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I don't think I can handle the level of cringe associated with that woman doing a version of the video.
I do think that the people shrieking about how sacred This is America is can calm down. It's a meaningful video and a thought-provoking piece of media, but the showy wokedness of "you're missing the point if you meme this! The point is entertainment is a distraction!" is pretty basic to me. Like, if that's the case, Glover should probably stop making Star Wars movies and being a performer in general. He should just do TED talks about gun violence.
Also, I think the Call Me Maybe video tells us something in its own way. It demonstrates how basic pop music is and that even across genres songs have similar or almost-exactly the same structures. It reminds me that I probably shouldn't hold a Childish Gambino video sacred.
Also, I think the Call Me Maybe video tells us something in its own way. It demonstrates how basic pop music is and that even across genres songs have similar or almost-exactly the same structures. It reminds me that I probably shouldn't hold a Childish Gambino video sacred.
I think you might enjoy this comment that I saw on reddit. I don't know all the musical theory terms but it seemed pretty interesting:
~120 bpm, 4/4 with four bar phrases
Choruses are four bar antecedent and four bar consequent.
Both songs feature strong emphasis on agogic accents.
Songs diverge in that the Glover song used a lot more syncopation and triplet rhythm on choruses (popular in rap ATM) while the choral verses use a mixed meter feel that's popular in High Life and early African American/Carribean music, passed down from more complex African rhythms.
Carly uses more of a pop music call and response with vocal/melodic emphasis on the down beat, backing track doing some call and response, while Glover is using syncopation off the down beat (again, popular in current rap).
All of this to say, the Carly music is about as "white" as possible — from the production, to the instrumentation, to the rhythms, to the feel, to the melody. The Glover track is pulling on three if not four African/African-American styles of music (I think intentionally as part of the message of the song), some of which contributed to the development of rock/pop-rock, and others which were direct responses (arguably to the appropriation of blues and jazz).
It's interesting that music is so cyclical and intertwined
Edit: this is an example of High Life. I mentioned all this only because I think Glover's song is produced with African music intertwined as part of its larger message. I only see people talking about the visual symbolism, so I thought I'd expound.
Slaves brought African music to America. Blues was born and begat rock. Rock then influenced music in Africa. Now that African music is informing rap (another African American art). I only mentioned this because this song and music video (imo) are about the black experience in America. You could argue that white adaptations of rock into mass produced pop (like Carly) are an aspect of that experience.
The history, culture, and experiences that underly why these songs work like this are a reflection of what Glover is trying to talk about.
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I don't think I can handle the level of cringe associated with that woman doing a version of the video.
I do think that the people shrieking about how sacred This is America is can calm down. It's a meaningful video and a thought-provoking piece of media, but the showy wokedness of "you're missing the point if you meme this! The point is entertainment is a distraction!" is pretty basic to me. Like, if that's the case, Glover should probably stop making Star Wars movies and being a performer in general. He should just do TED talks about gun violence.
Also, I think the Call Me Maybe video tells us something in its own way. It demonstrates how basic pop music is and that even across genres songs have similar or almost-exactly the same structures. It reminds me that I probably shouldn't hold a Childish Gambino video sacred.
Being generally devoid of social media, I tend to miss these things. I do believe one can like anything to whatever level please but it becomes a problem when that person uses it as a gauge against or incomparison to someone else in a derogatory way...fanship, "wokeness," love of music, ego, ect. The art is created to make a point and to express, not for you to use as a weapon due to your own insecurity or arrogance.
Also, I think the Call Me Maybe video tells us something in its own way. It demonstrates how basic pop music is and that even across genres songs have similar or almost-exactly the same structures. It reminds me that I probably shouldn't hold a Childish Gambino video sacred.
I think you might enjoy this comment that I saw on reddit. I don't know all the musical theory terms but it seemed pretty interesting:
~120 bpm, 4/4 with four bar phrases
Choruses are four bar antecedent and four bar consequent.
Both songs feature strong emphasis on agogic accents.
Songs diverge in that the Glover song used a lot more syncopation and triplet rhythm on choruses (popular in rap ATM) while the choral verses use a mixed meter feel that's popular in High Life and early African American/Carribean music, passed down from more complex African rhythms.
Carly uses more of a pop music call and response with vocal/melodic emphasis on the down beat, backing track doing some call and response, while Glover is using syncopation off the down beat (again, popular in current rap).
All of this to say, the Carly music is about as "white" as possible — from the production, to the instrumentation, to the rhythms, to the feel, to the melody. The Glover track is pulling on three if not four African/African-American styles of music (I think intentionally as part of the message of the song), some of which contributed to the development of rock/pop-rock, and others which were direct responses (arguably to the appropriation of blues and jazz).
It's interesting that music is so cyclical and intertwined
Edit: this is an example of High Life. I mentioned all this only because I think Glover's song is produced with African music intertwined as part of its larger message. I only see people talking about the visual symbolism, so I thought I'd expound.
Slaves brought African music to America. Blues was born and begat rock. Rock then influenced music in Africa. Now that African music is informing rap (another African American art). I only mentioned this because this song and music video (imo) are about the black experience in America. You could argue that white adaptations of rock into mass produced pop (like Carly) are an aspect of that experience.
The history, culture, and experiences that underly why these songs work like this are a reflection of what Glover is trying to talk about.
This is great. Not that I am in any way fluent, but I would love more discussion like this on inforoo. Maybe Im missing a specific thread?
I thought the Nicole Arbour video was a little cringe-worthy, but it included a lot of the expected and important issues facing women. I guess knock her for the delivery, but not the message?
I thought the Nicole Arbour video was a little cringe-worthy, but it included a lot of the expected and important issues facing women. I guess knock her for the delivery, but not the message?
I rarely watch "reaction videos" but that definitely came up between people criticizing her. She isn't wrong in the message but it literally was the worst possible timing and delivery.
Also, someone had great point regarding the context of her Edit regarding how woman are "told to be perfect, how society pressures them" meanwhile, hypocritcally, she is best known for an entire video shaming "fat people" called "Dear Fat People."
Post by 10goldbees on May 23, 2018 10:35:49 GMT -5
Just want to flag for y'all that fans of Donald Glover have taken over the Donald Trump subreddit. No idea what the backstory is here but it's pretty entertaining www.reddit.com/r/thedonald/
Just want to flag for y'all that fans of Donald Glover have taken over the Donald Trump subreddit. No idea what the backstory is here but it's pretty entertaining www.reddit.com/r/thedonald/
That sub has 20k whom I assume aren't very active for now. ON THE OHER HAND, I believe it had 16k yesterday when LP mentioned this somewhere else. So it gained 4k active users in a day. The_Donald currently has 600k subscribers. By the end of the year, there could be enough users to take over the_donald and that would be so nice. Is this math accurate? I really don't know or care. Let's. Make It. Happen.
I'm at work so I can't really get a good, full listen but there similarities. This always has me question, though, at this point in time with amount of music being created, will there not be music that is highly similar but not plagerized? Or as mentioned above, perhaps he is influenced by it?
I'm at work so I can't really get a good, full listen but there similarities. This always has me question, though, at this point in time with amount of music being created, will there not be music that is highly similar but not plagerized? Or as mentioned above, perhaps he is influenced by it?
I have not listed to it either, but given the recent Blurred Lines plagiarism lawsuit verdict, musicians will be in hotter water than in the past.