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If an act or artist played at least two live public shows they are eligible.
Eminem & Rihanna have toured together, performing both solo and together during their sets. The question is, are they an act or is this an example of two solo artists performing together?
You have been given the opportunity to curate the initial lineup for a festival in competition with twenty-four others. Any artist can be selected regardless of mortality or activity. If an act or artist played at least two live public shows they are eligible. The top fifty artists on each lineup will be locked into non-compete clauses preventing them from being on any of these other festival lineups. When the top fifty is complete, you can add up to an additional fifty undrafted free agents (UDFA) to your lineup. These may overlap with other lineups but cannot include drafted acts/artists unless those acts/artists were drafted by you. Winners will be decided by poll in elimination rounds of twenty-five, fifteen, eight, four and two.
You have been given the opportunity to curate the initial lineup for a festival in competition with twenty-four others. Any artist can be selected regardless of mortality or activity. If an act or artist played at least two live public shows they are eligible. The top fifty artists on each lineup will be locked into non-compete clauses preventing them from being on any of these other festival lineups. When the top fifty is complete, you can add up to an additional fifty undrafted free agents (UDFA) to your lineup. These may overlap with other lineups but cannot include drafted acts/artists unless those acts/artists were drafted by you. Winners will be decided by poll in elimination rounds of twenty-five, fifteen, eight, four and two.
They're not an act or an artist. That's the argument.
You have been given the opportunity to curate the initial lineup for a festival in competition with twenty-four others. Any artist can be selected regardless of mortality or activity. If an act or artist played at least two live public shows they are eligible. The top fifty artists on each lineup will be locked into non-compete clauses preventing them from being on any of these other festival lineups. When the top fifty is complete, you can add up to an additional fifty undrafted free agents (UDFA) to your lineup. These may overlap with other lineups but cannot include drafted acts/artists unless those acts/artists were drafted by you. Winners will be decided by poll in elimination rounds of twenty-five, fifteen, eight, four and two.
Right. The question is whether they are an act or two solo artists touring together. This was what I clarified in the first poll but you felt that it was too biased.
Post by TRANTER INDUSTRIES on Jun 30, 2018 11:27:34 GMT -5
I’m going with the stance that the two artists sets were intertwined, continuous, and they performed together during them. Therefore, I’m voting that they are one act.
I’m going with the stance that the two artists sets were intertwined, continuous, and they performed together during them. Therefore, I’m voting that they are one act.
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This reminds me of last draft when people said I didn't have exclusive rights to Lucius and their argument was essentially "well, I didn't know they were in Roger Waters band, so it doesn't count".
I don't think you would say Jay-Z & Eminem are a joint act even though they toured together and performed together during said tour
Or that Drake & Lil Wayne are a joint act because of that weird-ass tour they did
But what's the difference between those and Jay/Bey? And don't say marriage.
I think if this draft had taken place at the time that those things were touring, they would be considered slam dunks. And this is supposed to be an "infinity" draft, so yeah, I think it should have been fine.
I don't think you would say Jay-Z & Eminem are a joint act even though they toured together and performed together during said tour
Or that Drake & Lil Wayne are a joint act because of that weird-ass tour they did
But what's the difference between those and Jay/Bey? And don't say marriage.
I think if this draft had taken place at the time that those things were touring, they would be considered slam dunks. And this is supposed to be an "infinity" draft, so yeah, I think it should have been fine.
Like 10 collaborative songs before that tour took place? And another 10-12 since?
But what's the difference between those and Jay/Bey? And don't say marriage.
I think if this draft had taken place at the time that those things were touring, they would be considered slam dunks. And this is supposed to be an "infinity" draft, so yeah, I think it should have been fine.
Like 10 collaborative songs before that tour took place? And another 10-12 since?
Eminem and Rihanna have a lot of songs together, to the point where they did a joint tour, so I'm failing to see your point. Maybe not twenty, but they literally did a co-headlining tour. There are setlists to prove it.
People are picking shit that performed together twice. Twice is the standard. They did more than that. Someone should be able to draft that performance, because we all know exactly what it was, can evaluate that on its own merit, and, again, it happened more than once, which is all the rules require.
They have 4 or 5 tracks together. They played three venues. That doesn't really pass the eye test.
But if y'all wanna set up some arbitrary minimum threshold for your game, why are you even asking us to weigh in
Arbitrary or not, they're the rules we established. I'm legitimately sorry we considered your input, if you are disinterested in what the actual rules we are playing by are.
Like 10 collaborative songs before that tour took place? And another 10-12 since?
Eminem and Rihanna have a lot of songs together, to the point where they did a joint tour, so I'm failing to see your point. Maybe not twenty, but they literally did a co-headlining tour. There are setlists to prove it.
People are picking shit that performed together twice. Twice is the standard. They did more than that. Someone should be able to draft that performance, because we all know exactly what it was, can evaluate that on its own merit, and, again, it happened more than once, which is all the rules require.
This is what was drafted. We're theoretically raising people from the dead to play our festivals and yalls issue is that they aren't a joint act when they actually were at one point (three points?).
This is what was drafted. We're theoretically raising people from the dead to play our festivals and yalls issue is that they aren't a joint act when they actually were at one point (three points?).
Are they really a joint act when there are 50 songs on the setlist and they do less than ten songs together?
This is what was drafted. We're theoretically raising people from the dead to play our festivals and yalls issue is that they aren't a joint act when they actually were at one point (three points?).
Are they really a joint act when there are 50 songs on the setlist and they do less than ten songs together?
Apparently. People bought tickets to see them perform together.
Are they really a joint act when there are 50 songs on the setlist and they do less than ten songs together?
Apparently. People bought tickets to see them perform together.
I mean if that's how you feel. I don't really care, I'm not even in the draft. But I still don't think you can compare Eminem & Rhianna to Jay Z & Beyonce (for reasons I already stated).
There really is no comparison to The Carters here tho. Bey & Jay have been consistently collaborating for 15 years or more, have done two tours together and released a joint album.
Rihanna and Eminem have done, what? 4 songs together and did 6 shows in 3 cities together? Def not the same thing.
I get why the rules dictate that they’re an act, but 1) 2 shows is too few to establish two artists as a single draftable entity. 2) using Jay Z & Beyoncé as your comparison is a losing battle here.
If anything Watch the Throne is a better comparison, but even then not really bc they actually released an album together and toured as The Throne and performed together through the set.
Apparently. People bought tickets to see them perform together.
I mean if that's how you feel. I don't really care, I'm not even in the draft. But I still don't think you can compare Eminem & Rhianna to Jay Z & Beyonce (for reasons I already stated).
I understand that one is more believable as a joint act than the other, in large part because they are married and one helped launch the others' solo career in a profound way (really, a symbiotic relationship). They have more songs together, and of course they do. Maybe I was being disingenuous before.
However, I think that people had problems with Jay/Bey as a single setlist, and those were invalid, and similar arguments are being used against this pairing, and that this pairing meets the standard set in the draft's rules the same way that Jay/Bey does.
And if you don't care as much as you say you don't, I guess I do care, and I think others that are drafting might, too. So, please take it more seriously and abstain, or maybe care what I have to say?
There really is no comparison to The Carters here tho. Bey & Jay have been consistently collaborating for 15 years or more, have done two tours together and released a joint album.
Rihanna and Eminem have done, what? 4 songs together and did 6 shows in 3 cities together? Def not the same thing.
I get why the rules dictate that they’re an act, but 1) 2 shows is too few to establish two artists as a single draftable entity. 2) using Jay Z & Beyoncé as your comparison is a losing battle here.
If anything Watch the Throne is a better comparison, but even then not really bc they actually released an album together and toured as The Throne and performed together through the set.
There really is no comparison to The Carters here tho. Bey & Jay have been consistently collaborating for 15 years or more, have done two tours together and released a joint album.
Rihanna and Eminem have done, what? 4 songs together and did 6 shows in 3 cities together? Def not the same thing.
I get why the rules dictate that they’re an act, but 1) 2 shows is too few to establish two artists as a single draftable entity. 2) using Jay Z & Beyoncé as your comparison is a losing battle here.
If anything Watch the Throne is a better comparison, but even then not really bc they actually released an album together and toured as The Throne and performed together through the set.
You're openly litigating from the bench.
I don’t even know what you mean by that....? Bc I’m not playing I’m not allowed to give an opinion?
Also, I’m just commenting on your comparison to Jay Z & Beyoncé. They’re not considered an act bc they’re married. You need to let go of that rationale. It’s bc they’ve done two tours together, released an album, and have been putting out songs together for well over a decade. It’s just not a good comparison for your argument.
I don’t even know what you mean by that....? Bc I’m not playing I’m not allowed to give an opinion?
Litigating from the bench refers to a judge deciding upon a verdict without caring what the law says, based solely on their own personal politics or opinion.
I mean if that's how you feel. I don't really care, I'm not even in the draft. But I still don't think you can compare Eminem & Rhianna to Jay Z & Beyonce (for reasons I already stated).
And if you don't care as much as you say you don't, I guess I do care, and I think others that are drafting might, too. So, please take it more seriously and abstain, or maybe care what I have to say?
I think you're taking this a bit too personally. I literally just provided my arguments of why I don't think Eminem and Rhianna are a joint act. If you still think they are then cool, I don't care. Because I'm not in the draft I have nothing to gain or lose from this. I'm just giving my input. Also it's a make believe music festival you're putting together with a bunch of music nerds on the internet. There's literally nothing serious about this.
