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Glad they finally made the announcement, but it certainly wasn't a surprise. I guess it's good to know that they seem committed to making it happen next year rather than just dying off forever. The real question is: Do i keep rolling over the 12(!) 3-day GA passes i bought for 2020? or finally cave in and get a refund? tough call.
unless you got these for some insanely low price I see no reason to hold onto them. 22 could even be an issue still.
Yeah, i kinda did. The group rate discount at pre-sale prices means they were only like $216 each. Weren't 3-day GA close to $400 after fees just before everything got cancelled? Throw in the $25 each in rollover wristband credit, plus getting presale pricing post-lineup for 2023 and 2024... I actually think i'm leaning towards rolling over again.
unless you got these for some insanely low price I see no reason to hold onto them. 22 could even be an issue still.
Yeah, i kinda did. The group rate discount at pre-sale prices means they were only like $216 each. Weren't 3-day GA close to $400 after fees just before everything got cancelled? Throw in the $25 each in rollover wristband credit, plus getting presale pricing post-lineup for 2023 and 2024... I actually think i'm leaning towards rolling over again.
Thats tough because that is a really really good price.
unless you got these for some insanely low price I see no reason to hold onto them. 22 could even be an issue still.
Yeah, i kinda did. The group rate discount at pre-sale prices means they were only like $216 each. Weren't 3-day GA close to $400 after fees just before everything got cancelled? Throw in the $25 each in rollover wristband credit, plus getting presale pricing post-lineup for 2023 and 2024... I actually think i'm leaning towards rolling over again.
I would imagine harvard told them "no way" on a fall version.
The way that the Massachusetts vaccine rollout is going, I wouldn't count on anything big happening here until next year.
Idk man I think people are way too negative about the vaccine rollout. theyve done 1,024,802 first doses in two months, with a limited supply of the shots and a couple of new vaccines about ready to roll. seems not bad
The way that the Massachusetts vaccine rollout is going, I wouldn't count on anything big happening here until next year.
Idk man I think people are way too negative about the vaccine rollout. theyve done 1,024,802 first doses in two months, with a limited supply of the shots and a couple of new vaccines about ready to roll. seems not bad
It’s going to be fine. Everyones starting to bet on the fall now. MSG just announced a show for October with no restrictions and I dont think they would do that without having assurances.
The way that the Massachusetts vaccine rollout is going, I wouldn't count on anything big happening here until next year.
Idk man I think people are way too negative about the vaccine rollout. theyve done 1,024,802 first doses in two months, with a limited supply of the shots and a couple of new vaccines about ready to roll. seems not bad
Idk man I think people are way too negative about the vaccine rollout. theyve done 1,024,802 first doses in two months, with a limited supply of the shots and a couple of new vaccines about ready to roll. seems not bad
Hahahahahahahaha you're joking right
the MA population above 18 (below 18 isnt eligible) is 4,849,033. Assume that 30% of the population declines to get the vaccine, and youre down to roughly 3.4M. Theyve given a first shot to about 1/3 of all people who will likely want one and its Feb 23. that seems pretty good?
the MA population above 18 (below 18 isnt eligible) is 4,849,033. Assume that 30% of the population declines to get the vaccine, and youre down to roughly 3.4M. Theyve given a first shot to about 1/3 of all people who will likely want one and its Feb 23. that seems pretty good?
you've gotta look at broader contexts. only 400K have received both shots, and those are almost all the easiest groups to vaccinate - old folks in care facilities, frontline and emergency services workers like myself, etc. the counties with the most POC - Suffolk, Worcester, Hampden, Bristol - all have the lowest percentage of people with their first vaccines. the whitest counties - Berkshire, Barnstable, Dukes, Nantucket, Franklin and Norfolk - have the highest percentage.
the appointment website that rolled out last week was immediately crashed to the point of uselessness, despite months of time to prep for it. beyond that, most people in the newly eligible groups - 65-74, or 2+ comorbidities - are not adept internet users, and certainly not persistent enough to continually check a shoddy website.
all this from a state that has the strongest healthcare infrastructure in the country.
the MA population above 18 (below 18 isnt eligible) is 4,849,033. Assume that 30% of the population declines to get the vaccine, and youre down to roughly 3.4M. Theyve given a first shot to about 1/3 of all people who will likely want one and its Feb 23. that seems pretty good?
you've gotta look at broader contexts. only 400K have received both shots, and those are almost all the easiest groups to vaccinate - old folks in care facilities, frontline and emergency services workers like myself, etc. the counties with the most POC - Suffolk, Worcester, Hampden, Bristol - all have the lowest percentage of people with their first vaccines. the whitest counties - Berkshire, Barnstable, Dukes, Nantucket, Franklin and Norfolk - have the highest percentage.
the appointment website that rolled out last week was immediately crashed to the point of uselessness, despite months of time to prep for it. beyond that, most people in the newly eligible groups - 65-74, or 2+ comorbidities - are not adept internet users, and certainly not persistent enough to continually check a shoddy website.
all this from a state that has the strongest healthcare infrastructure in the country.
it's been absolutely shameful.
I'll defer to you because it seems like you know much more about the specifics I would just say as an outsider your stats are some of the best of any state. Obviously who the vaccine is reaching can be a real concern
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The way that the Massachusetts vaccine rollout is going, I wouldn't count on anything big happening here until next year.
Idk man I think people are way too negative about the vaccine rollout. theyve done 1,024,802 first doses in two months, with a limited supply of the shots and a couple of new vaccines about ready to roll. seems not bad
Many people have been having extreme difficulty getting vaccination appointments. If that's difficult now, when only healthcare workers, first responders, 65+, and 16-64 with two co-morbidities are eligible, imagine what the next few phase rollouts are going to be like, as far larger groups of the population become eligible.
The state government hasn't helped, by limiting distribution by city and town boards of health. For car-free residents in some parts of the Boston area, there are far too few options available via MBTA (Believe it or not, when I checked last week, Cambridge, Somerville, and Arlington, combined, only had two CVS locations and one small family medical practice giving vaccinations.)
Sure, there will likely be concerts happening before the end of this year, but festivals require so much more lead time. In a part of the country where cold weather makes September the last viable month for an outdoor festival, no one's going to risk that much money on running a festival when a big chunk of the population hasn't yet had the opportunity to both get their second shot and wait 10-14 days after for it to provide full protection. If you're getting a two-shot vaccine, it's pretty much 45 days from your first shot until you're fully protected, so if people are still getting vaccinated in June and July, that's going to wipe out the summer for festivals.
Idk man I think people are way too negative about the vaccine rollout. theyve done 1,024,802 first doses in two months, with a limited supply of the shots and a couple of new vaccines about ready to roll. seems not bad
Many people have been having extreme difficulty getting vaccination appointments. If that's difficult now, when only healthcare workers, first responders, 65+, and 16-64 with two co-morbidities are eligible, imagine what the next few phase rollouts are going to be like, as far larger groups of the population become eligible.
The state government hasn't helped, by limiting distribution by city and town boards of health. For car-free residents in some parts of the Boston area, there are far too few options available via MBTA (Believe it or not, when I checked last week, Cambridge, Somerville, and Arlington, combined, only had two CVS locations and one small family medical practice giving vaccinations.)
Sure, there will likely be concerts happening before the end of this year, but festivals require so much more lead time. In a part of the country where cold weather makes September the last viable month for an outdoor festival, no one's going to risk that much money on running a festival when a big chunk of the population hasn't yet had the opportunity to both get their second shot and wait 10-14 days after for it to provide full protection. If you're getting a two-shot vaccine, it's pretty much 45 days from your first shot until you're fully protected, so if people are still getting vaccinated in June and July, that's going to wipe out the summer for festivals.
im not really making a comment about viability of events, etc, just of the vaccine rollout. However, it seems like your governor is moving fast (too fast IMO) to open up restaurants and venues, so events might happen sooner than you think
Many people have been having extreme difficulty getting vaccination appointments. If that's difficult now, when only healthcare workers, first responders, 65+, and 16-64 with two co-morbidities are eligible, imagine what the next few phase rollouts are going to be like, as far larger groups of the population become eligible.
The state government hasn't helped, by limiting distribution by city and town boards of health. For car-free residents in some parts of the Boston area, there are far too few options available via MBTA (Believe it or not, when I checked last week, Cambridge, Somerville, and Arlington, combined, only had two CVS locations and one small family medical practice giving vaccinations.)
Sure, there will likely be concerts happening before the end of this year, but festivals require so much more lead time. In a part of the country where cold weather makes September the last viable month for an outdoor festival, no one's going to risk that much money on running a festival when a big chunk of the population hasn't yet had the opportunity to both get their second shot and wait 10-14 days after for it to provide full protection. If you're getting a two-shot vaccine, it's pretty much 45 days from your first shot until you're fully protected, so if people are still getting vaccinated in June and July, that's going to wipe out the summer for festivals.
im not really making a comment about viability of events, etc, just of the vaccine rollout. However, it seems like your governor is moving fast (too fast IMO) to open up restaurants and venues, so events might happen sooner than you think
Not a fan of Baker at all, especially with how hes handled covid recently. Regarding venues opening though, I don't think many events will end up happening until it's truly safe. even if these places open, i have a feeling a lot of musicians won't tour even if its financially viable out of desire to keep people safe.
Many people have been having extreme difficulty getting vaccination appointments. If that's difficult now, when only healthcare workers, first responders, 65+, and 16-64 with two co-morbidities are eligible, imagine what the next few phase rollouts are going to be like, as far larger groups of the population become eligible.
The state government hasn't helped, by limiting distribution by city and town boards of health. For car-free residents in some parts of the Boston area, there are far too few options available via MBTA (Believe it or not, when I checked last week, Cambridge, Somerville, and Arlington, combined, only had two CVS locations and one small family medical practice giving vaccinations.)
Sure, there will likely be concerts happening before the end of this year, but festivals require so much more lead time. In a part of the country where cold weather makes September the last viable month for an outdoor festival, no one's going to risk that much money on running a festival when a big chunk of the population hasn't yet had the opportunity to both get their second shot and wait 10-14 days after for it to provide full protection. If you're getting a two-shot vaccine, it's pretty much 45 days from your first shot until you're fully protected, so if people are still getting vaccinated in June and July, that's going to wipe out the summer for festivals.
im not really making a comment about viability of events, etc, just of the vaccine rollout. However, it seems like your governor is moving fast (too fast IMO) to open up restaurants and venues, so events might happen sooner than you think
I don't see the big promoters doing much with indoor shows right away. A lot of people won't go to shows until they've been fully vaccinated, and despite the fine print on the ticket absolving artist, promoter, and venue of various types of liability, no one wants to stare down the business end of a lawsuit.
On a completely different note, it looks like Forecastle is the new Sasquatch. They're moving to Memorial Day Weekend in 2022, which opens up a nice synergy where artists can play Boston Calling and Forecastle on different days. Enough artists made the cross-country trip that weekend in years past, so I'd expect some overlap next year.
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no one wants to stare down the business end of a lawsuit.
Has this happened anywhere in the past 12 months? Even in instances where it's quite obvious where specific C19 or super spreader infections occurred.
No one's done a ticketed event on the scale of a major festival in North America yet. There have been big events like the annual motorcycle rally in Sturgis last year, which turned out to be a super spreader event, but that's more of an open gathering with every bar & restaurant in town participating than a fenced-in event like a music festival. There's no way to pinpoint where anyone was infected; it could have been anywhere in town. Who would you sue, when you might have been infected at any one of a dozen different establishments?
But if there was an outbreak at a music festival, it's easier to make the case that people were infected within the gates, lacking any other commonality between most of the people infected, such as hanging out in the same bar, post-event, one night.
Has this happened anywhere in the past 12 months? Even in instances where it's quite obvious where specific C19 or super spreader infections occurred.
No one's done a ticketed event on the scale of a major festival in North America yet. There have been big events like the annual motorcycle rally in Sturgis last year, which turned out to be a super spreader event, but that's more of an open gathering with every bar & restaurant in town participating than a fenced-in event like a music festival. There's no way to pinpoint where anyone was infected; it could have been anywhere in town. Who would you sue, when you might have been infected at any one of a dozen different establishments?
But if there was an outbreak at a music festival, it's easier to make the case that people were infected within the gates, lacking any other commonality between most of the people infected, such as hanging out in the same bar, post-event, one night.
Given the way that the vaccine rollout has picked up a lot of speed throughout the New England states since we discussed it a couple of months ago, and the number of Aug - Oct fests which are actually going to happen, I'm sorry that Boston Calling didn't make more of an effort to get Harvard to line-up one weekend of availability in mid-Aug through mid-Oct for the festival.
Sure, there are student athletic activities during the school year, but if 30+ North American arenas manage to comfortably juggle the NBA, NHL, WWE, LiveNation, and AEG, getting whomever schedules Ivy League teams to put the Harvard teams on the road for one particular weekend would have been a piece of cake.
