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I'm just saying man, when you're saying all the same stuff Lindsay Graham is saying, while also admitting you barely have any idea what you're talking about, you might want to interrogate that a little bit. And yes, NBC and NPR are part of the same media machine that led us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place. They're not as progressive as you seem to think they are.
Saying "what about our allies" is pro-imperialist propaganda masquerading as compassion. It's not genuine. It may be genuine for you, but it's an attempt by these people to appeal to your better nature for nefarious aims.
I don't see how Lindsey Graham echoing one or several of my criticisms makes them right-wing? Again, in the articles I linked previously, congresspeople from both parties have criticized Biden, all for the same reasons I also previously mentioned. Even someone as progressive as AOC has criticized this operation, in this case how we're handling getting our allies out, and has used her platform as a lawmaker to suggest improvements. And I never "(admitted) barely have any idea what(I'm)talking about," just that I'm not a military expert and thus my opinions on this complex topic are going to be less informed.
How did NPR and NBC lead us to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Particularly NPR. I never said they were progressive, but they are examples of left-leaning publications criticizing the withdrawal.
My compassion for our allies is genuine to me, and something I inherently feel.
I dont know if Biden's team was sharp enough to think this way (I would guess they weren't) but the only way they were going to get 100k afghans into the United States without republicans throwing a massive "they brought all these brown people into the United States" offensive, was if it looked like bringing Afghans in to the United States was owning the libs. so mission accomplished.
It is not and should not be surprising that members of the "left-leaning" media and Democratic Party are also criticizing Biden. Scratch a lot of Dems and a Republican bleeds. For the most part, there is a difference in rhetoric, not a difference in aims, especially when it comes to foreign policy and the military industrial complex. I can respect NPR as a progressive outlet to an extent, because they do broadcast Democracy Now and I think that program is genuinely anti-war. They also host BBC World News, which is part of the consent manufacturing machine that led to 88% of Americans supporting intervention in Afghanistan as of October 2001. Also, you cannot tell me that NBC, which is owned by Comcast and beholden to corporate advertisers, has a progressive ideological agenda. That's a fiction. At the time of the war's start, I believe they were owned by General Electric, which itself is part of the MIC.
The article you linked about AOC is not about her being in any way critical of the evacuation as it occurred. It is about how many refugees she thinks we should accept from Afghanistan, which is a higher number than Biden. If that's what we're criticizing Biden for, I can agree with that.
The issue with the military in general is not that they are incompetent. It's that the things they do intentionally are immoral and destructive. Leaving Afghanistan is one of the few good decisions made by the commander-in-chief in my lifetime, and we're seeing the media throw an absolute hissy fit about it because it goes against their base imperial nature.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal, listened to season 1 of Blowback on my drive down to TN. While it focuses mostly on the Iraqi war, some of the information covers Afghanistan and the Taliban and the discussion in here.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal , listened to season 1 of Blowback on my drive down to TN. While it focuses mostly on the Iraqi war, some of the information covers Afghanistan and the Taliban and the discussion in here.
It's fantastic!
Still need to finish season 2. I haven't been working where I can actually listen to podcast like normal and I like to binge history podcasts so all the info is fresh in my damaged brain.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal , listened to season 1 of Blowback on my drive down to TN. While it focuses mostly on the Iraqi war, some of the information covers Afghanistan and the Taliban and the discussion in here.
It's fantastic!
Still need to finish season 2. I haven't been working where I can actually listen to podcast like normal and I like to binge history podcasts so all the info is fresh in my damaged brain.
I dont know if Biden's team was sharp enough to think this way (I would guess they weren't) but the only way they were going to get 100k afghans into the United States without republicans throwing a massive "they brought all these brown people into the United States" offensive, was if it looked like bringing Afghans in to the United States was owning the libs. so mission accomplished.
If their plan was to prevent people on the right from complaining about refugees they definitely failed.
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Still need to finish season 2. I haven't been working where I can actually listen to podcast like normal and I like to binge history podcasts so all the info is fresh in my damaged brain.
there's a season 2???
Yep. It even had an awesome teaser trailer. First couple episodes are great. Same depth of research, etc. They add a lot of guests interviews who lived through the period.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal , listened to season 1 of Blowback on my drive down to TN. While it focuses mostly on the Iraqi war, some of the information covers Afghanistan and the Taliban and the discussion in here.
It's fantastic!
Still need to finish season 2. I haven't been working where I can actually listen to podcast like normal and I like to binge history podcasts so all the info is fresh in my damaged brain.
I had 14 hours in the car so I was able to get thru all of season 1 and a maybe 3 into season 2. I think the general concept, and it applies to Afghanistan is that while all these countries have had many issues, many of them were functioning countries and it wasn’t until we invaded, bombed, terrorized, plotted against, overthrew these countries that they went to complete shit.
I think the example from Blowback S1 that sticks in my head was the US destroying all but like 4% of the entire Iraqi country’s electrical grid with govt officials admitting it wasn’t for a strategic military purpose but to force the country into long-term reliance and indebtedness to the USA.
It is not and should not be surprising that members of the "left-leaning" media and Democratic Party are also criticizing Biden. Scratch a lot of Dems and a Republican bleeds. For the most part, there is a difference in rhetoric, not a difference in aims, especially when it comes to foreign policy and the military industrial complex. I can respect NPR as a progressive outlet to an extent, because they do broadcast Democracy Now and I think that program is genuinely anti-war. They also host BBC World News, which is part of the consent manufacturing machine that led to 88% of Americans supporting intervention in Afghanistan as of October 2001. Also, you cannot tell me that NBC, which is owned by Comcast and beholden to corporate advertisers, has a progressive ideological agenda. That's a fiction. At the time of the war's start, I believe they were owned by General Electric, which itself is part of the MIC.
The article you linked about AOC is not about her being in any way critical of the evacuation as it occurred. It is about how many refugees she thinks we should accept from Afghanistan, which is a higher number than Biden. If that's what we're criticizing Biden for, I can agree with that.
The issue with the military in general is not that they are incompetent. It's that the things they do intentionally are immoral and destructive. Leaving Afghanistan is one of the few good decisions made by the commander-in-chief in my lifetime, and we're seeing the media throw an absolute hissy fit about it because it goes against their base imperial nature.
The sheer fact plenty of Democrats in Congress and left-leaning publications, not to mention subject matter experts such as Peter Bergen, are criticizing Biden and the operation is proof this isn't just right-wing talking points. That's a false equivalency.
Again, just because NPR hosts BBC doesn't mean they support the military industrial complex. It's not that black and white. The same can be said for NBC (which I never said had a progressive agenda). Comcast owns Universal Studios, which distributed Schindler's List, one of the most notable anti-war films in history. This illustrates another example that this isn't all black and white. Reporters at NPR, NBC, etc. report on what's happening. If that includes reporting on an objective news story such as congresspeople across the aisle criticizing Biden and this operation, that doesn't mean they "are mad is because they want us to have a presence in Afghanistan forever." Is that true for some media organizations? I don't doubt it. But it's not blanket argument that can cover literally all media criticism of Biden and the operation, especially the claim that "it goes against their base imperial nature."
Good point on AOC; she didn't directly criticize Biden or the operation. Her support of the number of refugees helps address one of my criticisms of Biden and the operation: "Not ensuring a safe, efficient process for our withdrawing our allies, who stand a lot to lose once we leave and the Taliban fully takes control," as evidenced by previously linked articles describing the lag in approvals spanning months.
I never once argued or said we should stay in Afghanistan. It's not the WHY or WHAT I'm criticizing, it's the HOW.
Yep. It even had an awesome teaser trailer. First couple episodes are great. Same depth of research, etc. They add a lot of guests interviews who lived through the period.
So I'm up to date on this and FUCK this season is bangin
Scotus Ruled. Read on. Even Roberts know this is bullshit and the conservatives are being secret little shits. All 4 wrote dissents.
The fact this is only enforceable by lawsuits is both hilarious and disturbing. If you’re a poor woman sued by a Karen, you may be looking at fines of up to $10k. Disgusting.
Scotus Ruled. Read on. Even Roberts know this is bullshit and the conservatives are being secret little shits. All 4 wrote dissents.
The fact this is only enforceable by lawsuits is both hilarious and disturbing. If you’re a poor woman sued by a Karen, you may be looking at fines of up to $10k. Disgusting.
technically, I believe the law doesn't allow people to sue the person getting the abortion, only the ones performing or aiding in it - the example I saw was that if you're an Uber driver and you take a woman to a clinic where she receives an abortion in violation of the law, you could get hit. I think that's one of the ways they're attemting to circumvent Roe v. Wade.
Regardless, people describing this as a "punt" by SCOTUS or putting some heart in Roberts joining the dissent are completely off base. They're essentially passing based on some nonsense procedural issues, which is leading some to believe that if a substantive challenge is actually raised, that they might act. It won't happen - this is how SCOTUS does things when it wants you to forget about it. It's like how they essentially invalidated the voting rights act, but did so by explaining that it was just one small part of that act - except that it happened to be the small part of the act that was responsible for enforcing it.
Long story short, this is the way things are going to go now unless the Democrats find their backbone and abolish the filibuster, codify Roe v. Wade, and expand the court. Which is another way of saying, this is the way things are going to go now.
The fact this is only enforceable by lawsuits is both hilarious and disturbing. If you’re a poor woman sued by a Karen, you may be looking at fines of up to $10k. Disgusting.
technically, I believe the law doesn't allow people to sue the person getting the abortion, only the ones performing or aiding in it - the example I saw was that if you're an Uber driver and you take a woman to a clinic where she receives an abortion in violation of the law, you could get hit. I think that's one of the ways they're attemting to circumvent Roe v. Wade.
Regardless, people describing this as a "punt" by SCOTUS or putting some heart in Roberts joining the dissent are completely off base. They're essentially passing based on some nonsense procedural issues, which is leading some to believe that if a substantive challenge is actually raised, that they might act. It won't happen - this is how SCOTUS does things when it wants you to forget about it. It's like how they essentially invalidated the voting rights act, but did so by explaining that it was just one small part of that act - except that it happened to be the small part of the act that was responsible for enforcing it.
Long story short, this is the way things are going to go now unless the Democrats find their backbone and abolish the filibuster, codify Roe v. Wade, and expand the court. Which is another way of saying, this is the way things are going to go now.
This is the way things are going to go, and the country will get more and more fractioned state by state for how they are ruled. The state and local politics have to be a huge consideration for anyone moving right now.
technically, I believe the law doesn't allow people to sue the person getting the abortion, only the ones performing or aiding in it - the example I saw was that if you're an Uber driver and you take a woman to a clinic where she receives an abortion in violation of the law, you could get hit. I think that's one of the ways they're attemting to circumvent Roe v. Wade.
Regardless, people describing this as a "punt" by SCOTUS or putting some heart in Roberts joining the dissent are completely off base. They're essentially passing based on some nonsense procedural issues, which is leading some to believe that if a substantive challenge is actually raised, that they might act. It won't happen - this is how SCOTUS does things when it wants you to forget about it. It's like how they essentially invalidated the voting rights act, but did so by explaining that it was just one small part of that act - except that it happened to be the small part of the act that was responsible for enforcing it.
Long story short, this is the way things are going to go now unless the Democrats find their backbone and abolish the filibuster, codify Roe v. Wade, and expand the court. Which is another way of saying, this is the way things are going to go now.
This is the way things are going to go, and the country will get more and more fractioned state by state for how they are ruled. The state and local politics have to be a huge consideration for anyone moving right now.
I love Florida, especially the Tampa Bay area, but this is a BIG reason why we will likely move at some point. We're dealing with existential climate crises: toxic retention ponds, sewage dumping into our bay that causes terrible red tide, loss of seagrass caused by excessive fertilizer killing our manatees and other wildlife, etc. Yet our governor is more concerned with virtue signaling via unconstitutional bills and orders (struck down in court paid by taxpayer money), notably his obsession with school districts mandating masks.