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Post by potentpotables on Apr 8, 2020 14:40:15 GMT -5
I think those of you who don't want to tell people how to vote are right. I'll be unfortunately voting for Biden (but will vote Bernie in the primary on June 2).
We need to take back the US Senate, and keep the US House, and turn over a bunch of state legislatures. Whether that happens through the Democratic Party or something else, I don't really care - we need these corrupt Republican strongmen to be voted out of office.
Thanks to Bernie, at least four women were elected to the US House in 2018 who identify as democratic socialists, and countless other house members were elected who were significantly further left than their predecessor. That's the only way this changes without violence.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 8, 2020 14:46:16 GMT -5
Trump needs to go but McConnell REALLY needs to go. If Trump didn't have Mitch protecting his ass in so many ways and Democrats could somehow get the majority we'd (hopefully) be seeing way more oversight and people being held accountable. I'm just so cynical about our politics for the rest of my life. The way that Trump supporters are seemingly unwilling to turn on him and so many on the left are constantly fighting between leftists and centrists I sadly could see a fucking Trump dynasty happening.
It seems insane to imagine but everything that has happened since Trump announced he was running has become increasingly more insane as we go on. I never thought we could get to this point and it feels like there is no bottom to where this is going.
Anyway, if Biden loses, it won't be because he couldn't get 10-15% of radical bernie fans, it'll be because people who suffer under the status quo aren't gonna be motivated to stand in line for 3 hours or take time off from the job that's putting food on the table
That includes latinos who remember the Obama administrations immigration (deportation) policy and can't be bothered to vote for more of the same
That includes the people who still rack up life-changing medical bills under the ACA
That includes a big chunk of the working class who never votes because nobody ever gives them something to vote for
Guess who's gonna get 100% of the blame tho?
Lol you're so dramatic. No one gets 100% of the blame. Even in 2016 people blamed Bernie-or-busters, Bernie himself, people who stayed home, Hillary, Hillary supporters, Trump, Trump supporters, the DNC, the political elite, the far left, the far right, reddit, 4chan, Black voters, white voters, rural America, the uneducated, the 1%... Everyone blames everyone, and everyone's usually right, to various degrees. So yea it'll be those groups you mentioned, and the Bernie-or-busters, and a bunch more people.
Mostly I'll blame Trump supporters, because they're the ones actually voting for him.
The people who will blame the left include the ones that hold all the power and make all the decisions. This happens to be a problem
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Yes he is. Warren supporters broke at best 50-50 between Biden and Sanders after she dropped out. Blaming her for the failures of the Sanders is beyond shameful.
Gee, I wonder if that was why she didn't endorse Bernie? I wonder if that was why she stopped talking about Medicare for All? Why her supposed progressive policies and painting herself as Bernie-but-lady all amounted to shit? Why she let all that sexism bullshit poison the water?
She was only in the race to dampen Bernie's movement. Wake up. SFA and I were telling you this shit almost a year ago.
"Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!" the president tweeted Wednesday morning.
...Now we have this to look forward to
Sorry yall, he's not wrong.
I disagree with this. The Warren people seemed to me to be more culturally interested with Liz than policy wise into her. A lot of the 2016 Hillary people went to Liz. They were never going to support Bernie even if Liz endorsed and campaigned hard. If you are voting for a president because they are the smartest that doesnt really say too much about how they really care about M4A
I think those of you who don't want to tell people how to vote are right.
Asking this in good faith: what's the difference between telling people how to vote and campaigning for (or against) someone?
Campaigning, at least the stuff that I've done like door knocking and texting, is more about turnout than persuasion. Identifying the voters who support you and making sure they get out to vote. My involvement has usually been through the AFL-CIO or a (larger) local union like AFSCME or SEIU.
I disagree with this. The Warren people seemed to me to be more culturally interested with Liz than policy wise into her. A lot of the 2016 Hillary people went to Liz. They were never going to support Bernie even if Liz endorsed and campaigned hard. If you are voting for a president because they are the smartest that doesnt really say too much about how they really care about M4A
I agree with this somewhat, sure. The only Liz voters I knew were probably more into Pete than Bernie. Those two candidates appealed to their vanity, as best I could tell. I still think she poisoned the well and Bernie would have done better on Super Tuesday had she dropped out, especially if she endorsed.
But she was never going to endorse. The fact that that's even discussed, including by me, represents a misunderstanding of what her role is in the Party and what the role of the Party is with regards to the Left.
Asking this in good faith: what's the difference between telling people how to vote and campaigning for (or against) someone?
Campaigning, at least the stuff that I've done like door knocking and texting, is more about turnout than persuasion. Identifying the voters who support you and making sure they get out to vote. My involvement has usually been through the AFL-CIO or a (larger) local union like AFSCME or SEIU.
Absolutely. The little bit of canvassing I did, it was way more about just reminding people that the primary was coming up or that day. People on this thread keep up with that stuff, but it's kind of shocking when you're so invested how many don't.
Let's be real here. Biden's basically just a placeholder because of the dementia.
VP pick is gonna be way more important than it normally would be. They'll probably be largely the one running shit, not Uncle Creepy.
100% this. Given how rapid his cognitive decline has been i'd say he has a year at best actually in office if he wins. I was pissed initially and not going to vote but I've been thinking about what you said as well. I don't expect it to be an excellent pick, but they can't be much worse than him or trump.
I disagree with this. The Warren people seemed to me to be more culturally interested with Liz than policy wise into her. A lot of the 2016 Hillary people went to Liz. They were never going to support Bernie even if Liz endorsed and campaigned hard. If you are voting for a president because they are the smartest that doesnt really say too much about how they really care about M4A
I agree with this somewhat, sure. The only Liz voters I knew were probably more into Pete than Bernie. Those two candidates appealed to their vanity, as best I could tell. I still think she poisoned the well and Bernie would have done better on Super Tuesday had she dropped out, especially if she endorsed.
But she was never going to endorse. The fact that that's even discussed, including by me, represents a misunderstanding of what her role is in the Party and what the role of the Party is with regards to the Left.
I think this is hard to say. Warren is disliked more by the Democratic Establishment politicians themselves than Bernie a lot of the time, because she does rock the boat quite a bit. The difference for this race is that she hired people who by and large only knew how to run the Hillary playbook, and you saw that via things that the media just happened to get sourced or get their hands on. Do think that she legitimately is a left person, even if her version of left stuff isnt necessarily where I fall
Levity - but we have a disproportionate number of black Americans dying from the Coronavirus. What’s more important for a leader to address?
Earlier today the president told us we must forget about the virus after the country opens up again. What a shitty play and by a New Yorker of all people. Forget the failures. I didn’t say what I said. It’s a political hoax. Forget learning from your mistakes or documenting failures so that you don’t make the mistake again. No no. Forget about it.
About 2,000 Americans died today. Tomorrow, we will probably cross 17,000 deaths. Innocent blood sacrificed for incompetence and political power. I won’t forget.
So I came out of my blanket fort on the sofa because my rat bastard employer refuses to pay me unless I show up for work. Then I get hit with Sanders dropping out. We knew it was going to happen. But it was still a swift punch in the gut. The only one that wanted to guarantee healthcare for all. Then I read this heartbreaking story.
Dying and with their literal last breath they ask how are their loved ones going to pay? Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!
I will vote for Biden, only because I hate the other son of a bitch more. But I understand why others won’t. All I can hope for is that his VP choice is a good one and will take over soon.
This is how they are going to "push" to re-open the "economy". By not testing a single fucking person. They will claim it's all fixed and people will continue to die weeks from now.
This is how they are going to "push" to re-open the "economy". By not testing a single fucking person. They will claim it's all fixed and people will continue to die weeks from now.
They also have no desire to spend the money on people's well being, when it could go to cronies and corporate bailouts.
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Apr 9, 2020 9:47:46 GMT -5
I'm gonna hold my nose and vote for Biden in the general, but I'm certainly not going to ask anyone else to do so (especially if they've been a victim of any sexual trauma). The fact that I imagine almost everyone under 45 has no desire to actively campaign for Biden is probably a pretty bad sign for his campaign! Almost like that's a red flag that should've maybe been touched on a little more by media outlets during the blitz of free advertising they gave him...
If your state hasn't gone yet (mine and 21 others, which, wtf), you can 100% still vote for Sanders and I'd encourage you to do so to show your dissatisfaction with the choice. It also allows Sanders and allies to carve out a bigger part of the platform at the convention