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Post by 3post1jack1 on Mar 6, 2020 12:33:06 GMT -5
Probably an impossible question to answer, but just for thought, is the impact of any of these events significant in light of total travellers coming in and out of the city for any other reason?
Taking Miami as an example, looking at the numbers in 2018 45 million passengers passed through Miami International Airport. That's an average of 123,288 people per day, and that doesn't include people coming in and out of the city via other transportation methods. Ultra has about 70,000 attendees per year.
I know people are generally in closer proximity at music festivals, but people are also in close proximity at airports, on planes, in restaurants, in ubers/taxis/public transportation, walking down the street, etc. And I know people come from all over for Ultra, but I'm sure people come from all over to go to Miami for any number of non-Ultra leisure reasons or business.
It just seems like the virus is coming to Miami, Ultra or no Ultra, or is there something I'm missing?
I could maybe kind of understand cancelling something in a non-major travel hub, like Coachella or Bonnaroo. Like maybe, maybe it could be possible to keep a virus out of Manchester, TN, but I don't see how you can keep it out of a major metropolitan area with frequent travellers coming in and out.
Probably an impossible question to answer, but just for thought, is the impact of any of these events significant in light of total travellers coming in and out of the city for any other reason?
Taking Miami as an example, looking at the numbers in 2018 45 million passengers passed through Miami International Airport. That's an average of 123,288 people per day, and that doesn't include people coming in and out of the city via other transportation methods. Ultra has about 70,000 attendees per year.
I know people are generally in closer proximity at music festivals, but people are also in close proximity at airports, on planes, in restaurants, in ubers/taxis/public transportation, walking down the street, etc. And I know people come from all over for Ultra, but I'm sure people come from all over to go to Miami for any number of non-Ultra leisure reasons or business.
It just seems like the virus is coming to Miami, Ultra or no Ultra, or is there something I'm missing?
I could maybe kind of understand cancelling something in a non-major travel hub, like Coachella or Bonnaroo. Like maybe, maybe it could be possible to keep a virus out of Manchester, TN, but I don't see how you can keep it out of a major metropolitan area with frequent travellers coming in and out.
This is exactly the part I'm having difficulty understanding the more I read about possible cancellations. If you're cancelling a festival because of the virus, you might as well just cancel all flights and shut down the airports.
Probably an impossible question to answer, but just for thought, is the impact of any of these events significant in light of total travellers coming in and out of the city for any other reason?
Taking Miami as an example, looking at the numbers in 2018 45 million passengers passed through Miami International Airport. That's an average of 123,288 people per day, and that doesn't include people coming in and out of the city via other transportation methods. Ultra has about 70,000 attendees per year.
I know people are generally in closer proximity at music festivals, but people are also in close proximity at airports, on planes, in restaurants, in ubers/taxis/public transportation, walking down the street, etc. And I know people come from all over for Ultra, but I'm sure people come from all over to go to Miami for any number of non-Ultra leisure reasons or business.
It just seems like the virus is coming to Miami, Ultra or no Ultra, or is there something I'm missing?
I could maybe kind of understand cancelling something in a non-major travel hub, like Coachella or Bonnaroo. Like maybe, maybe it could be possible to keep a virus out of Manchester, TN, but I don't see how you can keep it out of a major metropolitan area with frequent travellers coming in and out.
This is exactly the part I'm having difficulty understanding the more I read about possible cancellations. If you're cancelling a festival because of the virus, you might as well just cancel all flights and shut down the airports.
At a festival, attendees are certainly in far closer proximity to people all day long than an airport. At any given festival, we've been squashed in crowds that make a security line at an airport (the closest you'll be to people) look like nothing at all. I mean the lines for beer/food at festivals are worse than an airport security line, let alone being in a crowded tent or main stage up close. Couple that with the fact that people are going to be drinking, doing drugs, staying up late, not sleeping as much, etc it's not great. All of that is going to compromise your immune system. Many people get the "Coachella flu" post Coachella for this very reason, it's almost a joke on the old Coach boards and Reddit that everybody gets the flu once they get home. That certainly doesn't happen at an airport the same way.
Also at the moment airports are going to start to self-regulate. I know somebody who got bumped up to first class on their Hawaii flight because the plane was essentially empty. Conferences are being cancelled, airlines are cancelling flight routes and refunding, a lot of people are going to just stop traveling. Unless an event is postponed/cancelled allowing people to get ticket refunds, a lot of people will come anyways because tickets, AirBNB, airfare, etc has been booked and they don't want to lose out.
But that being said, I think people's speculation that Miami hates this event anyways, doesn't need it, has been looking to run it out of town anyway, etc is likely one of the biggest contributors to this decision.
Perception plays a massive role in this. Yes, there's the public health risk, but airports are an actual necessity for a multitude of reasons. An airport won't get blame for the disease getting transmitted. A music festival will. Nobody wants to be labeled as the festival that caused a local outbreak, whether it's true or not. That shit will stick for a long time.
Post by jorgeandthekraken on Mar 6, 2020 13:50:19 GMT -5
Also, at this point, it’s not about stopping the spread of the virus. That ship has sailed. It’s about slowing it as much as possible. Our public health care system, POS that it is, is going to be taxed, hard, by this. The goal, I think, is to mitigate that as much as possible.
Perception plays a massive role in this. Yes, there's the public health risk, but airports are an actual necessity for a multitude of reasons. An airport won't get blame for the disease getting transmitted. A music festival will. Nobody wants to be labeled as the festival that caused a local outbreak, whether it's true or not. That shit will stick for a long time.
Same argument for SXSW. No major sponsor wants to be the source of an incident and see their stock drop like a rock. Bands are gonna keep playing even if Facebook isnt there.
Glastonbury is really in one of the hardest positions despite being in June. Theyre the other big fish in the pond and they do not have a conglomerate as their bank account. The whole festival ecosystem in the uk would spiral if they had to cancel.
Ultra being cancelled is the first domino to fall, but its not enough to topple the rest. We might look back at it after nothing happened and wonder why they did what they did, especially if nobody else cancels/postones
There better be some insane netflix doc being pitched and made right at this second regarding all of these events trying to sort their shit out.
Post by The Foot Fuckin' Master on Mar 6, 2020 14:18:09 GMT -5
It's also going to depend on how what the big headliners will be doing. Because if they drop out and then people are less apt to still want to attend [XXX] festival, that will create another chain reaction.
Probably an impossible question to answer, but just for thought, is the impact of any of these events significant in light of total travellers coming in and out of the city for any other reason?
Taking Miami as an example, looking at the numbers in 2018 45 million passengers passed through Miami International Airport. That's an average of 123,288 people per day, and that doesn't include people coming in and out of the city via other transportation methods. Ultra has about 70,000 attendees per year.
I know people are generally in closer proximity at music festivals, but people are also in close proximity at airports, on planes, in restaurants, in ubers/taxis/public transportation, walking down the street, etc. And I know people come from all over for Ultra, but I'm sure people come from all over to go to Miami for any number of non-Ultra leisure reasons or business.
It just seems like the virus is coming to Miami, Ultra or no Ultra, or is there something I'm missing?
I could maybe kind of understand cancelling something in a non-major travel hub, like Coachella or Bonnaroo. Like maybe, maybe it could be possible to keep a virus out of Manchester, TN, but I don't see how you can keep it out of a major metropolitan area with frequent travellers coming in and out.
This is exactly the part I'm having difficulty understanding the more I read about possible cancellations. If you're cancelling a festival because of the virus, you might as well just cancel all flights and shut down the airports.
Turns out my coworker who is going to Miami that weekend wasn't actually going to Ultra, she and her crew are just going down for the whole Miami Music Week festivities. Apparently there's a whole mess of other parties, shows, etc. surrounding Ultra that you can do instead of/in conjunction with the fest. So, Ultra being cancelled isn't going to stop a good chunk of these people from infiltrating Miami anyway. So yeah, prime example that shutting down the festival isn't going to stop people from traveling into your city.
Not sure how much this would help but it might be beneficial for festivals to not accept cash at vendors, merch booths etc.
I'm no scientist, but I imagine it would help immensely. I wish all festivals would link CCs to wristbands like they do at Lolla for cashless/cardless pay.
Not sure how much this would help but it might be beneficial for festivals to not accept cash at vendors, merch booths etc.
I'm no scientist, but I imagine it would help immensely. I wish all festivals would link CCs to wristbands like they do at Lolla for cashless/cardless pay.
They should also cancel security pat downs this year.
I'm no scientist, but I imagine it would help immensely. I wish all festivals would link CCs to wristbands like they do at Lolla for cashless/cardless pay.
They should also cancel security pat downs this year.
and everybody gets one of those wayne coyne balls.
2020 has been a shit year for me as well so far, to echo a few of you. One of my best friends had a freak stroke and passed away in January on his 39th birthday. And these viruses always make me super anxious. To have this impacting Coachella (and attending live music events in general) is messing with me pretty bad. I know I've been to Coachella so many times but this year I was really excited to be bringing a few friends for the first time. I was so excited to share with them my favorite place and now I just don't know how to feel or what to do.
