12:20:47 GMT -5
So it’s a slow day at work so I sat down and figured it out. If you have a 800 mile drive to roo and get 19mpg and the average gas price goes from $2 a gallon last year to 2.75 this year you would be going through roughly 85 gallons of gas round trip. So last year you would have dropped 170 bucks on gas this year it would be 233.75 so you are going to pay about an extra 64 dollars. Now I would guess that there is not going to be many people driving in by themselves so even with just two people in the car that works out to be 32 a person. Sure this might be enough to cause people to have to tighten their belts a bit but not enough that it would affect the attendance.
I think traveling in tribes will cut down the expense for most. I know I'm going down with a group of around eight people and even though we're doing it in two vehicles four people a car should lighten the expense.
It's fun to share!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AS for packing 4 guys, coolers, & tents into a Metro.....I guess I would ask if any of those guys are extremely homophobic and go from there.
a word of advice on the car pooling and parking at roo.....last year we (the cars) were packed in like sardines once the parking backed up close to the venue......fyi in case you didnt know they park from back to front.....or at least they did last year......anyway.....we were stacked on top of our neighbors and were barely able to set mine and my buddies tents up without encroaching on other ppl.....and of course it goes without mentioning we had no space for lounging.....
so the moral of this story is that if you realize that you are being parked next to the venue and are pooling with several folks and tents then you better not pull up tight to the ppl ahead of you.....cause more than likely the ppl behind you will drive right up to your bumper due to the proding by the attendants.....
had i known what i know now, i would rather have had to walk a little way than be up in everybody's sh*t the way we were last year.....
Post by BlueIndian on May 31, 2005 13:57:11 GMT -5
Just drove down I-24 from Illinois through Kentucky. Gas at the last 2 gas stations in KY is $1.85/gal. Once you hit TN it shoots up to $1.99/gal. Just a helpful hint for all traveling from afar.
Gas in N.C. right now has dipped to $1.91 in certain places and has been under $2.00 a gallon for weeks. we have a site.. www.northcarolinagasprices.com/index.aspx where you can track this info.. I wonder if T.N. has one too?
edit: go to www.gasbuddy.com to see what gas prices are throughout your trip in each state and where to find the cheapest gas.
I think you can probably assume around a 2.00 per gallon average if you are coming down through Illinois. I'm in the Peoria area, and everything around here is between 1.85 and 2.09.
I think that it drops down at the end of KY on I-24 to $1.85 because of Fort(s) Campbell and Stuart being in the area. Was in the Marion area this weekend and prices were $1.96ish/gal.
My lawyer and I are flying in then renting a car. This is starting to sound like fear and loathing...
I hope that gas prices go down, but according to the news opec is saying prices will only go up. Go figure.
And now the senate has passed that bill allowing arctic drilling. But... you wont see the benefits (yeah, f!cking up the arctic) for at least 10 years.
last year must have been rough for you to be packin' protection this year
It looks like the prices are going down, I would assume that since the Memorial Day weekend is over they can relax and enjoy the fruits of their labor. (at least in Knoxville)
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